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Created by ffdisco2 > 9 months ago, 11 Jun 2011
Legion
WA, 2222 posts
3 Aug 2011 8:09AM
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CMC said...

smicko said...

Yeah and you're paying for their multiple boat trips each year by accepting their ridiculous margins on products that according to the world market should be about half the price.


Yes, they're all rolling in it.

Maybe in the West people are coming back from digging holes and spending up big. Over here stores are closing daily.

Major surf companies are forcing redundancies, people are losing jobs.

What is a major factor of lost sales? Internet purchasing from overseas. Combine that with a downturned economy and you have trouble. We have trouble.

Well, wetsuit sales obviously go directly towards things like this:

http://postsurf.com/2009/03/19/corporate-rage/

If "surf" shops are an unsustainable industry, good luck to them if they expect to be subsidised by ignorant buyers. Maybe they should hold out their hands for a government bailout like so many other industries do?

I don't have much sympathy for "surf" shops. As far as I'm concerned, they died out in the 90s when surfing became mainstream popular. Shops decided more money could be made from T-shirts and skirts, and wetsuits and popouts were icing on the cake. The days of shapers in the back room of the shop are long gone, at least over here. My local "surf" shop, that stocks quite a few popouts, wetsuits as well as racks and racks and racks of clothes, has apparently done well for many years, but they're situated in an affluent suburb and 99% of walk in customers wouldn't have ever even been on a booger, let alone a surfboard.

How do American "surf" shops survive? The ones that sell wetsuits for half the price that they are here? Do they not pay their workers? Do they not take a commission off the price? Do the wholesalers charge less? It must be sustainable over there, why not here?

bakesy
WA, 682 posts
3 Aug 2011 8:21AM
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another side to this may be where the products are manufactured and how local companies suddenly went global. My wife is in retail, the company was based in NZ and had stores only in NZ and OZ. They listed on the stock exchange two years ago, began opening stores all over the world and outsourced the manufacturing to an Asian country. Lots of surf labels did the same, and now they have closed seven of the stores, cut back staff and are looking shaky. Many other factors are linked to this but they were going gangbusters before they decided to expand and outsource, prices went up despite the ideology that cheaper manufacturing costs were on offer, profits declined, has this happened to the surf labels? Do the Americans know something we don't?

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
3 Aug 2011 11:46AM
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Mac, CMC read my post again about Corona. The same thing applies to the surf retail industry, most of the products that are sold are not high cost locally produced items. They can be sourced from outside of OZ for a fraction of what you'd pay here.

Another example,
http://factory.dhgate.com/wetsuits/surfing-wetsuit-surfing-suit-p42184438.html
A GBS 4/3mm steamer for $30-$37 US dependent upon quantities ordered. And branded as you choose.

Fark me can you imagine how much it REALLY costs to make a set of fins? Yet people keep paying stupid prices. Get a set of H-3's send them here
factory.dhgate.com/surfing/surfboard-fins-p48255885.html
and say copy these, I'll have 500 sets. This is exactly what FCS, Rip Curl etc do.

If you guys are in this trade it is up to you to change the way you're doing business to make it profitable for yourselves.

Sure carry FCS, Ripcurl etc but use your knowledge of your trade to find your own products that you can SELL to your customers. And sell is in capitals there because YOU will NEED to sell them. Not just stick them in your shop and expect them to walk out the door. This is what retail is all about. Train your staff, offer them incentives to push the products that you make margin on rather than just letting your customers walk out with the big brands, who decide how much you will make off a sale.

Put pressure on your suppliers, source their products from overseas wholesalers at lesser margin, and make more yourself. If they don't like it tell them to match your overseas price. This is exactly what Coles & Woolies did to Fosters with Corona and many other brands.

Pricing is flexible, believe it or not, these companies want you to sell their products. Make them work for your business.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
3 Aug 2011 12:38PM
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bakesy said...

Do the Americans know something we don't?


I bloody hope not

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
3 Aug 2011 1:07PM
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Put it this way as a manufacture for 20 odd years employing over a hundred locals,imports smashed us,now I am a importer same industry and only employ 4.
Not good for the unemployment line.

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
3 Aug 2011 1:55PM
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If you're selling the same product as the imports, the price should be similar. If you want to name your own price, differentiate somehow. E.g. Seventhwave wetsuits, or Japanese custom wetsuits, or Patagucci wetsuits, or Matuse, or Hotline, or Buell. Or e.g. with the newest board I've got, the guy sells at a (very) premium price but his product is very far removed from the average popout, and he's got so many orders he barely has time to surf any more. CMC would know him by (online) reputation. Differentiate and survive. Provide nothing more than a higher price, and sink.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
3 Aug 2011 2:13PM
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Legion said...

If you're selling the same product as the imports, the price should be similar. If you want to name your own price, differentiate somehow. E.g. Seventhwave wetsuits, or Japanese custom wetsuits, or Patagucci wetsuits, or Matuse, or Hotline, or Buell. Or e.g. with the newest board I've got, the guy sells at a (very) premium price but his product is very far removed from the average popout, and he's got so many orders he barely has time to surf any more. CMC would know him by (online) reputation. Differentiate and survive. Provide nothing more than a higher price, and sink.


Agreed, shops like 6 ounce and Sugarmill are similar to what you are saying. They only stock the best gear boards/wetsuits and itss expensive but there are no ripquikbongs in there, just quality gear. They are the types of guys that really do good buissiness imo

Legion
WA, 2222 posts
3 Aug 2011 2:25PM
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6 ounce just shut down apparently

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
4 Aug 2011 9:09AM
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Legion said...

