Greg is a quite lightweight guy, so he can use those wind ranges. Also, he is massively skilled with the Fringe.
My sail gap in Florida is 5.0 to 6.8 (soon to be 7.0). Nothing in between. It works. At home in the far east gorge I foil a 6.4 all season long and don't even touch another sail.
Good morning,
so i gathered lot of information from forums, from here and my network. As also Bounce is used more and more on Gorge and the slingshot guys it seems a possible good sail for foiling.
So from a friend yesterday now I bough 5,4 Bounce from 2020. Looks great 3,5 KG, works on a 400 mast. My complete rigg will weight 7 kg with mast 1,5 and boom 2 kg. + uphaul :-)
But the weight of rig is only a bit more as some 9 sqm slamlom sails have. However: Today we have a really bad low wind forecast sith 14 - 28 kmh ...means of time there will be nothing and perhaps some gusts with 7-10 knots.
I'll test it write a review how it feels and works. If this will work today I'll be in party mode :-)
Have a great day ..keep flying..
So I've done it. Tested Goya Bounce 5,4 with 400 Gun Expert and 140-190 Gun Select Boom.
Wizard 125 (round 10,5 KG, as lot of water inside / from me worse repaired), Infinity 76
Rider weight 90 KG (only Lycra and harness)
Wind at the best wounderground station 14-18 kmh but I guess sometimes a bit more...difficult to say.
Had the comparsion to 90 KG Rider with Fin, 174 JP Super Light Wind, 9,3 Duotone freerace sail.
Rig ist very light: round 7 KG
Handling is crazy easy.
Every gust it's picking up very good and brings "speed" on the board.
Shortly summarized I had some very nice flights with flown Jibes and Duck Jibes and flying away afterwards...Basing on my feeling it worked as well as my Gun Beat 6,9 but with much more Handling !! Also with this light sail I was able to pump the board and wing over round 200 meters....but it was the first day I flight this sail...So I'm sure I can put out more and more with the time. Had much more Sessions on the water as the Fin Surfer although the JP Super LIght Wind is planing really early !!
Have not detected any disadvantages only Pro's. Training tricks at less wind makes also big fun with this sail.
Playing around and when the first better gust comes...fly away...really crazy !!
So now I have then 5,4 Bounce as biggest one, then 4,5 fringe, starting at 12/13 knots and then 3,7 Banzai for up to 30 knots and more with the Infinity 65.
Max 400 Mast now. Very compact setup but covering all I need in 98% of the time.
If someone has questions please let me know....I'll answer as good as I can...testing proceeds at thursday...
...you're the man ..you found my trick...
Lycra save min 500 gramm weight compared with a wet wetsuite 
...but as you see ..not so much wind...
Does someone using for foiling the NP "TheFly" wave sail with 3 battens?
Is it close to the Goya Fringe?
Dont know about the fly but Ive recently got a 5.0 Simmer Tricera. Pretty similar I guess to the Fringe, only had one foil on it so far and yes it has some grunt. Seems to like 15 knots but can pump up earlier than that and is nice and light once flying.
Nice Michaelpaf, that you got the Bounce!
My Goya dealer surf buddy regularly uses the Bounce for foiling. Especially with the lightest of winds. I tried it once and omg it had a lot of power that I never expected existed in the marginal wind conditions.
I doubted long between the Bounce and the Fringe. I went Fringe since I needed something for the higher winds but Bounce is definitely one for foiling too.
So now I had 3 Sessions with the bounce 5,4. So my Impression until now.
First both Sessions had marginal Wind.
In good gusts 8-11 knots I guess but without warranty!
So I think can get in flight quite as early as with the 6,9 gun beat.
Where light is, is also Shadow.
Flying through luls I miss miss the needed power. When the peak of the gust is gone it seems to me that I fall down much earlier when I do not pump with sail and foil. So not the typical relaxed foiling.
The third day gusts where better but ground wind also not too good.
The fin surfers needed again their biggest material to have a bit of fun. I had only 35 minutes on the water and 10 mins in flight. Some very nice flights but in lulls the same Problem that I landed on the water.
Also in that condition it was difficult to go to luv.
In light wind it is a dream to play around. But until now I 'm not sure if it will fit my light Wind requirements.
Just ordered also a usee 5,3 fringe.
So let's starr the game????
I'll compare and share my personal experiences. ??
Keep flying...
Hope at Weekend Something will arrive. ???????
Hi, s
Sorry for rejuvinating an old thread, but I'm looking at some (hopefully light/light handling) Fringe sails for my wife to use windfoiling (60kg) in light wind (maybe a 5.7) and recently a chance for a reasonably priced Banzai 6.0 came up. Comparing the two weight-wise and performance-wise, would anyone have personal experience or thoughts on this please? If it is the Fringe, I'd like to use the 5.7 for Bump and Jump windsurfing too.
