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Created by NewKy > 9 months ago, 31 Jul 2012
NewKy
11 posts
31 Jul 2012 6:26PM
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Hello, I returned from Lago di Garda, Italy a week ago where I tried windsurfing for a first time in my life. I absolutely fell in love with the sport so the first thing I did when I returned was buying a gear. After my euphory weared off and my sanity returned, I noticed that this is in my garage:


2001 Fanatic Bee 124 litres

Mistral 5.9 sail

all the rig components I need to get going (everything new, I bought it with the sail and the guy in the shop trimmed it for me and explained everything, so I should be able to set it up properly)

some Rip Curl neoprene


Now the thing is I had something huge under my feet on Lago di Garda and the 124 l Bee looks pretty unstable for my 80 kg (cca 178 lbs) of weight. I tried to get on it last Sunday without sails (just the board on the water) and it didnt feel THAT bad, but I couldnt actually stand on it - I always ended in a water.

Next weekend is the first time Im gonna get all the equipment to my local WS-friendly lake and Im pretty determined to spend hours in water trying to get on the board and rise the sail, but TBH Im also pretty scared that I bought the wrong gear.

Long story short:

Is it possible for basically an absolute newbie with weight of 80 kg (cca 178 lbs) to learn windsurfing on a 124 l freeride board?

bearhoover
TAS, 708 posts
31 Jul 2012 8:46PM
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Yes, however you will gain a lot more if you can score a 200L board... even if you only had it for 2 weeks of hard core sailing it would dramatically improve your balance.

Once your sorted a 124L will be a big board for an 80kg rider... it will just be a slightly more frustrating learning curve!

decrepit
WA, 12166 posts
31 Jul 2012 7:40PM
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In ideal conditions it won't be too bad, ie flat water and steady light to medium wind.
It doesn't matter that you can't stand on the board without the rig.
The rig with a bit of steady wind in it adds enormously to stability, once you've learned a bit of sail control.
It may pay to practice uphauling on the beach, until you have it down pat, the transition between rope and boom is always the tricky bit. Also practise sheeting the sail in and putting your weight on the boom, hang on with your front hand and control sail power with your back hand.
It's learning these skills that will be harder on a smaller board, if you can do it on the beach a bigger board won't be necessary

PS don't forget to do this in both directions!!!
That's one of the downsides of learning to windsurf, you have to do everything twice!

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
31 Jul 2012 10:10PM
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You fell in love with the right sport - each and every outing has twice the excitement of the one before.

Like the other guys said, yes it's possible on a 124, but will require patience. However it's gonna be rewarding. Regarding balance on a 124, don't worry, it's actually easier to stand on as you try to uphaul, than just stand there. Most of us couldn't just stand on there.

Now, on top of the advice given above, I would add: learn on an on-shore or side-shore wind. DO not venture on an offshore wind, will take you out to sea, and too difficult to learn then. First 10 outings: pick the right conditions, even if you have to wait out.

Tying the booms: I find it's easier to teach with the booms not too high, i.e. slightly above armpits. Once you get going, you'll tie them higher, but not too high for the time being.

If you're in Sydney, Narrabeen, Balmoral and places in B-Bay are the right to find flat, friendly on-shores, depending on the time of the year. Narrabeen mostly in the winter.

Ask advice once there - friendly bunch...

evilC
QLD, 674 posts
31 Jul 2012 10:11PM
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Might be worth getting a couple of lessons on your gear to get you going.

NewKy
11 posts
31 Jul 2012 8:13PM
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Thank you guys for your replys, so my gear is hopefully not a completely flawed choice for a noob afterall. Its good to know that Im doing it maybe the hard way, but definitely not the near-impossible way.

decrepit: You mean standing on the board on the beach or practicing just with rig on a shore? (probably standing on the board on the beach, but Im a bit worried if it will not break under my feet when its not in the water)

kpb
QLD, 239 posts
31 Jul 2012 10:40PM
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I am a newbie to the sport also,I have a 150l board but it is 87cm wide at 100kgs I find the width really helps.I also go out in lighter winds to learn my tacs and gybes that also let's me know where I can and can't stand on my board

decrepit
WA, 12166 posts
31 Jul 2012 10:04PM
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NewKy said...

>>>>>>>>

decrepit: You mean standing on the board on the beach or practicing just with rig on a shore? (probably standing on the board on the beach, but Im a bit worried if it will not break under my feet when its not in the water)


Easier with the rig in the board, dig a hole for the fin, (or leave it off is probably better), as long as the board is supported evenly under your feet by the sand, there's no worries.

stroppo
WA, 729 posts
31 Jul 2012 10:52PM
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A great choise in the fork of the road windsurfing will give you so much pleasure 4 the rest of your life remember keep your back square 2 the wind when uphauling once you can keep your balance holding the sail with a small amount of back hand pressure and your front arm stiff and strong and you are going forward try tilting the rig forward towards the nose and you will go away from the wind and if you tilt it back you will go towards the wind thats your basic steering but you might allready know that dont expect 2 improve straight away it dose take practice and is proberbly on of the hardest sports 2 learn but lifes full of challenges and dont let this one beat you we all strugled as much as each other but the rewards are awesome and all the windsurfing crew are very approchable and allways willing 2 guide you along the way happy days ahead

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8023 posts
1 Aug 2012 1:00AM
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decrepit said...

