Wow, this wing thing is hard.
5th day out now. Best wind was 5-11 for one short out and back slog on a SUP. Jibed and stayed even.
The other 4 were mostly 1-8, with more 3 than 5. Downwind and hard to stand up with the wing sagging at better than 45 degrees, but not nearly flying anywhere near level. Jibing only got me another 50 feet downwind.
Work with little progress
Select to expand quoteairsail said..Grantmac said..
It's a Gong inflatable and shipping was quite expensive, I don't know about the tax bill yet.
Unless Gong charged GST at point of sale, it is unlikely you will face additional tax when it arrives. I've had a few expensive items delivered from OS, just comes no gst.
They didn't charge VAT, but I'm in Canada so its possible I'll get hit with our 7% GST or even possibly 13% HST instead.
Oh well its only money.
Select to expand quoteboardsurfr said..Dishpet said..
If you're talking about the International games on lake Garda there were 3 PWA Slalom guys in the top 10.
1st Sebiastian Koerdel
4th Alexander Cousin
7th Matteo Iachino
Looks like you missed the last 15 seconds of the finals, where Kiran Badloe (RS:X champion) beat Koerdel to take the 1st place. The 8 races before the final round were dominated by two slalom sailors, Koerdel and Iachino, but Kiran had a bit an advantage in the light winds for the final, and plenty of race experience in very similar formats.
The guys at #8 and 9 (Isaac and Rutkowski) are also slalom sailors. The first freestyler was Amado as #11, but Amado also competes in slalom and foiling. He has competed in IFCA slalom events, with several top-10 results in the worlds, since at least 2007 (in the U13 class back then).
Looks like you missed the entire IQ Foil World championship last week.
Here ya go:
iqscore-live.s3-website.eu-west-3.amazonaws.com/results
Select to expand quoteDishpet said..boardsurfr said..Dishpet said..
If you're talking about the International games on lake Garda there were 3 PWA Slalom guys in the top 10.
1st Sebiastian Koerdel
4th Alexander Cousin
7th Matteo Iachino
Looks like you missed the last 15 seconds of the finals, where Kiran Badloe (RS:X champion) beat Koerdel to take the 1st place. The 8 races before the final round were dominated by two slalom sailors, Koerdel and Iachino, but Kiran had a bit an advantage in the light winds for the final, and plenty of race experience in very similar formats.
The guys at #8 and 9 (Isaac and Rutkowski) are also slalom sailors. The first freestyler was Amado as #11, but Amado also competes in slalom and foiling. He has competed in IFCA slalom events, with several top-10 results in the worlds, since at least 2007 (in the U13 class back then).
Looks like you missed the entire IQ Foil World championship last week.
Here ya go:
iqscore-live.s3-website.eu-west-3.amazonaws.com/results
Most impressive thing is the age!!!!!! The first 20 people are all below 31 years old ... the vast majority is actually below 30.
That is a BIG change from the typical PWA/Formula line up of just a couple of years ago
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
Wow, this wing thing is hard.
5th day out now. Best wind was 5-11 for one short out and back slog on a SUP. Jibed and stayed even.
The other 4 were mostly 1-8, with more 3 than 5. Downwind and hard to stand up with the wing sagging at better than 45 degrees, but not nearly flying anywhere near level. Jibing only got me another 50 feet downwind.
Work with little progress
You are a glutton for punishment, aren't you? 
Any breeze, I'm windfoiling.
Any wind, I'm windsurfing.
Calm, it's SUP, bikes, or tennis.
Learning a new sport is not priority.
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
Any breeze, I'm windfoiling.
Any wind, I'm windsurfing.
Calm, it's SUP, bikes, or tennis.
Learning a new sport is not priority.
Don't forget to carve out a window for the missus
S/O windsurfs, windfoils, bikes, and surfs longer than I possibly can.
She encourages me to play tennis so I don't slow her down bike riding on windless days.
We both avoid going out at night.
Select to expand quoteLeeD said..
S/O windsurfs, windfoils, bikes, and surfs longer than I possibly can.
She encourages me to play tennis so I don't slow her down bike riding on windless days.
We both avoid going out at night.
Nice!
I had some wingdinging lessons today. Was pretty cool and interesting.
Was able to get some very short foil flights after my very good instructor got me to fix my posture. However, when I got flying it reminded me a lot of my early windfoil flights, just a lot less stable. Something about being able to hold onto the boom/mast on windfoil.