Cheers
k.
The Fringe is not a good B&J sail, it's good for freeride windfoil or proper side-off wavesailing.
The Banzai is definitely more of an all-rounder.
FWIW, I'm 63kg, new foiler,been out about 10 times on my 5.3 fringe and I76 foil. For my conditions, it's just too much sail. With the foil mast all the way back, and sail mast just forward of middle in the track, feet in forward straps, leaning forward in harness lines,i still get too much lift,foil out in the gust. Last outing I downhauled the hell out of it and it was more manageable, but i have such a loose leach halfway down the sail, it just flaps as I sail as high as possible. It's ok if you had a steady 8-10 knots, bust too narrow a range here.. I just ordered a 3.7, so I'll have to see how that works out.
Select to expand quoteWsurfAustin said..
FWIW, I'm 63kg, new foiler,been out about 10 times on my 5.3 fringe and I76 foil. For my conditions, it's just too much sail. With the foil mast all the way back, and sail mast just forward of middle in the track, feet in forward straps, leaning forward in harness lines,i still get too much lift,foil out in the gust. Last outing I downhauled the hell out of it and it was more manageable, but i have such a loose leach halfway down the sail, it just flaps as I sail as high as possible. It's ok if you had a steady 8-10 knots, bust too narrow a range here.. I just ordered a 3.7, so I'll have to see how that works out.
Seems to me that the people using the fringe get away with pretty small sizes, so I think you are heading the right direction.
Select to expand quotethedoor said..WsurfAustin said..
FWIW, I'm 63kg, new foiler,been out about 10 times on my 5.3 fringe and I76 foil. For my conditions, it's just too much sail. With the foil mast all the way back, and sail mast just forward of middle in the track, feet in forward straps, leaning forward in harness lines,i still get too much lift,foil out in the gust. Last outing I downhauled the hell out of it and it was more manageable, but i have such a loose leach halfway down the sail, it just flaps as I sail as high as possible. It's ok if you had a steady 8-10 knots, bust too narrow a range here.. I just ordered a 3.7, so I'll have to see how that works out.
Seems to me that the people using the fringe get away with pretty small sizes, so I think you are heading the right direction.
Cheers all,
So what I'm hearing is for foiling (esp my lighweight wife), we could drop a half m over what we'd normally take?
Would anyone have a comparison to a NP Combat 5.3 (another option available here)?
The Fringe "likes" being underpowered. It "hates" being overpowered. I'm 83kgs and use a Fringe 4.2 when the wind gets in the high teens. I do have to pump aggressively but once I'm up it's wonderful. (1500cm2 foil) I have a 3.5 on order for 20+ days.
Otoh, when the wind gets strong enough that I decide to switch to a fin board I don't like the sail nearly as well. It works, but is a handful. Watch the videos and Jason Diffen talks about how the CoE is "fluid". That gives it the pump ability I think but you lose the locked in feeling that we like for B&J.
The Banzai is much more of an all arounder I agree. And it's only imperceptibly heavier. But I went with the fringe for the low end and since I foil much more than fin nowadays. The Fringe pumps better and (I know this sounds crazy) it "water-starts" better when underpowered. I was lucky enough to demo them back to back for a couple weeks.
I came from Icons (5 battens) and I think they are miserable foil sails. They are so stiff that they remain flat until they have so much load on them that they fill out, then the mast pressure causes the nose of your board to dive. Then you unsheet and they go flat again. Horrible when underpowered. Very nice for OPed B&J though.
I can't comment on the combat specifically, but if it's a great B&J sail it's probably not great as a foil sail.
Select to expand quoteWsurfAustin said..
FWIW, I'm 63kg, new foiler,been out about 10 times on my 5.3 fringe and I76 foil. For my conditions, it's just too much sail. With the foil mast all the way back, and sail mast just forward of middle in the track, feet in forward straps, leaning forward in harness lines,i still get too much lift,foil out in the gust. Last outing I downhauled the hell out of it and it was more manageable, but i have such a loose leach halfway down the sail, it just flaps as I sail as high as possible. It's ok if you had a steady 8-10 knots, bust too narrow a range here.. I just ordered a 3.7, so I'll have to see how that works out.
You'll like the 3.7 Fringe and that's a good step down from the 5.3. I'm 80kg and on an I76 as well. I have Fringes in 5.7, 4.7, 4.2, 3.7. I need a 3.3 but there are none to be had now, I'm on a waiting list. You'll probably end up with a even smaller Fringe as well. I tend to rig a bit big because I need to waterstart in Corpus Christi bay....uphauling is a challenge in the chaos chop and wind waves. The Fridges are fantastic for "light-wind" style waterstart since they pump so easily I may have been able to skip the 4.2 and go directly to a 3.7 but I like the comfort of rigging slightly big since I'm usually the only one out on foil here.
