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Created by excav8ter > 9 months ago, 4 Aug 2019
excav8ter
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26 Aug 2019 11:00AM
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Got another successful session in this evening. Close to 2.5 hours of out and back on the i84 with the 7.0. Conditions were gusty at times, but for the most part the 7.0 was a good size. Had LOTS of boat traffic and subsequently a lot of waves to deal with. I used my 35" mast for the first time today. Felt a bit spooky at first, but still had some LONG rides on foil. Worked on my landings a bit too. The speed is amazing to me.
So I have a question about when the wind picks up as it did tonight. For the most part the 7.0 was good, but bordering on overpowered. When I get feeling like I'm overpowered, what is the best thing to do, drop sail size? Or front wing size?

I played with mast placement a little bit by moving it forward, but that seemed to really make the foil feel very twitchy and hard to control. Will probably go back to the position I had the best luck with on Friday.
We have a few days of solid wind in the forecast for this week. Here's hoping i can score some more flight time.

MagicRide
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26 Aug 2019 12:29PM
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excav8ter said..
Got another successful session in this evening. Close to 2.5 hours of out and back on the i84 with the 7.0. Conditions were gusty at times, but for the most part the 7.0 was a good size. Had LOTS of boat traffic and subsequently a lot of waves to deal with. I used my 35" mast for the first time today. Felt a bit spooky at first, but still had some LONG rides on foil. Worked on my landings a bit too. The speed is amazing to me.
So I have a question about when the wind picks up as it did tonight. For the most part the 7.0 was good, but bordering on overpowered. When I get feeling like I'm overpowered, what is the best thing to do, drop sail size? Or front wing size?

I played with mast placement a little bit by moving it forward, but that seemed to really make the foil feel very twitchy and hard to control. Will probably go back to the position I had the best luck with on Friday.
We have a few days of solid wind in the forecast for this week. Here's hoping i can score some more flight time.


How much wind was there?

azymuth
WA, 2031 posts
26 Aug 2019 3:18PM
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excav8ter said..
Got another successful session in this evening. Close to 2.5 hours of out and back on the i84 with the 7.0. Conditions were gusty at times, but for the most part the 7.0 was a good size. Had LOTS of boat traffic and subsequently a lot of waves to deal with. I used my 35" mast for the first time today. Felt a bit spooky at first, but still had some LONG rides on foil. Worked on my landings a bit too. The speed is amazing to me.
So I have a question about when the wind picks up as it did tonight. For the most part the 7.0 was good, but bordering on overpowered. When I get feeling like I'm overpowered, what is the best thing to do, drop sail size? Or front wing size?

I played with mast placement a little bit by moving it forward, but that seemed to really make the foil feel very twitchy and hard to control. Will probably go back to the position I had the best luck with on Friday.
We have a few days of solid wind in the forecast for this week. Here's hoping i can score some more flight time.


Probably easier when learning in stronger winds to stay on the 84 and use a smaller sail - you can foil slowly which makes gybing and crashes easier
You'll need to be going to go quite fast to get your Gamma 68 wing to foil consistently.

But if you want to learn to foil in >20knots try the Gamma and a small sail.

excav8ter
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26 Aug 2019 10:35PM
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I don't know the wind speed. Guessing it was 15mph, gusting close to 20. My anemometer should be here any day. That will help a bit. I would like to keep using the i84 wing for a while yet. Maybe I should look into the i76 as an in between? Or just use my 6.0 when those winds are present? I LOVE learning. I had some really long rides last night. Best one was probably close to a half a mile. Going past some Hobie cats and other sailboats while on foil was crazy cool!
What do you think about the Levitator board versus my Fanatic Falcon LW for foiling? I wonder if the Levitator may be easier due to the foot straps being more inboard and having more adjustability.

segler
WA, 1623 posts
26 Aug 2019 10:44PM
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If you have the 2018 Flyer 7.0 with 4 battens like mine, you will find it gets overpowered quickly when the wind gets up above 15 mph. I asked Bruce P about this last year. He said, yep, that's the result of having 4 battens.

