I'm currently driving a Nissan Xtrail 2013 & considering something with next level 4WD ability. Mostly sand.
Was considering a Landy but my boss was a wealth of information when I brought it up this week and has me swaying towards Patrol.
Seems like a Ford vs Holden kinda thing and was a good convo, what do you guys reckon?
Chasing a Landy or Patrol with a budget of about 15k - 25k ????
Petrol vs Deisel?
Some motor over another motor? (boss was talking about hand grenades with some motors lol)
Don't need heaps of seating, just extra space for boards, not excessive fuel costs.
Enough room in the back for someone 6'2 to sleep would be a bonus.
I'm hoping to do a lot more OZ surftrips this year and need a new car.
Would appreciate your thought's. Cheers 
Anything with a 1hdfte motor in it May be high km though at 25k.Be wary of after market turbos on 1hzs.
Don't be to worried about 300k plus if serviced regularly and i mean 5000km oil changes.
If you have to go patrol stick with the 4.2 turbo diesel the 3.0 is poo.
Land cruiser all the way, however you may get more patrol for your buck, slightly newer lower kms etc
I may get laughed away here but 25k would get a pretty slick hilux ?
I had a Isuzu dmax and surprisingly was extremely capable which also had no problems for five years.
Anyway landcruiser 100%
( I have owned hilux, ran a corolla as a work car, currently have a Toyota )
why buy Toyota?
reliable
good resale
cheap maintenence in comparison/common parts.
durable
built for Australian conditions
dont overheat and cook motors like patrols do
Aussie tough
good television adds
Thanks guys, yeah have heard the 3L patrol motors weren't so good. But the 4.2's seem pricey. Maybe I should go the landy.
I've had a couple of Hilux's, second one for 10 years in the mid west & it was a great car for up there. But now I want something I can leave stuff in the back locked up.
Cheers
As others have said, stay away from the 3.0 litre turbo diesel Patrol. Patrol or Cruiser, you'll pay a bit more for a diesel but worth it from an economy and reliability point of view as long as it's been looked after.Cruiser will always have better resale imo, have owned a 60 series and 80 series Land Cruiser, the 60 was one of the best cars I've ever owned.
'Tis a shame the Surf isn't (yet?) available here.
Is the Dmax not a serious contender? If not, why not, date I ask?
A bit of research shows that google doesn't know if the surf is still in production, and that it may have been superceded in S. E. Asia by the Fortuner.
What about an MUX? Might be a struggle to find one under 25k but your getting a pretty bomb proof 3y/o car that'll go where you want it to and it isnt 20 years old.
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Now I want something I can leave stuff in the back locked up.
Cheers
Put a canopy or a hard lid on it and you can lock all your stuff, with a lid you have the added bonus of thieves not being able to see what's in there, out of sight out of mind as they say
Get a dual cab ranger hilux dmax whatever and whack a canopy on. Might have to drop the tail gate to sleep in the back at 6 foot 2 but you get alot more reliable car for that 25k
I've had lots of 4B's, like 10+. My favourite to drive, cheapest to maintain/own and most capable has been my current 2007 TB48 Patrol. Has consistently returned 16-17lt/100 every tank for six years and only thing I've had to replace has been an in tank fuel pump and a door lock, servicing schedule is every 20 thou. Goes like a cut snake too.
Second favourite would be my 1989 VX Cruiser import, much the same as our Sahara here. Great bus, nearly as capable as the Patrol but the 5000k service schedule tips the scales in favour of the Troll. Fuel consumption was a consistent 12l/100.
Had several IFS 4B's along the lines of Pajero, Pathfinder, Prado etc and haven't been overly impressed with any of them off road. They usually get where you want them to go but you have to thrash the **** out of them to get there and that breaks ****.
Also had a pretty bad Land Rover addiction for a while, don't ever go there. Their running gear may as well be made of cheese, great articulation though.
I just got a V6 dcab Hilux a few months a go, maybe the best car I've owned so far.
Light and good on juice, also very nice to drive, car like. 
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I just got a V6 dcab Hilux a few months a go, maybe the best car I've owned so far.
Light and good on juice, also very nice to drive, car like.
But , ahem, longer boards...?? can't fit, right?
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I just got a V6 dcab Hilux a few months a go, maybe the best car I've owned so far.
Light and good on juice, also very nice to drive, car like.
But , ahem, longer boards...?? can't fit, right?
I fit a 6,6 in it no problrm. Anything else goes on the racks. I needed a back seat. I surf a 6,o most of the time so it isnt a problem.