Another gear item that has really helped me out is the Duotone ratchet extension. It requires a Euro Pin mast base, which I also had to purchase, but now I really like the Euro Pin base system much better. The ratchet allows for easy on the water adjustment of downhaul. I'll end up using this feature almost every session to dial in the sail power. It's a bit tricky to feed the downhaul line through the pulley system on the Fringes but after the downhaul line softened a bit I'm able to do to the "quick rig" method with the Fringes.
www.duotonesports.com/windsurfing/hardware/xts-bases/powerxt-20/
I have a collection of Chinook mast bases and extensions which are great but don't allow easy adjustment on the water.
Its been pointed out by others that it is possible to adjust downhaul with a traditional extension on the water by tying a loop on the downhaul line and using your harness to pull on the line while bracing against the board with your legs. I've never tried this method.
Select to expand quotejksmurf said..thedoor said..WsurfAustin said..
FWIW, I'm 63kg, new foiler,been out about 10 times on my 5.3 fringe and I76 foil. For my conditions, it's just too much sail. With the foil mast all the way back, and sail mast just forward of middle in the track, feet in forward straps, leaning forward in harness lines,i still get too much lift,foil out in the gust. Last outing I downhauled the hell out of it and it was more manageable, but i have such a loose leach halfway down the sail, it just flaps as I sail as high as possible. It's ok if you had a steady 8-10 knots, bust too narrow a range here.. I just ordered a 3.7, so I'll have to see how that works out.
Seems to me that the people using the fringe get away with pretty small sizes, so I think you are heading the right direction.
Cheers all,
So what I'm hearing is for foiling (esp my lighweight wife), we could drop a half m over what we'd normally take?
Would anyone have a comparison to a NP Combat 5.3 (another option available here)?
More than half a metre I would say, but it depends on what kind of wing you use.
Prob more like 1m for freeride foilers/compared to bump and jump sailors if you are using a smaller wing and 2m if you are using a larger wing
Select to expand quotethedoor said..jksmurf said..thedoor said..WsurfAustin said..
FWIW, I'm 63kg, new foiler,been out about 10 times on my 5.3 fringe and I76 foil. For my conditions, it's just too much sail. With the foil mast all the way back, and sail mast just forward of middle in the track, feet in forward straps, leaning forward in harness lines,i still get too much lift,foil out in the gust. Last outing I downhauled the hell out of it and it was more manageable, but i have such a loose leach halfway down the sail, it just flaps as I sail as high as possible. It's ok if you had a steady 8-10 knots, bust too narrow a range here.. I just ordered a 3.7, so I'll have to see how that works out.
Seems to me that the people using the fringe get away with pretty small sizes, so I think you are heading the right direction.
Cheers all,
So what I'm hearing is for foiling (esp my lighweight wife), we could drop a half m over what we'd normally take?
Would anyone have a comparison to a NP Combat 5.3 (another option available here)?
More than half a metre I would say, but it depends on what kind of wing you use.
Prob more like 1m for freeride foilers/compared to bump and jump sailors if you are using a smaller wing and 2m if you are using a larger wing
2m ... wow that's a lot; she's on a large Wing (Neil Pryde HP 15), around 1500cm2 (large for her, not fast but great when super light).
Select to expand quoteccflyer said..WsurfAustin said..
FWIW, I'm 63kg, new foiler,been out about 10 times on my 5.3 fringe and I76 foil. For my conditions, it's just too much sail. With the foil mast all the way back, and sail mast just forward of middle in the track, feet in forward straps, leaning forward in harness lines,i still get too much lift,foil out in the gust. Last outing I downhauled the hell out of it and it was more manageable, but i have such a loose leach halfway down the sail, it just flaps as I sail as high as possible. It's ok if you had a steady 8-10 knots, bust too narrow a range here.. I just ordered a 3.7, so I'll have to see how that works out.
You'll like the 3.7 Fringe and that's a good step down from the 5.3. I'm 80kg and on an I76 as well. I have Fringes in 5.7, 4.7, 4.2, 3.7. I need a 3.3 but there are none to be had now, I'm on a waiting list. You'll probably end up with a even smaller Fringe as well. I tend to rig a bit big because I need to waterstart in Corpus Christi bay....uphauling is a challenge in the chaos chop and wind waves. The Fridges are fantastic for "light-wind" style waterstart since they pump so easily I may have been able to skip the 4.2 and go directly to a 3.7 but I like the comfort of rigging slightly big since I'm usually the only one out on foil here.