So, the 2019 7.0 and 8.2 Flyers have 5 battens. This supposedly widens the wind range quite a lot.

I love the "continuous improvement" attitude of this industry. We all benefit.

SA_AL
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27 Aug 2019 12:19AM
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I have decided to get a foil dedicated board for my infinity 84 wing with long mast since I feel that it will provide a more stable platform rather than using an old free formula board. I am 225 lbs and trying to decide in between 160 levitator or 155 JP foil board. If anyone has experience with these boards and make a recommendation for my setting for 10-15 mph days, I will appreciate.

MagicRide
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27 Aug 2019 12:46AM
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I don't know the wind speed. Guessing it was 15mph, gusting close to 20. My anemometer should be here any day. That will help a bit. I would like to keep using the i84 wing for a while yet. Maybe I should look into the i76 as an in between? Or just use my 6.0 when those winds are present? I LOVE learning. I had some really long rides last night. Best one was probably close to a half a mile. Going past some Hobie cats and other sailboats while on foil was crazy cool!
What do you think about the Levitator board versus my Fanatic Falcon LW for foiling? I wonder if the Levitator may be easier due to the foot straps being more inboard and having more adjustability.



I had a long discussion with my shop about the slingshot gama 68 wing setup which it comes with and if I should also purchase the i76 or i84 wing. The indication I got was the i84 would get me out earlier, it's more stable, but a little slower at top speed than the i76, but the i84 stalls and drops off foil at low speeds. The i76 was too close to the gama 68 in my opinion for getting out early. I believe the i84 will be perfect in light air and when it gets into the mid to upper teens, the gama 68 will be a perfect replacement with of course a small sail. I sail on lakes for the most part as well. I quizzed the shop pretty well on this, so I feel pretty good about adding the i84 to my quiver instead of the i76.

27 Aug 2019 2:18AM
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I don't know the wind speed. Guessing it was 15mph, gusting close to 20. My anemometer should be here any day. That will help a bit. I would like to keep using the i84 wing for a while yet. Maybe I should look into the i76 as an in between? Or just use my 6.0 when those winds are present? I LOVE learning. I had some really long rides last night. Best one was probably close to a half a mile. Going past some Hobie cats and other sailboats while on foil was crazy cool!
What do you think about the Levitator board versus my Fanatic Falcon LW for foiling? I wonder if the Levitator may be easier due to the foot straps being more inboard and having more adjustability.


i don't know the Fanatic Falcon LW personally, but from the look at it, you do point out something that I think is important.

The ability to place the footstraps more inboard on the Levitator is a big help foiling. In fact to get going and up on the foil, you can place the front foot in the strap at very low speed ( or even non planing). This mean that you can take advantage of having the foot the right place to start with and easier to get the motion for pumping the foil up.
(The same princip for the smaller Slingshot Wizard boards)

Also for jibing, the switching feet's is easier and after a while it will be nearly automatic to get the foot straight into the straps, when switching feet's.

I also think it is a bit safer to have them in board, as you gain more control over the board.

Last thing thing to mention is that Slingshot boards all have the front strap slightly more parralel with the rail (compared to a normal windsurf board). So if you do have crashes going in forward momentum with your body, then the front foot will release much easier and minimise the chance for a twisted or broken foot.

excav8ter
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28 Aug 2019 7:37PM
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excav8ter said..
I don't know the wind speed. Guessing it was 15mph, gusting close to 20. My anemometer should be here any day. That will help a bit. I would like to keep using the i84 wing for a while yet. Maybe I should look into the i76 as an in between? Or just use my 6.0 when those winds are present? I LOVE learning. I had some really long rides last night. Best one was probably close to a half a mile. Going past some Hobie cats and other sailboats while on foil was crazy cool!
What do you think about the Levitator board versus my Fanatic Falcon LW for foiling? I wonder if the Levitator may be easier due to the foot straps being more inboard and having more adjustability.



i don't know the Fanatic Falcon LW personally, but from the look at it, you do point out something that I think is important.

