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Is windsurfing popularity still declining?

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Created by SWS > 9 months ago, 11 Aug 2011
SWS
SA, 196 posts
11 Aug 2011 9:05AM
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If it is why do you think it is?
Will it make a come back?
What would make it more popular?

K Dog
VIC, 1847 posts
11 Aug 2011 10:28AM
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If it is why do you think it is?

Yes and no... and possibly.....

Yes, not many young dudes, as in 16-18 doing it.

No, some people who did do it in the 80's have or are coming back to it.

Possibly because not so sure we are targeting the youth of today for a long term investment in the sport. (Principle SKinners voice: "Prove me wrong kids - prove me wrong")

Will it make a come back?

It is a cool sport, as in it satisfies cool elements:

1. Speed - check
2. Jumps, tricks - check
3. Fun in the waves - check
4. Blasting - check

So based of the cool elements, I think yes it could, if it isn't already :P

What would make it more popular?

I think TV, media, extreme sports coverage... to pull younger audiences.... the use of GoPro's (and their 3D version) for better, cooler vision, water level cams, helicams (expensive)... It's all about media coverage.... Fox sports, Channel 1 etc.. Channel 31 (bring back "on the water")....

Some fun promos in front of the office workers during summer days, for example in Melbourne, if there was a good summer breeze, if some dudes blastered around the Yarra or Docklands with advertising for the sport, could pull some fans.... Same could be said for Sydney at Darling Harbour, or Brisbane River......

Obviously all things take a huge amount of time... and offer a certain amount of return... so I am just spit balling obviously, since the question didn't limit resources etc.... :P

And promo chicks (who can sail - free lessons for these girls of course)....

And docos (local) to return retired windsurfing dudes back to the water :P

AND... maybe its just me, but the designs are pretty old school for board graphics.... they should mix it up with stencil type street art prints... go easy on the fluros.... sure the 80's was fun, I too had to wear stupid fluro socks... but its past... its gone.... let go of the fluro :P

TimB
WA, 260 posts
11 Aug 2011 8:42AM
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In the 80's gear was cheap, colourful and relatively easy to sail (sub planning). 90's got expensive hard to sail, super professional with a focus high speed racing etc. Average joe lost interest because industry thought pros were king and did not support the average joe sailor with gear they could use. Same thing happened in surfing.

Surfing realised their mistake and changes direction and got people back. Windsurfing has still not leant its lesson. The industry still pumps out new gear each year even if it is still the same design as last year with new spray job and graphic design. Average Joe just wants to sail in value for money gear not have an arms race at the beach.

The future is kids and getting people back who use to sail. Every sailor know a guy or two who has 3 boards and a tonne of sails for the 80's but they no longer get out on the water. Why, it got to expensive and hard. When you convince one of them onto current gear they are off the nearest shop in a flash as the gear is now fun to sail. They get to a shop see prices and say "SCREW THAT".

As for kids, I would not fork out $4000 for one new rig to get a kid on the water. In terms of sports kids can do we are to the high end of cost of you want more than one rig.

legless
SA, 852 posts
11 Aug 2011 10:16AM
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The 2012 gear seems to be a lot more colourful.

I still think the entry cost is too high which discourages the young form getting into the sport.

petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
11 Aug 2011 9:02AM
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i know a couple of 14-16 year olds who are really into indoor sports big-time.

i offered to let them use my second rig for free,response was just a sigh.

kids these days are lazy,want everything on a plate.

windsurfing is more fun now,thanks to massive improvements in gear,especially the sails.

Al Planet
TAS, 1546 posts
11 Aug 2011 11:03AM
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Judging on how many PWA freestyle/slalom events there are I would say the sport is booming and the yanks have their own wave tour...amazing times particularly when it seems to have happened during a period of financial global turmoil.....and gear has never been cheaper.

Ercorn
QLD, 199 posts
11 Aug 2011 11:23AM
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Quite a few younger people windsurfing here in Wellington.

Actually, I think kite surfing is taking away alot of the younger ones that potentially could have become windsurfers.

Also, I think kitesurfing doesn't have such a steep learning curve as windsurfing,you can pretty much be up and going on a kite after a few hours so that also may detract from windsurfing.

I think the costs of getting into windsurfing are very high and that doesn't help the sport either.

I started out windsurfing in the 90's got into kitesurfing for awhile,but it didn't take me long to realise that I find my stoke in windsurfing,so now most of my spare time I spend windsurfing. In saying that I don't have a hell of alot of spare time anymore.

windaddict
VIC, 1121 posts
11 Aug 2011 11:46AM
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Ercorn said...

I think the costs of getting into windsurfing are very high and that doesn't help the sport either.



I think this is the number 1 reason why young kids are not getting in to it as much.

