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Created by Leech > 9 months ago, 13 Nov 2007
Leech
WA, 1933 posts
13 Nov 2007 7:13PM
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Would he have gotten different responses if he posted in the windsurfing forum?

Pointman
WA, 435 posts
13 Nov 2007 7:32PM
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Absolutely....the responses would have been biased toward windsurfing!!

Having said that I'll be interested to see how many regular windsurfers 'dabble' in kiting

Mark _australia
WA, 22287 posts
13 Nov 2007 8:11PM
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Veerrrrrrry different

Combs
WA, 152 posts
13 Nov 2007 9:35PM
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If I could get the same buz out of something that was easier to rig up and cart around, I probably would. In winter when a mate and I attempt very poorly to surf, the most wonderful thing about it is pulling the plank off the roof and just throwing it in the water. No mucking around.

Once in the water though I am pining for my sail. I couldn't be bothered with all those lines though.

My wife rides a horse. I used to, but wouldn't go anywhere near one nowadays. She doesn't like getting wet. My friend loves golf, while my gear sits in my shed gathering dust (sound familiar?).

Windsurfing is not perfect; nor is it the be-all-and-end-all. It isn't perfect, but I love it and for the forseeable future it is my bag. If someone else loves kiting as much, good on you and may have you many happy hours with it.

These things are like music. What appeals to me now and in the future will be very different; and will be very different from what my friends like.

Thank the Gods we are all different and want to change and adapt through our lives.

Now bring on the wind so we can all have some fun.

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
14 Nov 2007 12:01AM
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I think that its much as Combs said "Its horses for courses". I love sailing and for me windsurfing is the purest form of sailing. Some will understand that (the fortunate few) others may not, but for me that is their loss. I did try kiting but for me being dragged along by a string just doesn't equate as sailing.
If anybody gets as much pleasure from kiting, surfing, or playing golf as I get from sailing then they are going to have a lot of fun.
But you also have to admit that it fun to tease the teabaggers.

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
13 Nov 2007 11:42PM
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Well I haven't tried kiting yet, but I will give it a go. Part of that is about having something (maybe) to share with the kids. They don't kitesurf but they don't windsurf either. Kitesurfing is trendy so they may find it attractive enough to get into it.

I've had reservations about the safety of kiting. You do have to be more careful. There seems to be a culture of safety though so I'm less concerned than I was. I wish I had access to some actuarial stats though.

I find it hard to imagine that, having been so focused on w/s and with so much left to learn that I would switch completely. The romance has worn but It wont ever entirely disappear. What's more w/s is therapeutic and I need therapy. "As breathing is my life, to stop I dare not dare".

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
14 Nov 2007 12:24AM
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NotWal said...



I find it hard to imagine that, having been so focused on w/s and with so much left to learn that I would switch completely.


that's probably it for most of those who love to windsurf. personally, the fact that the tricks take so long to learn is what keeps me interested. Unfortunately the really exciting windsurfing tricks tend to be "all or nothing" tricks where you can't slow them down or hang for longer in the air to learn them, and you either commit completely or you pike out. i'd guess the result is not many people get good at the tricks, so the tricks are rarely seen by the majority who might like doing it if they saw it - and then on the other end of the spectrum are the many folk who windsurf for years and years and barely get beyond gybing and chop hopping, decide to take up kiting, and become overnight experts at kiting??

I say!! I'm gonna invent a special parachute that pops out the top of the mast so that you can jump off a wave, dangle for a while like a kite so you can practice the maneuver, and land gently. I'll patent it and call it the haircut hangtime extender trick practice parachute



anyway, come QLD christmas to end of january when we get that month of depressing 8 - 12 knot days of unwinwindsurfable conditions i can see the kite coming back out again. Though looking at our wierd weather pattern so far, maybe we will have the bestest windiest january ever


vando
QLD, 3416 posts
14 Nov 2007 12:58AM
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The thing with windsurfing there's so many different aspects to it eg. Wave, Freestyle, Slalom, Speed, Formula and everyone likes to do differnt things.
I have friends that kite they aske me why dont you try kiting I well I love windsurfing so why change. Besides I do allot of racing so thats something the kiting doest really offer. But each to there own.
ta Vando

MintoxGT
WA, 975 posts
14 Nov 2007 12:36AM
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Nice thread guys, a good read.

Cheers GT

P.C_simpson
NSW, 1489 posts
14 Nov 2007 10:17AM
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Hi Guys.
I learned to kite over the winter, i've been windsurfing since the mid 80.s, the gear is at my disposal any time i like so i thought why not, it's a way different sport, i've had a few runs behind a wake boat over the past year and kiting is kinda like wakeboarding, same sensation without the boat leaving oil slicks in the water. i figure i would learn to do it, then make up my mind about the sport.
Conclusion.. for light wind it's fun, gets me on the water when it's sunny and warm.. on the plane.. it's easy on your body, a 2 1/2 hour wave sailing session it equivalent to a day of kitesurfing...... as for doing it full time instead of windsurfing? no way, first wave i caught this summer on my wave gear, made me smile and realise why i put up with all that waiting and wingeing from myself and sailing buddies for the last 4 months (you know who you are). and i just bought a new smaller wave board woohoo...
I will be kiting a bit over summer when it's a nice day and not enough wind to rig up my wave gear, but my sailing will always come first, over everything..

wave knave
306 posts
14 Nov 2007 10:13AM
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P.C_simpson said...