The ability to place the footstraps more inboard on the Levitator is a big help foiling. In fact to get going and up on the foil, you can place the front foot in the strap at very low speed ( or even non planing). This mean that you can take advantage of having the foot the right place to start with and easier to get the motion for pumping the foil up.
(The same princip for the smaller Slingshot Wizard boards)

Also for jibing, the switching feet's is easier and after a while it will be nearly automatic to get the foot straight into the straps, when switching feet's.

I also think it is a bit safer to have them in board, as you gain more control over the board.

Last thing thing to mention is that Slingshot boards all have the front strap slightly more parralel with the rail (compared to a normal windsurf board). So if you do have crashes going in forward momentum with your body, then the front foot will release much easier and minimise the chance for a twisted or broken foot.


I'm checking with MacKite about getting the Levitator 160 in for demo as soon as possible. I think that will make it easier to get even more comfortable. The footstrap placement works, but I need a fair bit of wind to get in the front strap.

excav8ter
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28 Aug 2019 7:49PM
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So I went out last night for 2 hours. At best I had gusts that maybe reached 14mph. The lulls were fairly steady, and with some aggressive pumping I could get the board to lift off the water 6 inches or so, but I couldn't maintain it. When I got a bigger puff of wind and got on foil I felt like the board wanted to round up on me for some reason. Although I had a few good runs, I felt like I was "wobbly" most of the time, and not in complete control. The sail mast was in my usual location in the mast track, but I was using an 8.0 Ezzy Cheetah sail with the i84 front wing. I am also running the 42 rear wing, and I am feeling that I should grab the 48 rear wing today. I did a very poor job of rigging the sail, so maybe that has a bit to do with it. Given the wind last night, I feel the i99 front wing would have been flying a LOT more, as I could fee the lift of the 84 at the speeds I was reaching in the lighter winds.

Paducah
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28 Aug 2019 9:08PM
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So I went out last night for 2 hours. At best I had gusts that maybe reached 14mph. The lulls were fairly steady, and with some aggressive pumping I could get the board to lift off the water 6 inches or so, but I couldn't maintain it. When I got a bigger puff of wind and got on foil I felt like the board wanted to round up on me for some reason. Although I had a few good runs, I felt like I was "wobbly" most of the time, and not in complete control. The sail mast was in my usual location in the mast track, but I was using an 8.0 Ezzy Cheetah sail with the i84 front wing. I am also running the 42 rear wing, and I am feeling that I should grab the 48 rear wing today. I did a very poor job of rigging the sail, so maybe that has a bit to do with it. Given the wind last night, I feel the i99 front wing would have been flying a LOT more, as I could fee the lift of the 84 at the speeds I was reaching in the lighter winds.


If you are pumping hard to get out of the water, it's easy to oversheet as soon as you come out. Try sheeting out for just a couple of seconds to let the air attach to the sail.

Also, make sure you are headed about 110-120 degrees off the wind until you've accelerated to foiling speed. Don't be in a rush to come up.

Where's your back foot during this? Ideally, it should be more over the center of the board.

excav8ter
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29 Aug 2019 12:30AM
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excav8ter said..
So I went out last night for 2 hours. At best I had gusts that maybe reached 14mph. The lulls were fairly steady, and with some aggressive pumping I could get the board to lift off the water 6 inches or so, but I couldn't maintain it. When I got a bigger puff of wind and got on foil I felt like the board wanted to round up on me for some reason. Although I had a few good runs, I felt like I was "wobbly" most of the time, and not in complete control. The sail mast was in my usual location in the mast track, but I was using an 8.0 Ezzy Cheetah sail with the i84 front wing. I am also running the 42 rear wing, and I am feeling that I should grab the 48 rear wing today. I did a very poor job of rigging the sail, so maybe that has a bit to do with it. Given the wind last night, I feel the i99 front wing would have been flying a LOT more, as I could fee the lift of the 84 at the speeds I was reaching in the lighter winds.



If you are pumping hard to get out of the water, it's easy to oversheet as soon as you come out. Try sheeting out for just a couple of seconds to let the air attach to the sail.

