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Waves (video)

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Created by azymuth > 9 months ago, 27 Aug 2020
AlexF
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1 Sep 2020 8:50PM
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KDog said..
All the major foil makers have a plate mount some just don't offer it for their windsurfing mast yet. Naish only have plate mount for their boards and have really stepped up their game with the 2020 mast and fuse, MFC will have a new windsurf foil with plate mount to fit the new Goya 105 and soon to be released Quatro crossover. Moses ect. will have to keep up or lose market share. I was ready to buy the SS 115 freestyle but this new 114 wizard at 66cm wide has me rethinking a bit also the board can be used as a wing board and would save someone $$$ if they just wanted to wing occasionally


I won't rate the brands you mentioned offering "serious windfoils", meaning performance freeride/freerace windfoils.
These brands offer more beginner/surf/sup foils.

Gwarn
225 posts
1 Sep 2020 9:37PM
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At least in my personal opinion this is going to be the trend we see with the crossover boards.

* Short and thick

* Mast track move back closer to the foil mast for tighter turns

*Yes the tuttle is going to be a thing of the past for this style of riding

* Now that the kiters are crossing over to the wingding the industry is going to react quickly as opposed to just windsurfing

No matter how you look at this stuff it's cool good time to be riding...

Samkyo
88 posts
9 Sep 2020 2:06PM
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Interesting picture


azymuth
WA, 2031 posts
9 Sep 2020 7:25PM
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Viewing the Waves video again - I like the gybe on the wave.

It's not a simple move because you have to deal with the burst of acceleration and resultant foil lift as you turn back down the wave - while unbalanced switchfoot and flipping the sail.
A lot going on - Simon makes it look easy

Samkyo
88 posts
9 Sep 2020 8:54PM
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Hello, seeing you riding wave I got a question, how do you manage the passage of short close wave downwind?
few week ago I was riding with wizard 105 infinity 65 and a volt 4,5 with a wind gusting 30kts. When I was catching the wave, with the extra speed I was catching the one in front and passing trough and breaching.
how do you managing to avoid this?
thank you

thedoor
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9 Sep 2020 10:59PM
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Samkyo said..
Hello, seeing you riding wave I got a question, how do you manage the passage of short close wave downwind?
few week ago I was riding with wizard 105 infinity 65 and a volt 4,5 with a wind gusting 30kts. When I was catching the wave, with the extra speed I was catching the one in front and passing trough and breaching.
how do you managing to avoid this?
thank you


Hi Samkyo (sorry if this is stating the obvious)

For most waves, their "downhill" velocity is much slower than the speed you are probably carrying on the i65, so if you go in a "downhill" direction (ie straight down the face you will outrun the wave). Instead we use that speed to go "down the line" or across the wave. Even then you burn speed by turning on the face of the wave like wave sailors and surfers often need to do to stay in the pocket of the wave.


Samkyo
88 posts
9 Sep 2020 11:35PM
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Hello the door

thank you for the information, it make me realise I probably not use the proper word, it was not a breaking wave but more like a swell. using the technic that you explain will work, riding at higher reaching and going up and down instead of full downwind will try next time

thedoor
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9 Sep 2020 11:52PM
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Samkyo said..
Hello the door

thank you for the information, it make me realise I probably not use the proper word, it was not a breaking wave but more like a swell. using the technic that you explain will work, riding at higher reaching and going up and down instead of full downwind will try next time


Yeah I don't foil breaking waves. I just ride wind swell, probably similar to what you ride, but I apply the same principles.

Aside from the traditional wave sailing technique (where we use the rig to do more aggressive top and bottom turns) I also like to depower the sail and just ride the lift of the foil. Without as much sail power the board slows down and you can cruise along the face of the windswell but this works better if you have a foil that continues to lift at slower speeds eg infinity 76 or apollo 60.

Samkyo
88 posts
10 Sep 2020 2:06AM
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Thank you for the video I see a lot of point I need to improve as the one hand sail depower.

totally agree with I76 as I was using it at start on this day but the wind pick up and I change foil size instead of sail size

CoreAS
907 posts
10 Sep 2020 4:18AM
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Awesome vid JJ, you guys are very smooth, fantastic riding.
W130 for me, I kept looking and looking at the 114 but it's just a bit narrow for our light winds at 66 wide, but for your conditions it will be ideal
hoping to get the W130 in really soon? Looking forward to rolling out the sails again and ripping it up.

azymuth
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10 Sep 2020 11:25AM
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Samkyo said..Hello, seeing you riding wave I got a question, how do you manage the passage of short close wave downwind?
few week ago I was riding with wizard 105 infinity 65 and a volt 4,5 with a wind gusting 30kts. When I was catching the wave, with the extra speed I was catching the one in front and passing trough and breaching.
how do you managing to avoid this?
thank you



When you say breaching do you mean the 65 wing was dropping or coming out the water from too much lift?

For me the most fun downwind technique is to fly across the swell and when totally powered up in a gust carve a 90 degree turn direct downwind down the swell - pulling the clew of the sail in. Might be doing 20 knots through the turn and for up to 50m direct downwind but as you lose sail power carve back upwind and repeat.
The 65 wing works best powered up and it's heaps more fun s-turning like this than just de-powering and slowly pumping downwind like a winger


I hope you can see the technique from the track below.
Yesterday - NNW 20 knots, 1.5 to 2m windswells, 5m Simmer Tricera

Samkyo
88 posts
14 Sep 2020 9:36PM
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Hello Azymuth,

thank you for the extra info on technique.
for the breaching question here is a quick drawing showing the story




azymuth
WA, 2031 posts
14 Sep 2020 11:53PM
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Nice sketch Samkyo



Fast downwinding - it helps to preempt the swell acceleration/foil lift rather than react to it.
I use both straps downwind so transferring weight between my feet works for me.
With only your front foot in the strap move your back foot forward to counteract the lift from the swell acceleration.

In the downwinding pix below I'm throwing maximum weight over my front foot (and pulling down on the boom) to counter the foil lift from the acceleration of the swell (4), then moving my weight back as the swell energy diminishes in the trough (5).

Crazy how the efficiency of the foil (Infinity 65 wing) can harness boosts from these tiny 0.5m river windswells


Samkyo
88 posts
20 Sep 2020 12:47AM
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Thank you Azimuth will try next time

Samkyo
88 posts
20 Sep 2020 12:47AM
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Thank you Azimuth will try next time



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