Hi Guys.
I will be kiting a bit over summer when it's a nice day and not enough wind to rig up my wave gear, but my sailing will always come first, over everything..


hahahahaha!!!

thats what i said too...

beware the dark side

peto
NSW, 406 posts
15 Nov 2007 8:36PM
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I dont know why kiters even go out in the surf, they cant ride waves for poo compared to windsurfing. Every time i see a kiter do a jump (float) in the surf it looks pathetic. The stuff kites do on flat water looks way better than in the surf. Stick to the lakes and ****off from the surf kites!

stamp
QLD, 2770 posts
15 Nov 2007 9:12PM
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peto said...

I dont know why kiters even go out in the surf

because with the kite 25 metres away from you, and only the bar in your hands, it feels more like surfing than slogging it out with a mast, boom and sail in your face.

and you can ride a normal poly surfboard, instead of trying to bottom turn a sluggish half ton pole board you can actually snap the board around with a kite

and i agree, floaty jumps do look pathetic and have no place in the waves

peto
NSW, 406 posts
16 Nov 2007 12:09AM
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Stamp mate,
Ok look at Kauli Seadi, he rides a board that is not much bigger than a normal thruster surfboard, he absolutley rips the **** out of a wave, stays in the pocket and looks like he is riding the wave. Polakow, where do you start, the bloke demolishes every wave he rides. I see wavesailing as its own sport. You have ariels, roundhouse cutbacks, snaps and cracks of the lip. Wavesailing is not surfing, instead its WAVESAILING. What is kiting- its trying to claim that its surfing and that it looks the same or better then surfing. Get ****ed, it looks worse. The best guys in the world that kite surf, actually SURF better than they do when they ride a wave kiting...why kite with no straps??!!!!Kiting has ****all diverstity. Do it on a lake, dont try and ride a wave, it looks kooky. Ben Wilson has a career on riding waves on a kite, yet the bastard looks better when he SURFS not riding a wave kitesurfing. I dont get it.

Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
15 Nov 2007 10:31PM
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stamp said...

peto said...

I dont know why kiters even go out in the surf

because with the kite 25 metres away from you, and only the bar in your hands, it feels more like surfing than slogging it out with a mast, boom and sail in your face.

and you can ride a normal poly surfboard, instead of trying to bottom turn a sluggish half ton pole board you can actually snap the board around with a kite

and i agree, floaty jumps do look pathetic and have no place in the waves



Slogging it out with a mast, boom and sail in your face?
Bottom turning a half ton pole board?
Sounds like you have been taking your formula gear out in the surf?
My 70L Evo weights 6.2kgs and I have no trouble with snapping the board around with my 4m sail

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
16 Nov 2007 1:15AM
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Haircut said...

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anyway, come QLD christmas to end of january when we get that month of depressing 8 - 12 knot days of unwinwindsurfable conditions



oh no, looks like it's here already

555
892 posts
16 Nov 2007 7:31AM
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stamp said...
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and you can ride a normal poly surfboard, instead of trying to bottom turn a sluggish half ton pole board you can actually snap the board around with a kite
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Half ton eh... sounds like one of those old plastic longboards.. Did it have a centreboard?

Anything (even formula gear) would feel more like surfing than riding one of those in the waves with a non-battened full fabric sail on a one piece fibreglass mast while wearing flouro budgie smugglers.

If it's all about "feeling like surfing", then go surfing!

Peto was on the money - wavesailing is not 'wannabe surfing' it's a whole different thing. The waves add a different element to windsurfing entirely. I am yet to see a kiter who does something on a wave that they couldn't do just as well on flat water. (apart from trashing their kites in breaking waves of course)

stamp
QLD, 2770 posts
16 Nov 2007 8:58AM
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it really doesn't matter to me what you ride. if you're out on the water with a smile on your mug, i'm stoked for you. everyone has different opinions, we will never all agree.
its only the 1% arrogant bull**** attitudes like peto's "stick to the lakes and **** off from the surf kites" that cause problems. a bit of mutual respect on the water and especially in the surf will lead to happy sailing for everyone.
if you get pissed off because there are kites in the lineup maybe you should stay on the beach

wave knave
306 posts
16 Nov 2007 9:48AM
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stamp said..


and i agree, floaty jumps do look pathetic and have no place in the waves





but the big floaty jumps sure are fun though.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
16 Nov 2007 2:12PM
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All you can do under a kite is an endless variety of a 360. front-side grad, rail grab, mute grab, inverse etc etc. Freestyle windsurfing is sooo much better to watch as there is the all the stuff you can do with the rig. That said you don't windsurfers doing tricks as often as a kiter.

To give kiters their due in the surf though I've seen them get tubed. Which is next to impossible on a windsurfer.