Also, make sure you are headed about 110-120 degrees off the wind until you've accelerated to foiling speed. Don't be in a rush to come up.

Where's your back foot during this? Ideally, it should be more over the center of the board.


I've been making sure I point off the wind enough. I can definitely feel the board accelerate and want to lift. My back foot is usually just in front of the mast so I can push down with my back foot as needed. Once on foil, my back foot comes forward as I feel necessary.

boardsurfr
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29 Aug 2019 1:32AM
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Also, make sure you are headed about 110-120 degrees off the wind until you've accelerated to foiling speed. Don't be in a rush to come up.

I usually head downwind when pumping, wether it's on a foil or a slapper. But I somehow have the feeling that the foil requires you to go onto a beam reach once you come up. For example, say you are foiling in 10 knots wind and want to get the board up to 10 knots board speed. At 120 degrees, your apparent wind will be exactly 10 knots. At 90 degrees, it increases to 14.1 knots. More apparent wind should make it easier to stay up.

This is mostly theoretical, I'm not good at pumping with a foil. Does it ring true to anyone better at pumping onto a foil?

LeeD
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29 Aug 2019 3:11AM
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Just like WS, you can't continue downwind after pumping onto a plane/foil.
If you could, you would not need to pump at all.

excav8ter
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29 Aug 2019 10:12AM
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Paducah said..
Also, make sure you are headed about 110-120 degrees off the wind until you've accelerated to foiling speed. Don't be in a rush to come up.


I usually head downwind when pumping, wether it's on a foil or a slapper. But I somehow have the feeling that the foil requires you to go onto a beam reach once you come up. For example, say you are foiling in 10 knots wind and want to get the board up to 10 knots board speed. At 120 degrees, your apparent wind will be exactly 10 knots. At 90 degrees, it increases to 14.1 knots. More apparent wind should make it easier to stay up.

This is mostly theoretical, I'm not good at pumping with a foil. Does it ring true to anyone better at pumping onto a foil?


I was trying to come back up wind after bearing off and pumping. As I think I mentioned earlier, I feel that the combination of the 8.0 sail, the 42cm rear wing and my the mast of my rig being in a bit of a different location than it had been, may have contributed to my issues last night.
I went an picked up the 48cm rear wing tonight and confirmed that I will have the Infinity 99 front wing for the weekend. We are forecasted to see 10mph breezes for the long weekend. Hoping Sunday I get lucky with some light wind foiling.

Paducah
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29 Aug 2019 9:54PM
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Just like WS, you can't continue downwind after pumping onto a plane/foil.
If you could, you would not need to pump at all.


WTF do I know?
"To get going early you really need to stuff the board deep downwind, where the depth of the draft can compliment good pumping technique, to accelerate the board and get water flowing over the foil's wings." www.windsurf.co.uk/test/loft-sails-skyscape-7-6m-2019-test-review/

excav8ter
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29 Aug 2019 10:08PM
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What do you guys think about dedicated foil sails, versus "other" sails? I used my 8.0 Ezzy Cheetah on Tuesday night and it seemed to work well, but I couldn't really say it was great, because wind conditions were so up and down.

LeeD
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30 Aug 2019 2:30AM
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I like being able to switch boards from foiling to Skate 110, or 85 liter fsw as the wind decides to mess with my foiling.
Some like the 20 or so % of easier foiling with dedicated foiling sails, but I still ws over 21mph gusts.
Makes it 60/40 ws over foil.

Paducah
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30 Aug 2019 2:46AM
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What do you guys think about dedicated foil sails, versus "other" sails? I used my 8.0 Ezzy Cheetah on Tuesday night and it seemed to work well, but I couldn't really say it was great, because wind conditions were so up and down.


