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Created by saltyheaven > 9 months ago, 28 Sep 2015
saltyheaven
TAS, 507 posts
5 Feb 2016 4:03PM
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Awesome!

I had more than a few people contract me disappointed to have missed out on my DB2 that sold recently. I daresay if you can solve freight affordably then you'll have no trouble finding a buyer.

I hope you ride it at least a few times first though!

saltyheaven
TAS, 507 posts
5 Feb 2016 7:50PM
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Had the Lechner out in today's very solid and slightly angry breeze... Just a simply awesome board.

saltyheaven
TAS, 507 posts
7 Feb 2016 6:28PM
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Lechner video for the Mad Few....

This is yesterday; Dying tail of the Southeasterly that's been blowing. It's probably 10 knots in the video. I'm using my new Barracouta 8.4.

The action starts about 30 seconds in when I turn to head upwind.

handyman0708
QLD, 152 posts
7 Feb 2016 10:32PM
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Great video. These things are so rewarding when you have the wind on the nose and driving hard up wind. AND, you don't even need a lot of wind to be having fun. Great time in the water.

TwiceBitten
VIC, 22 posts
10 Feb 2016 8:17PM
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Hi all,

Think I mentioned a while ago I was interested in getting back on a Div2 board. I have been contacted by a guy that has a Davidson board for sale. So wondering, anybody know the Davidson well enough to tell me the Pros & Cons?

I have previously sailed for a season or 2 on a Renegade Div 2 (designed and made by Alpha builder in Melbourne, come to think of it might have been the only OZ Div 2) it was pretty unstable very round (no flats or hard turn in chine). Also sailed as previously mentioned a Elvstrom 320 Div 2, this was sailed for a season in open class with big sails, this board was very stable with heaps of volume (for a Div 2) ideal for sailing with big sails in long distance races. Also brief loans of Crit D2 and a few other older Div 2's.

So how does the Davidson compare?

saltyheaven
TAS, 507 posts
10 Feb 2016 10:47PM
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I don't know the Davidson, however whenever I hear it spoken about it is a positive, even glowing spin.
There are a bunch of guys on the 'open division 2' Facebook group that will be able to talk about the Davidson. It's a closed group but everyone is welcome so just put in a request to join then ask away.

saltyheaven
TAS, 507 posts
10 Feb 2016 10:48PM
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pavdivision2.blogspot.com/?m=1

Also, have a look here, there might be some information (in French):

AUS65
WA, 24 posts
11 Feb 2016 12:55PM
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I have a Davidson D11 currently. The board is fast uphill but not as quick as my old DB2 downwind. I could carve gybe the DB2, no such luck on Davidson yet (only have had the board since 1987).

The board is easy to ride (flatish under the mast) but round at the back. I had great race success on the DB2 but bought the Davidson for better light wind performance.

I am envious of the Lechner owners.



TwiceBitten
VIC, 22 posts
11 Feb 2016 7:45PM
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AUS65 said..
I have a Davidson D11 currently. The board is fast uphill but not as quick as my old DB2 downwind. I could carve gybe the DB2, no such luck on Davidson yet (only have had the board since 1987).

The board is easy to ride (flatish under the mast) but round at the back. I had great race success on the DB2 but bought the Davidson for better light wind performance.

I am envious of the Lechner owners.





Thanks for the info Aus 65, obviously you think the Lechner is the better board have you ridden one?

Are there any other Div2's still in WA, that's where I started out racing boards, Swan River is great for Div 2 sailing.

saltyheaven
TAS, 507 posts
11 Feb 2016 9:44PM
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I'm certainly happy to have made the switch from a DB2 to an a390.

However, that said, I was having an absolute blast on the DB2 and would have continued to for a long long time.

Grab that Davidson (presuming it is not unreasonably priced) and get out on the water building skills (or remembering skills!) and being seen. The Lechner will come your way in time. I'm quite sure that if I wasn't out virtually daily sailing a Div 2 I would not have got the call for my Lechner when it came available.



ps: I sold my DB2 in one hour and had a half dozen keen buyers contact me afterwards, I don't see why the Davidson should be any different when time comes to turn it around.