As for kites being easier to setup, I'm not sure. I've take my son down to watch them at the beach one day, after half an hour we got tired of waiting and went back to our spot on the beach. An hour later they (it always seems to take 2 people) were still dry.

Reminds me of the old Surfer vs Bodyboard arguments 20 years ago. Both are still popular.

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
16 Nov 2007 2:19PM
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I am starting to think that it is not the actual difference between the two disciplines that makes one preferable over the other. It is the difference in the Culture of two wherin lies the difference. Reading from the kite forum I am going to stick with windsurfing. Kiting culture seems selfish boorish and arrogant.

shi thouse
WA, 1137 posts
16 Nov 2007 12:56PM
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The bottom line is why not give it a go? I have no intention of letting go of my windsurfing gear as I have put too much time, effort and money into it. The other thing is that when I go sailing with my mates I want to be there with them on my sailing gear with them.

Plenty of people out there willing to criticize each others sports yet not try and find out what its all about.

Besides, my wife said I was allowed...

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
16 Nov 2007 1:39PM
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Half ton eh... sounds like one of those old plastic longboards.. Did it have a centreboard?

Anything (even formula gear) would feel more like surfing than riding one of those in the waves with a non-battened full fabric sail on a one piece fibreglass mast while wearing flouro budgie smugglers.



Well I'm offended.
I feel it is unfair of you to talk about me behind my back like this!
"why are people so unkind." (quote- Kamahl )

P.C_simpson
NSW, 1489 posts
16 Nov 2007 3:45PM
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I must say, some kiters have no idea whats going on around them, these are the ones who need to stay the hell away from the sailors in the surf, then there are the guys who kite in the line up with the sailors and you wouldn't even know they are there, i think if someone on the water is sailing or kiteing and they do something wrong, like drop in or make up there own rules, say something on to them on the beach. they will more than likely not do it again. abusing people on the water is so not cool, unless they persist then go nuts and give it to them..
Rideing in the surf? windsurfing wins hands down...

X-man
WA, 325 posts
16 Nov 2007 3:51PM
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Kitesurfing in waves is nice because you don't have to paddle for them and wait all the time, it's tow surfing with the wind. When you get good at it while you ride the wave its like the kite isnt even there, then it gets used again to take you back to the line up.. In that sense, riding waves with a kite is surfing. Doing tricks and stuff off the waves suspended at the end of lines is kiting.
In windsurfing you get your speed from the sail to jump, do loops, catch waves, do tricks, etc... I agree it is its own sport, thats why i love it too .

firiebob
WA, 3145 posts
16 Nov 2007 4:33PM
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Some of my best mates at the beach are windsurfers turned Tea Baggers, they love it, and good on them but it's not for me, I love what I do with no interest to change at all.
At the end of the day over a beer, I'll listen to their stories about doing handle pass cr*p, then I'll tell them about my day, every ones happy and why not

But for the guys who think we should change over because it's getting so popular, remember the number of gays is increasing, but I'm not trying that either

DL
WA, 658 posts
16 Nov 2007 4:34PM
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frant said...

I am starting to think that it is not the actual difference between the two disciplines that makes one preferable over the other. It is the difference in the Culture of two wherin lies the difference. Reading from the kite forum I am going to stick with windsurfing. Kiting culture seems selfish boorish and arrogant.


I think the difference in culture stems from the pedigree of the two sports.

Windsurfing is strongly related to surfing and sailing.
Kitesurfing however seems to be more related to skateboarding and wakeboarding.

I wrote a long diatribe about the difference in culture between these activities, but it got a bit acidic, so I deleted it.

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
16 Nov 2007 4:45PM
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DL said...

I wrote a long diatribe about the difference in culture between these activities, but it got a bit acidic, so I deleted it.


Just sprinkle a bit of baking soda on it. When the ph level goes up to 6 or above it is suitable for publishing.

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
16 Nov 2007 4:57PM
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Geez, look at that. I've done more posts this week than in my entire life!
This could mean only one of the following;

1. Somebody changed my medication.

2. My tax returns are due and I don't feel like doing them.

3. I feel I have some deep and meaningful contribution to make to this site for the betterment of mankind.

4. I have finally gone saline and thought there were lots of people out there who cared even a little bit about my point of view.

For those who picked "2." above as the reason, you win the prize, which is one empty beer can, suitable for recycling.

I took a whole week off to do my tax returns. So far I have been surfing 4 times, windsurfing twice, (maybe 3 times if it picks up a bit more), dismantled my biro 3 times, read about 500 posts on seabreeze, and posted 50 more. (well it seems like 50) and spent about 2 hours on my tax. And here it is friday afternoon already. Doh! And my tax is nowhere near done.
Somebody shoot me.

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
16 Nov 2007 5:10PM
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Hey DL,
I forgot to add, by the look of your photo on your avatar, those Ugly pills you are taking are finally begining to work so you should ease up on the dosage. You can have have too much of a good thing you know.

(well I know some people might think that's unkind, but if your friends wont tell you then who will?)

DL
WA, 658 posts
16 Nov 2007 5:21PM
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Ugly pills?

I am actually taking beauty pills. You should have seen me before...



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