I think your mode of transport should all depend on where you live
If your city based and spend 99% of your time driving city streets do you really need the big 4WD
As good as it is to have it gets to be a pain in the butt.
Good points & value your input boys...had my eye on a 1993 Troopy for $11K a bloke had got working mechanically a1 for a trip round oz, but then had health issues. Would of been a good car I reckon....Smicko has me interested in Patrols again...besides that on second thoughts I think a troopy would be too high for my garage
Just picked up an 04 petrol (shock horror gasp) soccer mum car (Prado) with service history for pretty cheap. If you're willing to go petrol you can get some good bargains but do your research as some motors far outperform others. Will let you know how it goes as it's my first petrol in 10 years.
I've been talked out of going 2nd hand diesel (with exception to the 1HD-FTE motor but it was out of my price range if I wanted anything under 450000 kms) by two of my LV mechanic mates now. Modern diesel repair and maitenence costs are substationally more than petrol nowadays (and diesel fuel not even cheap anymore either) so make sure if you go diesel it has a thourough log book history and throw a secondary fuel filter and catch can on it straight away. Just google injector replacements in any aus car forum and it will give you goosebumps!
Seriously Mick go take a 4.8 Trol for a spin, there's a few really well priced ones in Perth at present and they don't come up that often. I forgot to mention last post that I put extractors in mine too, really opens them up. The only thing to avoid is one that's been on gas, cooks heads.
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Just picked up an 04 petrol (shock horror gasp) soccer mum car (Prado) with service history for pretty cheap. If you're willing to go petrol you can get some good bargains but do your research as some motors far outperform others. Will let you know how it goes as it's my first petrol in 10 years.
I've been talked out of going 2nd hand diesel (with exception to the 1HD-FTE motor but it was out of my price range if I wanted anything under 450000 kms) by two of my LV mechanic mates now. Modern diesel repair and maitenence costs are substationally more than petrol nowadays (and diesel fuel not even cheap anymore either) so make sure if you go diesel it has a thourough log book history and throw a secondary fuel filter and catch can on it straight away. Just google injector replacements in any aus car forum and it will give you goosebumps!
If it's the 4.0 V6 you can't go wrong, great motor.
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..DJMWA said..
Just picked up an 04 petrol (shock horror gasp) soccer mum car (Prado) with service history for pretty cheap. If you're willing to go petrol you can get some good bargains but do your research as some motors far outperform others. Will let you know how it goes as it's my first petrol in 10 years.
I've been talked out of going 2nd hand diesel (with exception to the 1HD-FTE motor but it was out of my price range if I wanted anything under 450000 kms) by two of my LV mechanic mates now. Modern diesel repair and maitenence costs are substationally more than petrol nowadays (and diesel fuel not even cheap anymore either) so make sure if you go diesel it has a thourough log book history and throw a secondary fuel filter and catch can on it straight away. Just google injector replacements in any aus car forum and it will give you goosebumps!
If it's the 4.0 V6 you can't go wrong, great motor.
That's the one 
the 3.4L in the 90 series seemed to be regularly doing 400k kms without breaking a sweat too if serviced regularly. There was one for sale fully kitted out for touring down Esperance way for $8k with 200k kms in mint condition a few weeks back. Bargain!
Select to expand quoteDJMWA said..DARTH said..DJMWA said..
Just picked up an 04 petrol (shock horror gasp) soccer mum car (Prado) with service history for pretty cheap. If you're willing to go petrol you can get some good bargains but do your research as some motors far outperform others. Will let you know how it goes as it's my first petrol in 10 years.
I've been talked out of going 2nd hand diesel (with exception to the 1HD-FTE motor but it was out of my price range if I wanted anything under 450000 kms) by two of my LV mechanic mates now. Modern diesel repair and maitenence costs are substationally more than petrol nowadays (and diesel fuel not even cheap anymore either) so make sure if you go diesel it has a thourough log book history and throw a secondary fuel filter and catch can on it straight away. Just google injector replacements in any aus car forum and it will give you goosebumps!
If it's the 4.0 V6 you can't go wrong, great motor.
That's the one
the 3.4L in the 90 series seemed to be regularly doing 400k kms without breaking a sweat too if serviced regularly. There was one for sale fully kitted out for touring down Esperance way for $8k with 200k kms in mint condition a few weeks back. Bargain!
Yea plenty of petrols around at the moment. Everyone wants diesels, not sure why.
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..DJMWA said..DARTH said..DJMWA said..