Davidson video in case you haven't found it. Certainly looks to be lacking nothing in this video.

AUS65
WA, 24 posts
12 Feb 2016 1:15PM
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Only remember about 10 D11s in W.A. in the mid 80s. The nationals were here in 84.
Generally Crit, DB2 and ones made from a mould designed by Andy Wight.
Yes - Swan great for D11 sailing.
Davidsons were made in Perth under license, but believe only 2 or three sold in W.A. The moulds ended up at the tip.
I think others have looked but not found any D11s recently.
Weather conditions in W.A.really promote slalom and wave sailing, not D11 - so not many around.

handyman0708
QLD, 152 posts
12 Feb 2016 7:28PM
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If anyone is looking for a DB11 copy, not original, that needs some work and is willing to pick up from Gold Coast PM me- price may be negotiable.

TwiceBitten
VIC, 22 posts
12 Feb 2016 9:41PM
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AUS65 said..
Only remember about 10 D11s in W.A. in the mid 80s. The nationals were here in 84.
Generally Crit, DB2 and ones made from a mould designed by Andy Wight.
Yes - Swan great for D11 sailing.
Davidsons were made in Perth under license, but believe only 2 or three sold in W.A. The moulds ended up at the tip.
I think others have looked but not found any D11s recently.
Weather conditions in W.A.really promote slalom and wave sailing, not D11 - so not many around.


Now you are testing my memory, I thought I left about spring 85 to race on East Coast (and sell Elvstrom boards), don't remember Nats in 84, but Brad Hiles allways beat me anyway, so maybe I wiped it from my memory? I was sailing on a Div 2 called a Renagade (which was designed and made in Melbourne) I guess I must have sold it to somebody over there.

I have just heard that some Davidson's where made in Perth, possibly by Ian Anderson, the guy I sold Elvstroms for, so it must have been after autum 86.

AUS65
WA, 24 posts
13 Feb 2016 10:49AM
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Yes, Ian Anderson made them in 1987 when it was thought they would be chosen as the Olympic board. I did a bit of training with Brad Hiles, Davidson vs db2, hence I know the superior downwind speed of the db2 in a breeze. The 1984 hats were straight after the windsurfer worlds. First regatta for me on division 1, Brad Hiles and Greg Johns battled it out in d2s.

TwiceBitten
VIC, 22 posts
13 Feb 2016 8:18PM
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AUS65 said..
Yes, Ian Anderson made them in 1987 when it was thought they would be chosen as the Olympic board. I did a bit of training with Brad Hiles, Davidson vs db2, hence I know the superior downwind speed of the db2 in a breeze. The 1984 hats were straight after the windsurfer worlds. First regatta for me on division 1, Brad Hiles and Greg Johns battled it out in d2s.


May not have been a differnce between DB2 and Davidson in downwind speed, Bad was allways quick downwind against me also and at speedtrials.

Did some research and I sailed Div1 at those Nats in 84, obviously didn't think I could beat Brad. I got second Div1, I have a feeling we may know each other, I'm Gary Maskiell.


TwiceBitten
VIC, 22 posts
13 Feb 2016 10:12PM
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Hi all,





Look what I dragged out of the shed.



TwiceBitten
VIC, 22 posts
13 Feb 2016 10:14PM
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And Sailed it.



saltyheaven
TAS, 507 posts
13 Feb 2016 10:52PM
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Woohoo! Awesome.


NelsonFoils
190 posts
13 Feb 2016 7:59PM
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The good old day's !!!

I sailed one (the full deck one) @ the Euro's in 1981 Harderwijk .

Still have the centreboards....

AUS65
WA, 24 posts
14 Feb 2016 5:56PM
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I was on the db2! Brad creamed me upwind. Yes, guest that it was you Gary.

NelsonFoils
190 posts
15 Feb 2016 6:41PM
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Centreboards for the Apha Phantom

TwiceBitten
VIC, 22 posts
16 Feb 2016 7:31PM
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Wow thats even older than the Phantom .