Just one stranger on the internet's experience: I started with a 7.0 Cheetah. It was, at the time, my go to sail I could use from 14 to the upper 20s. I thought it was a decent foil sail until I rigged an older Gaastra 2 cam 6.5 freerace that had been in my garage unused for years. Huge difference in longitudinal stability for me , better low end/pumping and I felt like I could handle puffs better. The Cheetah, in particular, seemed to inflate and deflate all at the wrong times. I'm not sure you need to go foil specific although sails like the Flyer, Loft Skyscape, etc are popular but so are freeride/race 2 and 3 cams. The foil specific sails do have small details that help like lighter weight, shorter boom length etc.

I'm not saying you need a foil specific sail or a cammed one at that (the Naish and Ezzy Hydra certainly have their fans). Just my experience with the Cheetah in particular. I love the Cheetah on a 115 l. freeride board. I have never rigged it for foiling since that first day with the Gaastra. I use 2 cam freerace sails in the bigger sizes and wave sails below 6.

There are new cammed foil sails in the bigger sizes coming for '20 so don't be in a rush to run out and grab something. I know that Naish, Sailworks, Loft and GA definitely have stuff coming out.

segler
WA, 1623 posts
30 Aug 2019 11:27PM
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Foil sails versus "regular" sails. Other than the Ezzy Hydra, I'm still not sure there is any appreciable difference. They tell us there is, but I sure have not seen it. I live in the Gorge, and I see a lot of equipment.

The cammed foil sails seem to take a page out of lightweight racing sails from the 90s. My 1999-vintage Sailworks XT (6.4, 7.4, 8.5) perform pretty much the same as the current crop of Sailworks Flyers. At least I (not a pro) can't tell the difference. I just go out and foil them, and they work. XT 6.4 and Flyer 7.0 are my two most used rides.

The camless foiling sails, such as the Naish Lift, don't seem to be any different from any other lightweight camless sail, that I can tell. A really popular foiling sail is the Goya Fringe--light weight, 3 battens, easy performance. Slingshot team riders, and Tony himeself, ride them. They are billed by Goya as just regular wave sails, but they state that they work fine for foiling. For windy days, I foil with an old Sailworks Revolution 5.0. It works fine. When I visit my daughter in Florida, I foil with Aerotech Phantom (6.8, 6.2) and Severne (5.0) camless. Do I miss the cams? No.

One area where the camless have it all over the cammed is in waterstarting. Bruce Peterson, for all his skill, uphauls.

I think foil sail designs will shake out over the next couple years. We will all benefit.

Awalkspoiled
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31 Aug 2019 1:01AM
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Foil sails versus "regular" sails. Other than the Ezzy Hydra, I'm still not sure there is any appreciable difference. They tell us there is, but I sure have not seen it. I live in the Gorge, and I see a lot of equipment.

The cammed foil sails seem to take a page out of lightweight racing sails from the 90s. My 1999-vintage Sailworks XT (6.4, 7.4, 8.5) perform pretty much the same as the current crop of Sailworks Flyers. At least I (not a pro) can't tell the difference. I just go out and foil them, and they work. XT 6.4 and Flyer 7.0 are my two most used rides.

The camless foiling sails, such as the Naish Lift, don't seem to be any different from any other lightweight camless sail, that I can tell. A really popular foiling sail is the Goya Fringe--light weight, 3 battens, easy performance. Slingshot team riders, and Tony himeself, ride them. They are billed by Goya as just regular wave sails, but they state that they work fine for foiling. For windy days, I foil with an old Sailworks Revolution 5.0. It works fine. When I visit my daughter in Florida, I foil with Aerotech Phantom (6.8, 6.2) and Severne (5.0) camless. Do I miss the cams? No.

One area where the camless have it all over the cammed is in waterstarting. Bruce Peterson, for all his skill, uphauls.

I think foil sail designs will shake out over the next couple years. We will all benefit.


Yes, I emailed Bruce about this - mostly to tell him how much I enjoyed foiling on my 1991 3-cam Sailworks race sails. He replied that the 1991 5.6 was one of the sails they tested while developing the Flyer line. The Flyer line is lighter and softer but has a similar outline and similarly taut leech. My 5.6 is pretty trashed but I've used the 5.1 (at one time my favorite sail) with some success.

joe87879
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31 Aug 2019 8:08PM
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excav8ter said..
What do you guys think about dedicated foil sails, versus "other" sails? I used my 8.0 Ezzy Cheetah on Tuesday night and it seemed to work well, but I couldn't really say it was great, because wind conditions were so up and down.