I remeber when I got into it, many years ago, I bought my first complete kit from the trading post for $540 and it was great back then. I realise that the tech has improved significantly with better materials etc, but still.....

K Dog
VIC, 1847 posts
11 Aug 2011 12:03PM
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I am not so sure young people are completely lazy.... just look at how committed they are with skating.... some of the tricks they are popping these daze are way more intricate than the hand plant and judo airs we used to pop back in the day... so with sports they like they are pretty persistant....

As far as cost goes... there are plenty of more expensive sports.... even just biking is expensive... a decent mountain bike or road bike could set you back 2 grand.... which is more than enough for beginner gear.... I got a complete setup for under $1000.... it wasn't s3xy... but did the job....

choco
SA, 4032 posts
11 Aug 2011 12:59PM
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maybe the brands should sell beginner kit at cost to the public, they might make no money from it right away but will pay big dividends down the track

izaak
TAS, 1973 posts
11 Aug 2011 2:04PM
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Definatly making a comback in Tassie but for younger people it is just too expensive, totally aggree with choco.

K Dog
VIC, 1847 posts
11 Aug 2011 2:38PM
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How can you smash out a cheap board like this:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Surfboard-NEW-70-Mini-Mal-Minimal-surf-epoxy-Fins-/250870678856?pt=AU_Sport_Surfing&hash=item3a690ec548

And sell it for 320 clams...?

Surely you could smash out cheap sailboards using epoxy?

Could be a good business idea for the shops here - use a basic board design (bit like the BIC's), use epoxy, go a sh1te load of colours to mix it up, smack on foot straps with 4 to 3 strap configurations, and use as a surf board as well.........

Just sayin - could be a winner


Look at this, a 9 foot board for 950 clams...

www.ebay.com.au/itm/SouthPoint-91-Epoxy-Longboard-Surfboard-/180700634261?pt=AU_Sport_Surfing&hash=item2a1298dc95

Back in the day Mals were damn expensive... epoxy has made things fun and cheap.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
11 Aug 2011 2:40PM
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Only a windsurfer would spend $1,000+ on windsurfing gear for their kid.

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
11 Aug 2011 12:55PM
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I think one way to grow its popularity would be to hold more "amateur" contests...IMO

WWA tried it last year with a couple of amateur wave contests/clinics, one at Wedge from memory, that had a really good turn out.

Its good to see the pro's, but a lot of people would like to compete in something a bit closer to their skill level ... triple forwards (any forwards actually) are somewhat out of my league.

K Dog
VIC, 1847 posts
11 Aug 2011 3:45PM
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grumplestiltskin said...

I think one way to grow its popularity would be to hold more "amateur" contests...IMO

WWA tried it last year with a couple of amateur wave contests/clinics, one at Wedge from memory, that had a really good turn out.

Its good to see the pro's, but a lot of people would like to compete in something a bit closer to their skill level ... triple forwards (any forwards actually) are somewhat out of my league.


+1

jermaldan
VIC, 1572 posts
11 Aug 2011 3:54PM
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There are a number of challenges that have to be sorted out to get people interested.

1/ Access to equipment - There should be relatively cheap rental in popular areas for people to have a go.

2/ Cost - even if someone likes windsurfing they can quickly get put off by the cost. There should be entry kit available at places like Amazon and Rebel sports that cost less than a grand.

3/ Learning difficulty - its not as easy as other sports so it needs plenty of time and commitment to get proficient. More beginner and intermediate events can encourage people to get out on to the water and though the tough elements of Planning, hooking in, getting in the straps and gibing. Once you have gotten good at these you are a windsurfer for life.

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
11 Aug 2011 4:04PM
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evlPanda said...

Only a windsurfer would spend $1,000+ on windsurfing gear for their kid.



You tell me about it !!!

Daughter (10) and son (12) both have a board and two sails each.... can only afford 2nd hand or "on sale" gear for myself now....

I agree that brands should have entry/beginner prices, my daughter's 2.5 pryde "one" + mast and boom was nearly as expensive as an adult's set....

NR
WA, 516 posts
11 Aug 2011 2:26PM
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If basing it on contests, I would say making a slight comeback from 5 years ago.

Reckon there are 2 main stumbling blocks for kids getting into windsurfing

a) Transportation of all the gear. Having to wait for parents to cart all their gear to the beach, until they get their own wheels is not cool. Unless your parents are doing it, it will be very hard for kids to get into for this reason. Surfing, jump on the bus or put on the bike. Skate anywhere, bike anywhere. Thats tough to compete with.

b) Suitable conditions. Saturday morning a kid can go skate, bike, or even really surf most weekends. Easy to do with your mates and can plan ahead. Windsurfing is a bit more about being an oportunist. Which again, is fine if you got wheels.

A very small % actually live anywhere where it is decent to sail. So it gets very little coverage, and then just starts to fade out of sight or from a young kids thoughts about what sports to start up.