Not sure yet when I'll grab gear, maybe relatively quick or maybe not. But, with my lack of skill it did take a 7m wing to get my 190lbs moving fast enough. I just had to get my hands way further back on the boom and pull my front arm up to keep from digging the wingtip. I did that a few times with that wing and it sucked each time, sometimes I recovered but others not.
Today dying 3-10, guys on 7.8 and race foils just slogging.
Used 5.2 sail, 122 Hover, 600 kitewing. Got up twice only, same as like sized much better foiler on his 7.8.
If it just planes with 6 hard pumps, it foils easily.
My 2cents worth,
All this stuff helps each other aspect of enjoying the ocean. I say do it all and reap the benefits of crossing over.
Mahalos
Todd
Select to expand quotedejavu said..
Cannot believe how many times he nearly gets twatted with that foil, even with a helmet on he nearly got a face full of carbon 
Should have taken those inline foot straps off, they do nothing for you when learning.... makes things more difficult if anything.
To the original quote, yes there will be people moving to winging from windsurfing and windfoiling, BUT there will be a lot (me included) who will continue to Windfoil and wavesail as well as wing. I see the expansion of water sports in previous decades (Sup and kiting) as complementary to windsurfing, and the development of foiling activities in the past years is much the same. I'll never give up windsurfing as I love it. Windfoiling means I can sail on the days it's too light to windsurf. Winging won't drop the low wind threshold for sailing, but it's something different and may complement the activities I already do.
There are sailors who will pick it up dead easy, and others who will struggle. For me, with 3+decades of windsurfing experience (but by no means an expert sailor), I found both Windfoiling and winging relatively easy to do. Others getting into the sport (with no sailing background) I can see will probably struggle if they have few concepts of sailing. And it's a technical sport - you really do need to get an idea of where the foil needs to be positioned on the board and under your feet so that things work properly for wingfoiling. So I see potentially LOTS of people trying to get into the sport and being frustrated because they haven't set their gear up properly, can't do it and give up. Plus crashing and foil rips wing or wing boom dents board or they get clouted by gear?
Once you've learned how to wingfoil, will you drop windsurfing and windfoiling? Me, no, but others maybe? I think there will always be glued on windfoilers and windsurfers. I doubt windsurfing or windfoiling will fizzle out as a result of winging taking over the numbers.
I know a few kiters and windsurfers who have basically given up their original sports once they tried winging.
I know a few windsurfers who exclusively foil now, usually in areas where significant wind is rare.
I was an early (2018) adopter of windfoiling. Easily half of my sessions are foiling now. But I will always take wavesailing over it.
Recently I've started winging. It's a new challenge and I'm just getting a feel for how it works. Disconnecting the power source from the board is pretty revolutionary, the freedom of movement is amazing. You can foil much slower and almost as fast as freeride windfoil gear.
I think if you measure performance with a GPS winging will not satisfy you. If you measure it in freedom of movement, wind range and compactness of equipment then winging can be brilliant.
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Nice video showing the learning stage I will probably start winging next month, got few questions base on the video.
- for the take off it look to be reaching a lot would it better to go downwind as we learn on kitefoil to allow building speed and reducing side force from the kite here the wing?
- when he crash he go down on windward side would it be more safe to avoid fighting to much the foil and go leeward with the wing to avoid Impacting the foil?
To avoid the canting moment of the foil, should we go on heel pressure instead of toe?
Day 5 of winging, flying gybes one way, bit rough on the other tack. Piss easy if your a windfoiler, bit harder if you don't have foiling experience. I hear kiters have the most trouble as they don't have the basics of windsurfing.
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.....You can foil much slower and almost as fast as freeride windfoil gear.
I think if you measure performance with a GPS winging will not satisfy you.....
If anyone out there is Winging and wears a GPS it would be cool to know their numbers (2 sec, 5x10, Alpha etc). I'm not at all dedicated to the pursuit of speed for speeds sake but the notion that Wingers are as fast (or nearly as fast) as Freeride Wind foilers is not my experience. There's heaps of Wingers now on Lake Macquarie and they look like they're having plenty of fun but even slow old me can easily pass them on any bearing.
The fastest pro level wingers easily pass average intermediate windfoilers.
In every sport, the absolute best is more abberation than norm.
Select to expand quoteAnt-man said..Grantmac said..