If I get another Div 2 board I was actualy thinking of cutting a footwell into the Phantom and using it as a speedy standup paddleboard for choppy water (it paddles well but is unstable because of the convex deck). While thinking of this I thought to myself a Professional would be the ideal cheap speedy SUP for choppy water, but I haven't seen a Professional since early 80's in WA and now here is one For Sale, seller has mentioned use as a SUP, so I am guessing that's why he thinks it has value. Interesting to see what happens price wise.

handyman0708
QLD, 152 posts
20 Feb 2016 8:02PM
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Putting this up if anyone is interested- does need some work but well and truly recoverable. Very negotiable on price.

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing-Boards/~vr7ec/Division-2-Doubleman-2-Db11-390-cm.aspx?search=iVVAl2umBXmHLC7VP1FIeA==

BSN101
WA, 2286 posts
20 Feb 2016 7:10PM
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anyone in WA got one (D2) thats not being used? Id like to try/buy one.
cheers Dave

Can10
173 posts
21 Feb 2016 12:49AM
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DB2 (or DB3) is one of the most performing D2 ever made! Do not underestimate it. You can align it without any complex beside Lechners, Davidson, Jaguar...

Behind it, but very close, still seats our old so popular Crit D2! that can make miracles in good hands.

Never forget that at the end of the day, sailor will make the difference.

If you Guys are really interested to regroup to ignite a D2 return in Australia, as it is currently happening in Europe (Div II European Championship in Brest, France, next August 22-27!) , we can try to charter a bunch of boards to you.

As a real incentive, one of your goals could be showing up at next World RCB in Brisbane...a make the News!

Think about it.

clarence
TAS, 979 posts
21 Feb 2016 8:30PM
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All this talk got me inspired to get my mistral D2 out from storage and give it a run.

It needs a bit of tidy up work (new finbox, mast foot area stiffening- maybe a mast track) but still sails nicely and is watertight.

What a blast.

I will get some action shots next time.

Clarence




Can10
173 posts
22 Feb 2016 7:45AM
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Fantastic Clarence! Bravo - Well done!

We want more actions, initiatives like this one...
This is the way you will be able to restart momentum

Future of D2s is, this time, in your hands. It will be as you want it to be!

We (at ID2CA) are here to help with any class rules & technical questions.

Whose next???

clarence
TAS, 979 posts
22 Feb 2016 9:26PM
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I'm thinking of cutting it into top and bottom, putting a bulkhead or rib under the mastfoot, doing all the essential works, then putting it back together.

I was wondering about options for sliding mast tracks (Bic or Starboard)?

Any thoughts?

It will be the first project for when my shed is finished (I need somewhere to do the work under cover).

There will be at least a few more outings before then, with some action photos as well.

These boards are bloody amazing- a whole "new" dimension to windsurfing.

Clarence

saltyheaven
TAS, 507 posts
22 Feb 2016 9:53PM
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Hi Clarence,

Speaking as a shipwright of 25 years: Unless there is an issue with the hull to deck (top to bottom) join I'd say leave it alone. It will be far easier for cut an access hole if you really need to work from the inside and repair the access hole afterward.
Don't know about mast track options except that when I was looking a while ago, RSX tracks were available and looked fine. (I didn't end up needing to replace the one I had.)

Looking forward to the action shots!

AUS18
QLD, 25 posts
22 Feb 2016 9:01PM
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I've got a Lechner up here on Hamilton Island, used it in twilight races against the yachts around the island with a wally sail, very fast, and would out point most yachts and would leave boat sailors bewildered at how a windsurfer could beat them in light winds.
I bought the board of Andrew {Ronald} Regan when l moved to the island 16 years ago and it is still in good condition. I love the consistent railing to windward and the challenge of sailing down wind.
Yeah It would be good to have a division for D2 at Brisbane Worlds as l don't have a Raceboard unfortunately but would love to be part of the event.
- Dennis.



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