Just picked up an 04 petrol (shock horror gasp) soccer mum car (Prado) with service history for pretty cheap. If you're willing to go petrol you can get some good bargains but do your research as some motors far outperform others. Will let you know how it goes as it's my first petrol in 10 years.
I've been talked out of going 2nd hand diesel (with exception to the 1HD-FTE motor but it was out of my price range if I wanted anything under 450000 kms) by two of my LV mechanic mates now. Modern diesel repair and maitenence costs are substationally more than petrol nowadays (and diesel fuel not even cheap anymore either) so make sure if you go diesel it has a thourough log book history and throw a secondary fuel filter and catch can on it straight away. Just google injector replacements in any aus car forum and it will give you goosebumps!
If it's the 4.0 V6 you can't go wrong, great motor.
That's the one
the 3.4L in the 90 series seemed to be regularly doing 400k kms without breaking a sweat too if serviced regularly. There was one for sale fully kitted out for touring down Esperance way for $8k with 200k kms in mint condition a few weeks back. Bargain!
Yea plenty of petrols around at the moment. Everyone wants diesels, not sure why.
Because they cost so much more to service, at more regular intervals, and if you do a fuel pump or such you're up for thousands not just a coupla hunj. Sheesh! Why wouldn't you want a diesel?
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Seriously Mick go take a 4.8 Trol for a spin, there's a few really well priced ones in Perth at present and they don't come up that often. I forgot to mention last post that I put extractors in mine too, really opens them up. The only thing to avoid is one that's been on gas, cooks heads.
Good info m8, will consider either a 4.2 or 4.8 patrol, but in no hurry. Might source one from Vic thats spent its life in the burbs
There is a good one on a FB page 4x4 Perth or something similar
(Not mine by the way)
$9k
Knocked 2 grand off the price to make a quick sale
Owned this car for over 5 years, and its been a reliable bus all the way through. I bought it from an old couple who had it from new and used it to tow their caravan. The car drives and presents very well considering the age and kilometers. Has the odd scratch from 4x4 as they all do. No rust at all. Have just gone through the cooling system today: New radiator, new thermostat, new thermostat housing gasket, new radiator hoses and clamps, system flushed and topped up with new coolant.
Mods:
- 3" lift kit with Dobinson shocks and King springs
-Extended brake lines
- Near new Dobinson draglink and steering dampner
-Auto locking hubs
- 35" desert hawk tyres on 17" black steelies spare 35" mickey thompson
- Lightforce 'truckie' spotties
- UHF radio with long range aerial
- Double din Alpine head unit, 6X9 alpine type R splits with tweeters in front and 7X9 apline type S speakers in the back
- Darkest legal tint
- Australian made Roo roof rack with highlift jack attachment/shovel/wanderer awning with LEDs/reverse lights
- slide out draws in the rear
-Electrical brake attachment for towing big boat/caravan
Paid 17K for the car in 2014, and have put 10K into it since then.
Gear box is tight and smooth. I have the 2 rear seats, can chuck them in if wanted.
Looks tidy for its age, I like those slide out draws. They're really handy I have them in my xtrail. The cars 2001 & has done 340k km
Avoid the 4.2 and 4.5 petty patrols, both are thirstier than the 4.8 and gutless to boot. The 4.2 td is a solid unit in it's standard form but is an absolute slug, yes you can tweak them to get good horses but it'll cost you another 10k and they then tend to overheat. For me it'd be an 06 onwards Patrol TB 48 or a live axel Cruiser wagon, not a PC.
100 Series on the turbos are all independent front end. And mostly auto. Not that that's a bad thing.
Select to expand quotesmicko said..DARTH said..DJMWA said..DARTH said..DJMWA said..
Just picked up an 04 petrol (shock horror gasp) soccer mum car (Prado) with service history for pretty cheap. If you're willing to go petrol you can get some good bargains but do your research as some motors far outperform others. Will let you know how it goes as it's my first petrol in 10 years.
I've been talked out of going 2nd hand diesel (with exception to the 1HD-FTE motor but it was out of my price range if I wanted anything under 450000 kms) by two of my LV mechanic mates now. Modern diesel repair and maitenence costs are substationally more than petrol nowadays (and diesel fuel not even cheap anymore either) so make sure if you go diesel it has a thourough log book history and throw a secondary fuel filter and catch can on it straight away. Just google injector replacements in any aus car forum and it will give you goosebumps!
If it's the 4.0 V6 you can't go wrong, great motor.