6 ounce just shut down apparently


Bloody hell it just reopened!!

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
4 Aug 2011 12:46PM
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doggie said...

Legion said...

6 ounce just shut down apparently


Bloody hell it just reopened!!


Yep a friend of mine helped re-open it in Feb. Looks like they chose to not go forwards with the renewal on the 6 month lease.

As I said above stores are closing, people are doing it tough.

There is merit in what has been said here, if things are so expensive here and cheaper o/s online people will buy from o/s. I bought a set of head phones last night online, I don't think however that a retailer here selling them at twice as much here is ripping me off, it's a different economy of scale. The exchange rate is what making it tough right now. My $30 headphones in USA at .75USD for 1AUD exchange rate before would have made the purchase inc freight to get it here not worth while.

I had a meeting with a guy yesterday and we were discussing the US market, there are as many people in California as Australia. If you have a 5% market share you are a millionaire. Wages are lower, rent is cheaper and the cost of living is much lower. Shops in the US operate on a volume basis, not margin. They have the population to support this high turnover low margin approach.

In Australia things are much different. A niche store like 6 ounce that has now closed twice kind of proves that renting in Manly paying staff enough to live on the Northern Beaches of Sydney and finding enough people in todays economy willing to pay $1500 for a beautiful surfboard is not viable.

My point is it's great to make assumptions about 'surf' stores but reality is many are now owned by the large surf companies. The independant surf retailer is a dying breed. If you can find one support them however you practically can.

The question, if the companies dropped all of their prices and the retailers dropped their margins and volume remained the same most of these businesses would not be viable any longer. It is interesting times indeed and shows how the collapse of the USD is affecting the world. Great thread by the way in the end.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
4 Aug 2011 11:10AM
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When you sign on with ripquikbong do you sign a contract to sell their gear?

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
4 Aug 2011 5:27PM
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doggie said...

When you sign on with ripquikbong do you sign a contract to sell their gear?


It's all in the account application.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
4 Aug 2011 4:00PM
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CMC said...

doggie said...

When you sign on with ripquikbong do you sign a contract to sell their gear?


It's all in the account application.


So lets say you have an accout with ripquikbong and most shops would have all three unless they are specific to one. Now with all this internet stuff why couldnt a shop buy off the net from the USA or where ever and resell in the shop at a discount price? Or at least buy some from the Austrailian distributor and some from over seas so you dilute you cost price and sell to Joe public at a better price than retail.
I would say that there would be a clause in the contract to stop them from doing it but thats what I would do.
Some of these shops need to think outside the box they live in, just so they can live.

ffdisco2
18 posts
5 Aug 2011 9:17PM
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At the end of the day, the industry giants are in it for the money...The product being sold here for $600 or $300 in the US, costs them the same and all come from the same factory...A 20ft container sailed to Oz or US from Thailand doesn't cost that much, when you break it up into the unit cost of each suit being transported...They're having a lend nothing else to it...

They need to revise their RRP formula for Oz. With today's stronger AU$, they need to revise the pricing and encourage sales in Oz as oppose to encouraging international purchases.

If they're not having a lend, then can someone please explain why I can purchase a wetsuit from the US, after it was manufactured and shipped from Thailand to the US, handled/stored/transported until it reaches it's destination, a surf shop; whether it's on consignment or purchased by the retailer. I then access the shops internet store and buy it, the guy packages it and is picked up by a courrier. It is then airfreighted and arrives in 5 days to Australia. After all that, the suit still ends up around 43% cheaper than a suit shipped from Thailand to Australia, handled/stored/transported until it arrives at trendy surf shop and it stays there, hanging on a rack and will most likely end up selling at the end of season for half price. And they are still making profit even on the sale price. If that's not a rip off then I please enlighten me.

300-500% profit margins (based on unit costs ex works) on some retail items aren't abnormal...

smicko
WA, 2503 posts
5 Aug 2011 9:39PM
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Disco the reason we get shafted so badly in Oz is simply a numbers game. It all comes down to population and in the world scheme the Oz market is a drop of piss in the ocean.

ffdisco2
18 posts
5 Aug 2011 10:13PM
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True True...It's really ironic, that as a result or our economy/population/market positioning, most retail prices compared to the rest of the world are driven up. However, because of our economy we are able to purchase products over seas for a lot less. But at the end of the day we're pissing in a pond which is our retail industry, and eventually were going to stink it out, which again reflects on our economy. A vicious cycle.

In the whole scheme of things, whinging about wetsuit prices or what ever it may be is still nothing compared to some of the daily struggle of others!

If this is all we have to worry about, we're doing pretty bloody good...

I hear houses are going cheap in the US too? I wonder how much freight will be???

mocha1
WA, 933 posts
5 Aug 2011 10:30PM
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yeah coastal 2 storey 4bed x 2 bath did i mention as ocean in ya front yard 100k what can we get in outer bum@#@# asbestos 1 bed 1 bath 1 squatter family for 100k....with freight still cheaper than here

if only we ALL had shares in miining companies eh

coz apparantly prices in WA wise we do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

got me a cheap ebomb from US recently from @#@$#@.com EBAY

cant pay 500+ for a 200+ wettie no matter how patriotic of flush with mining money!

jeez even the miners are sourcing cheap overseas labor and product eh!



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