Another gear item that has really helped me out is the Duotone ratchet extension. It requires a Euro Pin mast base, which I also had to purchase, but now I really like the Euro Pin base system much better. The ratchet allows for easy on the water adjustment of downhaul. I'll end up using this feature almost every session to dial in the sail power. It's a bit tricky to feed the downhaul line through the pulley system on the Fringes but after the downhaul line softened a bit I'm able to do to the "quick rig" method with the Fringes.
www.duotonesports.com/windsurfing/hardware/xts-bases/powerxt-20/
I have a collection of Chinook mast bases and extensions which are great but don't allow easy adjustment on the water.
Its been pointed out by others that it is possible to adjust downhaul with a traditional extension on the water by tying a loop on the downhaul line and using your harness to pull on the line while bracing against the board with your legs. I've never tried this method.
Great info ccflyer, thanks. I can imagine Corpus uphauling requiring some circus moves 
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Select to expand quoteBullroarerTook said..
The Fringe "likes" being underpowered. It "hates" being overpowered. I'm 83kgs and use a Fringe 4.2 when the wind gets in the high teens. I do have to pump aggressively but once I'm up it's wonderful. (1500cm2 foil) I have a 3.5 on order for 20+ days.
Otoh, when the wind gets strong enough that I decide to switch to a fin board I don't like the sail nearly as well. It works, but is a handful. Watch the videos and Jason Diffen talks about how the CoE is "fluid". That gives it the pump ability I think but you lose the locked in feeling that we like for B&J.
The Banzai is much more of an all arounder I agree. And it's only imperceptibly heavier. But I went with the fringe for the low end and since I foil much more than fin nowadays. The Fringe pumps better and (I know this sounds crazy) it "water-starts" better when underpowered. I was lucky enough to demo them back to back for a couple weeks.
I came from Icons (5 battens) and I think they are miserable foil sails. They are so stiff that they remain flat until they have so much load on them that they fill out, then the mast pressure causes the nose of your board to dive. Then you unsheet and they go flat again. Horrible when underpowered. Very nice for OPed B&J though.
I can't comment on the combat specifically, but if it's a great B&J sail it's probably not great as a foil sail.
Having moved from exclusively NP sails to a couple of Goya fringe (5m and 4m) I can echo the statement, that it doesn't like to be overpowered.... unlike the NP sails which have much more of a wind range.
a few days ago, I foiled out to sea and into a 20mph wind line on my 5m.
I'd rigged the sail to be quite powerful..as there was very little wind close inshore.
Although I could foil, I simply found it difficult to get upwind as there was just no leech tension... and kept on burning out my rear leg to stay up on the foil.
My wife, however on a 5.2 sailworks flyer, was having a blast...and later said it was one of her best foiling sessions ever.
I came back in to the beach and added max downhaul and outhaul, and went out again.
a bit more comfortable...actually relaxed a few times, but not brilliant
After this experience, I've also invested in the duotone ratchet extensions and made a mental note to rig a much smaller fringe than I think I need.
Select to expand quoteBullroarerTook said..
The Fringe "likes" being underpowered. It "hates" being overpowered. I'm 83kgs and use a Fringe 4.2 when the wind gets in the high teens. I do have to pump aggressively but once I'm up it's wonderful. (1500cm2 foil) I have a 3.5 on order for 20+ days.
Otoh, when the wind gets strong enough that I decide to switch to a fin board I don't like the sail nearly as well. It works, but is a handful. Watch the videos and Jason Diffen talks about how the CoE is "fluid". That gives it the pump ability I think but you lose the locked in feeling that we like for B&J.
The Banzai is much more of an all arounder I agree. And it's only imperceptibly heavier. But I went with the fringe for the low end and since I foil much more than fin nowadays. The Fringe pumps better and (I know this sounds crazy) it "water-starts" better when underpowered. I was lucky enough to demo them back to back for a couple weeks.
I came from Icons (5 battens) and I think they are miserable foil sails. They are so stiff that they remain flat until they have so much load on them that they fill out, then the mast pressure causes the nose of your board to dive. Then you unsheet and they go flat again. Horrible when underpowered. Very nice for OPed B&J though.
I can't comment on the combat specifically, but if it's a great B&J sail it's probably not great as a foil sail.
Having moved from exclusively NP sails to a couple of Goya fringe (5m and 4m) I can echo the statement, that it doesn't like to be overpowered.... unlike the NP sails which have much more of a wind range.
a few days ago, I foiled out to sea and into a 20mph wind line on my 5m.
I'd rigged the sail to be quite powerful..as there was very little wind close inshore.
Although I could foil, I simply found it difficult to get upwind as there was just no leech tension... and kept on burning out my rear leg to stay up on the foil.
My wife, however on a 5.2 sailworks flyer, was having a blast...and later said it was one of her best foiling sessions ever.
I came back in to the beach and added max downhaul and outhaul, and went out again.
a bit more comfortable...actually relaxed a few times, but not brilliant
After this experience, I've also invested in the duotone ratchet extensions and made a mental note to rig a much smaller fringe than I think I need.