I started with a Cheetah 8.0 and switched to a Sailworks Flyer 8.2. Much lighter (same weight as my Tiger 6.3), more stable, way better for pumping and for light wind flying. I don't love cammed sails but I feel it is a better sail in light winds. I do use Tigers (6.3 & 5.2) in more wind and they work fine. I think in light wind the dedicated sails like the flyers really shine.

Joe

(Ps really eager to hear how you get on with the 99 wing!)

shmish
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1 Sep 2019 3:34PM
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segler said..
Foil sails versus "regular" sails. Other than the Ezzy Hydra, I'm still not sure there is any appreciable difference. They tell us there is, but I sure have not seen it. I live in the Gorge, and I see a lot of equipment.

The cammed foil sails seem to take a page out of lightweight racing sails from the 90s. My 1999-vintage Sailworks XT (6.4, 7.4, 8.5) perform pretty much the same as the current crop of Sailworks Flyers. At least I (not a pro) can't tell the difference. I just go out and foil them, and they work. XT 6.4 and Flyer 7.0 are my two most used rides.

The camless foiling sails, such as the Naish Lift, don't seem to be any different from any other lightweight camless sail, that I can tell. A really popular foiling sail is the Goya Fringe--light weight, 3 battens, easy performance. Slingshot team riders, and Tony himeself, ride them. They are billed by Goya as just regular wave sails, but they state that they work fine for foiling. For windy days, I foil with an old Sailworks Revolution 5.0. It works fine. When I visit my daughter in Florida, I foil with Aerotech Phantom (6.8, 6.2) and Severne (5.0) camless. Do I miss the cams? No.

One area where the camless have it all over the cammed is in waterstarting. Bruce Peterson, for all his skill, uphauls.

I think foil sail designs will shake out over the next couple years. We will all benefit.



Yes, I emailed Bruce about this - mostly to tell him how much I enjoyed foiling on my 1991 3-cam Sailworks race sails. He replied that the 1991 5.6 was one of the sails they tested while developing the Flyer line. The Flyer line is lighter and softer but has a similar outline and similarly taut leech. My 5.6 is pretty trashed but I've used the 5.1 (at one time my favorite sail) with some success.


I have a Sailworks Syncro 5.3 that I hope to use if I get a windfoil setup. I think it is 3 cams, made around 1992/3. It should be ok?

shmish
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1 Sep 2019 3:45PM
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OK, you're a big dude, so you have the right big floaty board, big lifty wing, and the right 7.0 Flyer sail. I have the 7.0 Flyer, too.

Like another person said here, first go out and windsurf your gear without trying to fly it. Go slow. The i84 wing will fly with very little speed. Keep it down in the water until you get the feel of the gear. You can slog around nicely since the foil mast acts like a giant fin.

Then make sure your gear is all balanced. Since the Slingshot mast is 90 degree straight up and down, this is easy.

The goal is to get the center of lift of the front wing at the midpoint between front and rear footstraps. Too far aft, it won't lift. Too far forward, you can't control it.

Mount the foil to the board. While upside down measure the distance along the fuselage from the front leading edge of the mast to the center of lift of the wing. Note, this front leading edge is about one inch further forward of the front fin screw.

Flip the board upright and measure forward from the front fin screw, allowing for that one inch.

If the center of lift of the wing is not at the midpoint, adjust with the A, B, and C positions on the switch fuse to get it there. This is really important.

Then, for the 7.0 Flyer, set the mast track at about 42" in front of the front fin screw. You will later fine-tune this setting until things work easily.

For starting out, leave off the rear footstraps, but definitely USE the front straps. They will locate your body position relative to the balance point. Your rear feet can hunt for the best position for balance, then you can later install the rear straps at this position.