In ideal conditions it won't be too bad, ie flat water and steady light to medium wind.
It doesn't matter that you can't stand on the board without the rig.
The rig with a bit of steady wind in it adds enormously to stability, once you've learned a bit of sail control.
It may pay to practice uphauling on the beach, until you have it down pat, the transition between rope and boom is always the tricky bit. Also practise sheeting the sail in and putting your weight on the boom, hang on with your front hand and control sail power with your back hand.
It's learning these skills that will be harder on a smaller board, if you can do it on the beach a bigger board won't be necessary

PS don't forget to do this in both directions!!!
That's one of the downsides of learning to windsurf, you have to do everything twice!

I'm assuming you mean standing on the board with rig attached? If so make sure you are on a sandy beach and dig a hole for the fin or remove it or do it on soft grass with fin removed..Modern boards can get damaged easily on rocks , stones etc.Oops noticed Decrepit has already covered this.

joe windsurf
1480 posts
1 Aug 2012 7:53AM
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i actually have a Fanatic BEE LTD 124 and use it for bigger winds {over 20 mph/knots} since I am a heavyweight of 100 kilos
i use it with sails 7-oh and 6.3

i tried like you did - stand on board with no rig - impossible for a heavyweight
tried to uphaul it traditional way ie feet equidistant from mast base - almost impossible
now can uphaul it with front foot just in front of mast base and back foot further back
things i have suggested to others is - find balance point on board and put mast base close to it - for uphauling
now i water start this board and reserve uphauling for emergencies
it is a very good board and will serve you well !!!

hope you learn to love the sport as much as i do

if you buy a bigger board to start, KEEP this one - it will be your go-to board with your weight

good winds
joe windsurfer

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
1 Aug 2012 10:11AM
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bearhoover said...

Yes, however you will gain a lot more if you can score a 200L board... even if you only had it for 2 weeks of hard core sailing it would dramatically improve your balance.

Once your sorted a 124L will be a big board for an 80kg rider... it will just be a slightly more frustrating learning curve!


But who's going to buy a 200l board for just 2 weeks? It's a steep learning curve and a 124l will be fine very shortly, and for the next year or two after that. Instead of learning on a big floaty with a small sail I kinda wish I'd learnt starting with a waterstart in good winds, which is far more like real windsurfing and probably takes 1-2 days to learn. And once you can waterstart you have sail control.

What decrepit said; the sail balances you with enough wind. That's the trick.

Wollemi
NSW, 349 posts
1 Aug 2012 10:16AM
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Alot of technical info about the 2001 Fanatic Bee 124L here, about 2/3rd's of the way down this blog by a bloke in Canada.

joewindsurfer.blogspot.com/2008/11/how-i-started-shortboarding.html

NewKy
11 posts
1 Aug 2012 6:49PM
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Wollemi said...

Alot of technical info about the 2001 Fanatic Bee 124L here, about 2/3rd's of the way down this blog by a bloke in Canada.

joewindsurfer.blogspot.com/2008/11/how-i-started-shortboarding.html


Thanks! Thats exactly the board I have.

Well I cant wait to get to the water, too bad my job doesn't allow me to train during the week. I will definitely post a report and probably will have some more questions next week

decrepit
WA, 12166 posts
1 Aug 2012 7:20PM
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evlPanda said...

>>>>>>. Instead of learning on a big floaty with a small sail I kinda wish I'd learnt starting with a waterstart in good winds, which is far more like real windsurfing and probably takes 1-2 days to learn. And once you can waterstart you have sail control.

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Learning to waterstart first can be faster, I like teaching this way my self, but I'm not sure it's possible without constant help from an instructor who knows what they're doing.
Certainly the 124 Bee is almost ideal to start this way.

decrepit
WA, 12166 posts
1 Aug 2012 7:23PM
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sboardcrazy said...

>>>>.Oops noticed Decrepit has already covered this.



Only at my 2nd attempt but, it's getting easier and easier to leave out important info.

NewKy
11 posts
6 Aug 2012 9:11PM
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The first weekend of windsurfing on my own gear is over!

I must say the beginnings were quite tough (whole Saturday was mostly about uphauling & swimming ), but Sunday afternoon I was standing on the board with my sail full of wind cruising at moderate speed. Im going to start working on jibes next weekend.

decrepit
WA, 12166 posts
6 Aug 2012 9:46PM
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Nice one NewKy, bet that feels good.

NewKy
11 posts
6 Aug 2012 11:21PM
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decrepit said...

Nice one NewKy, bet that feels good.


Thanks! I got still a LONG way to go though

Willy Sailor
242 posts
6 Aug 2012 11:38PM
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Are you still dreaming at night about flying over the water , and skipping over the waves ......
I am it it been 6 months for me

NewKy
11 posts
7 Aug 2012 1:24AM
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billyboy402 said...