TimB
WA, 260 posts
11 Aug 2011 3:41PM
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grumplestiltskin said...

I think one way to grow its popularity would be to hold more "amateur" contests...IMO

WWA tried it last year with a couple of amateur wave contests/clinics, one at Wedge from memory, that had a really good turn out.

Its good to see the pro's, but a lot of people would like to compete in something a bit closer to their skill level ... triple forwards (any forwards actually) are somewhat out of my league.


This season's calendar for WWA is taking shape and focused on inclusion and will be released in a month or so. Avalon and Wedge are back

TimB
WA, 260 posts
11 Aug 2011 3:43PM
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NR said...

If basing it on contests, I would say making a slight comeback from 5 years ago.

Reckon there are 2 main stumbling blocks for kids getting into windsurfing

a) Transportation of all the gear. Having to wait for parents to cart all their gear to the beach, until they get their own wheels is not cool. Unless your parents are doing it, it will be very hard for kids to get into for this reason. Surfing, jump on the bus or put on the bike. Skate anywhere, bike anywhere. Thats tough to compete with.

b) Suitable conditions. Saturday morning a kid can go skate, bike, or even really surf most weekends. Easy to do with your mates and can plan ahead. Windsurfing is a bit more about being an oportunist. Which again, is fine if you got wheels.

A very small % actually live anywhere where it is decent to sail. So it gets very little coverage, and then just starts to fade out of sight or from a young kids thoughts about what sports to start up.



Transport and cost is killer for kids.

Look at the rubbish the average Grom surfs in. The conditions are not important its showing off to your mates and getting away from Ma and Pa.

stanly
QLD, 307 posts
11 Aug 2011 6:14PM
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TimB said...

Every sailor know a guy or two who has 3 boards and a tonne of sails for the 80's but they no longer get out on the water. Why, it got to expensive and hard. When you convince one of them onto current gear they are off the nearest shop in a flash as the gear is now fun to sail. They get to a shop see prices and say "SCREW THAT".


I think the reality was we all got married and had kids, and it became all too difficult to get to the beach.
I came back once the kids were more independant. I don't think the price is restrictive when you take into account inflation over 20 years and the technology used now to design/make modern boards and sails. Still a hell of lot cheaper than buying a yacht.

Tried to get my kids into it and they were doing well, but as my son said "Dad, with windsurfing you have to wait around for the right weather, but with basketball or skateboarding you can just go and do it when ever you like"... I havent given up trying

I got into it in the 80's becuase all my friends were doing it and we lived 5mins from a great launch spot in Auckland- advantage then was you could get your full driving license at 15yo. I think if we lived near a surf beach we would have surfed.

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
11 Aug 2011 6:36PM
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the reason i gave it up back in the 90's was because it's so weather dependent, and couldn't justify the cost / sailable days as i was only a student at the time. and discovered another sport which i enjoyed more. .

back into it now though and loving it

jermaldan
VIC, 1572 posts
11 Aug 2011 6:55PM
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In Melbourne one of the stores has actually got a great concept they are putting in.

They have set up a membership, (just like in the Gym) so you just rock up and use the new demo kit as much as you want.

Saves carting it around and lost time rigging and packing up. And whats best is that they are located in St.Kilda one of the best locations you could dream of for a windsurfing store.

Mores stores should be getting their demo gear to popular locations like this. In summer you can set it up on the beach in the morning and just live off the hires.

confused
NSW, 175 posts
11 Aug 2011 7:21PM
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For those of us in Sydney ask yourself what you'd recommend if a 16 yr old asked you about getting in to windsurfing, as far as I know the options are:

1) teach them yourself but most of us don't have suitable gear to teach so need to hire it

2) learn to windsurf events run by WSS - good on WSS for doing this, thank you! - but they only happen every so often and only one session - took me much longer to learn. Totally fair that they aren't regular as funding if for WSS would e a challenge. As I say, a great initiative but not going to completely meet the challenge

3) balmoral school - don't know too much bout what they offer

A long way of saying that for the average 16 year old who dont have windsurf obsessed parents then it's a really naccesble sport.

I guess in an ideal world there would be more hire centers, maybe windsurf clubs with gear that young people can come along and use for a reasonable cost etc.. But i'm equally realistic that those can't of set ups can by done easily or cheaply and need some serious commitment and risk.

As I write this I have a feeling I've read about a group down at botany bay?

Any ideas on how to make the sport more accessible? I got a 15 ys old on a windsurf board a couple of weeks ago and had great fun teaching them, worryingly I got the feeling they would be better than me very quickly. Perhaps there is opportunity for some of us to get involved in making the sport more accessible?

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
11 Aug 2011 7:37PM
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confused said...