.....You can foil much slower and almost as fast as freeride windfoil gear.
I think if you measure performance with a GPS winging will not satisfy you.....
If anyone out there is Winging and wears a GPS it would be cool to know their numbers (2 sec, 5x10, Alpha etc). I'm not at all dedicated to the pursuit of speed for speeds sake but the notion that Wingers are as fast (or nearly as fast) as Freeride Wind foilers is not my experience. There's heaps of Wingers now on Lake Macquarie and they look like they're having plenty of fun but even slow old me can easily pass them on any bearing.
My wing session yesterday maxed at 12.2knots, definitely not fast. That's on a 1900 sqcm wing which is slow, smaller wings are faster but winging isn't about speed and will never satisfy a speed freak. Saying that, any kind of foiling is slow compared to finning, being that windsurfing or kitesurfing, just too much surface area below the waterline for high speed. The smaller the surface area the faster you go, but then transitions become an issue.
Perhaps it feels fast because the speed range is so wide. From what seems like almost stationary to fast enough to jump (for the advanced riders). The ability to maintain airborne through tacks and carve many successive gybes without any foot change or much speed reduction.
I'm sure that 15kts is a rough average speed for many foilers and likely to be possible for many wingers.
Select to expand quoteAnt-man said..Grantmac said..
.....You can foil much slower and almost as fast as freeride windfoil gear.
I think if you measure performance with a GPS winging will not satisfy you.....
If anyone out there is Winging and wears a GPS it would be cool to know their numbers (2 sec, 5x10, Alpha etc). I'm not at all dedicated to the pursuit of speed for speeds sake but the notion that Wingers are as fast (or nearly as fast) as Freeride Wind foilers is not my experience. There's heaps of Wingers now on Lake Macquarie and they look like they're having plenty of fun but even slow old me can easily pass them on any bearing.
Only cheapo GPS watch here. Speed varies quite a bit depending on the foilUsually crusing around 12-14 knots on wave foilsBeen several times just above 20 knots straightline (in 20-30 knots wind) and above 20 knots down a big swell flagging, all this with a Gofoil GL140.
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
That's funny. I think surfing is the least social sport I've ever tried.
Maybe we just have crappy locals.
That is very true in some spots, especially crowded spots where there are a lot of strangers, but on my home beach where most know each other and there is very little 'crowding', there is a LOT of friendly chatting and socialising in the water waiting for waves. 
And I have definitely noticed that there are a lot more girls and women surfing here than there are windsurfing or kiting these days. My daughter enjoys surfing with her girlfriends much more than windsurfing because of the more social interaction.
Select to expand quotesailquik said..
And I have definitely noticed that there are a lot more girls and women surfing here than there are windsurfing or kiting these days. My daughter enjoys surfing with her girlfriends much more than windsurfing because of the more social interaction.
So true. Reminds me of a windsurfer girl in Texas who was quite good, but said she loved surfing a lot more since she like the chats while waiting for the next wave. Some girls (like Nina) are atypical and prefer time on the water to chats, though.
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
I'm sure that 15kts is a rough average speed for many foilers and likely to be possible for many wingers.
My sessions on Slingshot 76/84/99 wings will generally be slower - around 12 knots average when windfoiling, with maybe a knot more for the 76 and a knot less for the 99. Here's one of my typical sessions with the i84:
This one was well powered (18 mph gusting to 28). Light wind sessions are slower. Top 2 second speed was 16.1 knots. This is with a highly accurate GPS. Many GPS watches tend to "exaggerate" top speed by a few knots on a regular basis.
For winging, my wife's speed on the i84 are typically a couple of knots lower in the same conditions.
Other foils are faster, though. In this tutorial, Sam Ross easily reaches mid-20 knots, with few white caps to be seen:
I think I'm talking about comfortable cruising speed vs true average. I spend so much time swimming on windfoil gear that my true average is likely around 10kts, maybe 2-3kts on the wing as of right now. But my cruise speed on both doesn't feel that different. I'm am using a larger but higher aspect foil with the wing.
The bigger foil wings (+1500cm2 low aspect) seem to have similar cruising speed regardless of power source.
Windsurf sails have decades more development than wings so I'm sure than the gap will narrow over time.
I regularly do 22+ knots on race foils going as deep downwind as possible and around 18-20 upwind and i'm not very fast. There are guys here that do 30+ on foils across the wind on a reach.