That's the one
the 3.4L in the 90 series seemed to be regularly doing 400k kms without breaking a sweat too if serviced regularly. There was one for sale fully kitted out for touring down Esperance way for $8k with 200k kms in mint condition a few weeks back. Bargain!
Yea plenty of petrols around at the moment. Everyone wants diesels, not sure why.
Because they cost so much more to service, at more regular intervals, and if you do a fuel pump or such you're up for thousands not just a coupla hunj. Sheesh! Why wouldn't you want a diesel?
Price up a turbo and the hipressure fuel pump on any diesel. Ive never replaced a fuel pump in any car Ive had unless it was for performance.
Ill stick to petrols thanks, you can have the diesels.
Plus I do my own services and get filters (gen) very cheap
Also particulate filters on the later stuff can run into $$$ as well.
Select to expand quoteDARTH said..smicko said..DARTH said..DJMWA said..DARTH said..DJMWA said..
Just picked up an 04 petrol (shock horror gasp) soccer mum car (Prado) with service history for pretty cheap. If you're willing to go petrol you can get some good bargains but do your research as some motors far outperform others. Will let you know how it goes as it's my first petrol in 10 years.
I've been talked out of going 2nd hand diesel (with exception to the 1HD-FTE motor but it was out of my price range if I wanted anything under 450000 kms) by two of my LV mechanic mates now. Modern diesel repair and maitenence costs are substationally more than petrol nowadays (and diesel fuel not even cheap anymore either) so make sure if you go diesel it has a thourough log book history and throw a secondary fuel filter and catch can on it straight away. Just google injector replacements in any aus car forum and it will give you goosebumps!
If it's the 4.0 V6 you can't go wrong, great motor.
That's the one
the 3.4L in the 90 series seemed to be regularly doing 400k kms without breaking a sweat too if serviced regularly. There was one for sale fully kitted out for touring down Esperance way for $8k with 200k kms in mint condition a few weeks back. Bargain!
Yea plenty of petrols around at the moment. Everyone wants diesels, not sure why.
Because they cost so much more to service, at more regular intervals, and if you do a fuel pump or such you're up for thousands not just a coupla hunj. Sheesh! Why wouldn't you want a diesel?
Price up a turbo and the hipressure fuel pump on any diesel. Ive never replaced a fuel pump in any car Ive had unless it was for performance.
Ill stick to petrols thanks, you can have the diesels.
Plus I do my own services and get filters (gen) very cheap
Also particulate filters on the later stuff can run into $$$ as well.
I was agreeing with you ya ****en nonce, read it again.
Nothing wrong with Commin Rail Patrol engines. The ZD30 was the one that might blow up. Having said that,, the reality is most of them didn't.
The 3.0 litre is way better in the sand than all the other Patrol, and unaspirated Landcruiser, diesels (including the Patrol 4.2 turbo diesel - it's an overrated slug) just keep the revs up.
The Patrols are absolutely bulletproof apart from the ZD30.
I went to steep point recently with a mate and his petrol 80 series returned the same economy as my Patrol on the highway. Any of the petrols in Nissan or Toyota will chew more fuel around town, but you get way better pick up. Having driven pretty much all the engines mentioned in both brands, I think petrol is really underestimated.
Yeah the petrol makes sense unless you're touring. But the 1hd-fte is a very nice engine especially if you mildly mod it. The 1hd-t seems to blow a lot of smoke but not the fte. The vd seems ok too (despite some early concerns) but out of budget.
I recall reading lots of good stuff about the 100 series V8 petrol. I forget the designation. Same basic engine used in the Supra at the time. Like a lot of Toyota engines they are built conservative so you can get either a lot of life or a lot of extra power out of them. I much prefer a higher displacement low revving conservative engine to a high revving low displacement engine as many modern ones are (diesel or petrol).
Another alternative to 100 series petrol - early Lexus LX 470. Lots of commonality with Toyota, never used off road, plush interior. Be aware they might have some nice but expensive to fix features like air suspension. Built in fridge is nice.
I've heard autos go well in the sand, I think I'd probably prefer one. Most important to me is the body is straight with no rust, engine is good with service history and under 200k km I guess.
Also heard the newer ones are all gonna be petrol, I think that was the patrols. Getting a lot of info from all directions. I wouldn't mind a petrol model, like someone said diesel is not so cheap anymore.
My old man used to say petrols the least cost associated with a car. With the rego rippoff these days, I'd say he's even more right. Mines almost doubled for my car in 5 years.