For those of us in Sydney ask yourself what you'd recommend if a 16 yr old asked you about getting in to windsurfing, as far as I know the options are:

1) teach them yourself but most of us don't have suitable gear to teach so need to hire it

2) learn to windsurf events run by WSS - good on WSS for doing this, thank you! - but they only happen every so often and only one session - took me much longer to learn. Totally fair that they aren't regular as funding if for WSS would e a challenge. As I say, a great initiative but not going to completely meet the challenge

3) balmoral school - don't know too much bout what they offer

A long way of saying that for the average 16 year old who dont have windsurf obsessed parents then it's a really naccesble sport.

I guess in an ideal world there would be more hire centers, maybe windsurf clubs with gear that young people can come along and use for a reasonable cost etc.. But i'm equally realistic that those can't of set ups can by done easily or cheaply and need some serious commitment and risk.

As I write this I have a feeling I've read about a group down at botany bay?

Any ideas on how to make the sport more accessible? I got a 15 ys old on a windsurf board a couple of weeks ago and had great fun teaching them, worryingly I got the feeling they would be better than me very quickly. Perhaps there is opportunity for some of us to get involved in making the sport more accessible?




Jason D, "jase### on Seabreeze" ran lessons all of last summer, affiliated with the Scouts group. I suspect he may be doing it again next season. I and a few other voulunteered to help with lessons and many Seabreezers donated old gear. This was also supported by WSS and a few of the manufactuers through donation of gear. Its initiatives like this that help to get the younger generation into the sport. From I saw and heard all of the kids were making great progress and the last lessons included a wave sailing camp at Gerroa.

FlickySpinny
WA, 657 posts
11 Aug 2011 5:59PM
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Not declining.

Very stable in Europe and the USA, and probably increasing in Australia despite a couple of rubbish seasons. We're seeing the guys who left the sport when they got married and had kids coming back... and hopefully bringing their kids with them.

lanky
QLD, 213 posts
11 Aug 2011 8:10PM
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If it is why do you think it is?
Stagnant at the moment but lots of potential for growth.

Will it make a come back?
Hopefully

What would make it more popular?
Pushing Freestyle - especially for the young generation 1 board 3 sails gets you throwing tricks in all weather.
Lower Prices - I know it's holding back a number of young guys over here from getting on gear good enough to really improve. I spend most of my student income on my windsurfing gear.
Graphics won't make a big difference I mean maybe general graphics like brighter colours that mean windsurfers are more visible on the water but most people won't pick a sport based on colour schemes.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
11 Aug 2011 8:52PM
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"Not declining" = not declining since last week or last year sort of a thing.

"Sport is doing great" = by people who haven't lived the great years and seen real numbers. But that was long ago - Capper could jump then and Wally Lewis could still run.

"Old timers coming back" = if that's true, then almost implies the sport will die within 10 years.

Anyhow, individual sailors don't teach anymore: too busy, don't care, solipcism, whatever. Used to be everyone would teach anyone - and enjoy it too. Funny how generations change...

Yes the new Generation is very lazy. Only a small % do tricks at skating or are regularly active, the rest plays video games. When they do pick up something, it has to be easy, effortless and fast.

I personally take 3-5 learners every summer - personal thing here. Hand picked, no lazy b***d. It is fun, greatly rewarding. I got one going just last week and she was screaming like crazy (in about zero knots) - good for her.

I teach on days when the wind would be too **ty for me to sail anyways, so may as well have fun and socialise. Gotta pick the right people, that's all. About 2/3 end up getting their own gear.

That won't change the world, but my goal is not to crowbar people away from video games (or other easy-to-learn activities). I'm just happy passing on the passion.

slalomfreak
NSW, 304 posts
11 Aug 2011 11:37PM
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If kids over 13 have to hang out with their parents to learn how to windsurf thats very very uncool.
Target group is the over 18's with their own wheels.
Problem is they have got to want to do it.
Make it cool again and they will come.
With so much grey hair at the ws beach can it ever be cool?

P.C_simpson
NSW, 1489 posts
12 Aug 2011 1:40AM
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What do you mean declining, over here in W.A i always sail with at least 5 people in winter, in summer at some spots you cant even get a car park to actually go sailing, crowded spots don't show any sign of declining and there are heaps of young guys and girls sailing here.

And no bright colours, have you seen any new surfboards? fluro everywhere, even wetsuits are running the fluro again..

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
12 Aug 2011 12:29AM
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There's plenty of really good 2nd had gear out there at reasonable prices for beginners.

At Windsurfing Perth, if you buy your beginners' gear there then Reg will trade it back for the same money on your upgrades as you improve. This on the assumption that the gear is in roughly the same condition as when you bought it. My son got started on about $1,000 worth of 2nd hand stuff, but then had only small incremental steps as he wanted better gear.

If that was the norm everywhere then it'd make it quite a cheap sport.



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