A couple years ago I made a youtube about this. Since your mast is 90 degrees straight up and down, you don't need to use a 90 degree tool like I showed in the youtube.



I've never windfoiled but I'm interested. The equipment and balancing aspect is a bit overwhelming, especially if a person doesn't have the money to buy everything new.

I'm wondering about the significance of setting the center of the front wing between the footstraps, if beginners don't even use the rear straps. Is there a measure for the front strap in relation to the sail mast and front wing that is more important or useful? Or perhaps the center between front and rear strap is a good measurement not because of where your rear foot is, but because the rear strap locates a certain balance point of the board?

LeeD
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2 Sep 2019 2:17AM
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Without rear strap, your rear foot will find the balance point, once you become proficient.

LeeD
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3 Sep 2019 1:11AM
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And without ANY footstraps, your feet will find the straddling spot of the front foil...after numerous fails.

boardsurfr
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3 Sep 2019 1:34AM
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I'm wondering about the significance of setting the center of the front wing between the footstraps, if beginners don't even use the rear straps. Is there a measure for the front strap in relation to the sail mast and front wing that is more important or useful? Or perhaps the center between front and rear strap is a good measurement not because of where your rear foot is, but because the rear strap locates a certain balance point of the board?



Slingshots suggest to have the front wing in the center of your stance. Lots of foilers start using straps right away. Even if you leave some of the straps off, the strap position is still a good indication where your feet should be.

If you'd try to stand further forward, and could move the front wind accordingly, you might run into issues with the rocker of the board and the orientation of the wing. You'd push the middle of the board deeper into the water, so the front wing would be tilted downward a bit. The wing would try to dig deeper into the water, instead of climbing towards the surface. How large this effect is will depend on the board you're using. On boards that are short and have a lot of nose rocker (like many foil boards), the effect could be quite significant.

excav8ter
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4 Sep 2019 6:54PM
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Can anyone reccomend a smaller sail, in the 4.3-5.2 range that would be good for wind foiling? I am looking to add another sail to my Flyer 6.0, 7.0 and my Ezzy Cheetah 8.0. I'd like to get something with out spending $600+ again.

Or is my 6.0 going to be ok for 20-25 mph?

I'm 225 and 6'4", riding a Fanatic Falcon LW, soon to be a SS Levitator 160 with the i84 front wing.

boardsurfr
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4 Sep 2019 10:22PM
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PWA guys foils with 9 m sails in 30+ knots. Based on that, a 6.0 should be manageable for someone your size, even without PWA level skills.

The i84 could be more of an issue, since it gets unstable above ~ 15 knots speed. But I assume you have other front wings.

I was out yesterday in 16 mph gusting to 18. I would have usually rigged a 5.0 or 5.6 for these conditions (I'm about 195 lb), but was on a 6.5 because the wind was lighter when I rigged. To my surprise, I found the bigger sail very enjoyable, it felt like it would have handled more wind just fine. I think it's a bit like windsurfing: as we get better, the wind range of our sails gets larger. Except for foiling, it seems the range is quite a bit larger than for windsurfing .

excav8ter
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6 Sep 2019 9:36AM
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Managed to get out last night for an hour. Conditions were terrific all day, until I rigged up. Started with my 6.0 Flyer and i84 front wing, went out and immediately realized I need more sail. Went back and swapped for my 7.0 Flyer and thought I'd put the i99 front wing on too. To my dismay the holes for the mounting bolts are too small to allow the bolt heads to slide in properly and engage the threads of the retaining cap. (My i84 was very similar but I was able to find a knurled bolt that fit... TIGHTLY, but it fit.) So I bailed on the i99 and reinstalled the i84 and went out. I was able to get some good flights before the wind died off. Everything felt good. The new 48 rear wing seemed to help with lift, as well as overall stability.
Getting super anxious to get the SS Levitator 160 next week.

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P.S..... I was given permission to drill out the holes of the demo i99 wing to make it useable, I will probably do that tomorrow. Good breezes forecasted for tomorrow evening and Saturday all day. Here's hoping I can take advantage.



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