Are you still dreaming at night about flying over the water , and skipping over the waves ......
I am it it been 6 months for me


I dont think I will ever be able to ride jaws etc. This is about where I want to realistically get eventually (skill-wise):



[}:)]

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8023 posts
7 Aug 2012 9:49AM
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evlPanda said...

bearhoover said...

Yes, however you will gain a lot more if you can score a 200L board... even if you only had it for 2 weeks of hard core sailing it would dramatically improve your balance.

Once your sorted a 124L will be a big board for an 80kg rider... it will just be a slightly more frustrating learning curve!


But who's going to buy a 200l board for just 2 weeks? It's a steep learning curve and a 124l will be fine very shortly, and for the next year or two after that. Instead of learning on a big floaty with a small sail I kinda wish I'd learnt starting with a waterstart in good winds, which is far more like real windsurfing and probably takes 1-2 days to learn. And once you can waterstart you have sail control.

What decrepit said; the sail balances you with enough wind. That's the trick.


The main criteria for progression will probably be how much wind you get where you live and how often you can get out.How much TOW ( time on the water ) you get to practise in ideal conditions.
If you get 15kts consistent plus every day or weekend it will be a lot quicker to learn than if you get the occasional puff of 15kts once a month.

xarvia
TAS, 144 posts
7 Aug 2012 10:17AM
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NewKy said...
Is it possible for basically an absolute newbie with weight of 80 kg (cca 178 lbs) to learn windsurfing on a 124 l freeride board?


You're going to love this sport! I started about a year ago. After a few sails on a big 80s board, I bought a 2003 120L Fanatic Cross with a 6.6m sail (I weigh about 10kg more than you). I wasted a few session trying to learn to uphaul it, but things went much more quickly once I started sailing in knee-waist deep water and only doing beach starts.

Slowly moving into deeper water, I got the hang of water starts after about ten sessions, about the same time as footstraps and harness lines. Once you get the hang of planing in footstraps & harness you won't be able to get the smile off your face!

About nine months later I finally cracked 30knots (albeit with a Isonic 94L and at a speed spot). :-)

I have neglected to develop my gybing and tacking skills as planing on long tacks is far too much fun... I suspect on a wider board I would have got the hang of carving gybes by now.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
8 Aug 2012 1:55PM
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xarvia said...

I have neglected to develop my gybing and tacking skills as planing on long tacks is far too much fun... I suspect on a wider board I would have got the hang of carving gybes by now.



Do not underestimate the power of a good gybe.

PhilSWR
NSW, 1104 posts
8 Aug 2012 2:17PM
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NewKy said...

billyboy402 said...

Are you still dreaming at night about flying over the water , and skipping over the waves ......
I am it it been 6 months for me


I dont think I will ever be able to ride jaws etc. This is about where I want to realistically get eventually (skill-wise):



[}:)]


That's a realistic dream. So how long do you think it will take you to reach the level of the guys on the clip? Just curious. What time frame do others think to get from total learner to this standard?

Cheers

felixdcat
WA, 3519 posts
8 Aug 2012 1:22PM
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Aaaaaaaaah Lago di Garda...... Torbole....... Riva...... Malcesine..... used to go there every years for a month, windsurfing up to 10 hours a day..... was fit then! i miss very much! Is it still very windy and busy! I used to stay at the Camping Al Core in Torbole love the place!

4Sail
WA, 2 posts
8 Aug 2012 1:25PM
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Join a Club. Most of them have a learners board that you can borrow for free.

NewKy
11 posts
8 Aug 2012 7:56PM
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felixdcat said...

Aaaaaaaaah Lago di Garda...... Torbole....... Riva...... Malcesine..... used to go there every years for a month, windsurfing up to 10 hours a day..... was fit then! i miss very much! Is it still very windy and busy! I used to stay at the Camping Al Core in Torbole love the place!


We rented an apartment in Torbole for one week. And what a week it was! Besides windsurfing, I was also impressed by the meal there, those Italians just know what they are doing when it comes to cooking

NewKy
11 posts
8 Aug 2012 7:59PM
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PhilSWR said...



That's a realistic dream. So how long do you think it will take you to reach the level of the guys on the clip? Just curious. What time frame do others think to get from total learner to this standard?

Cheers


I guess it comes a lot down to the amount of time you invest into windsurfing. Im 28 now and I hope I will be able to plane on a sea on my 30th birthday [}:)] Maybe Im just too ambitious though.

PhilSWR
NSW, 1104 posts
8 Aug 2012 10:45PM
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NewKy said...

PhilSWR said...



That's a realistic dream. So how long do you think it will take you to reach the level of the guys on the clip? Just curious. What time frame do others think to get from total learner to this standard?

Cheers


I guess it comes a lot down to the amount of time you invest into windsurfing. Im 28 now and I hope I will be able to plane on a sea on my 30th birthday [}:)] Maybe Im just too ambitious though.

Nah, again I think that time frame (2 years) is totally achievable to reach this level- assuming you hit the suds every time the wind is over 8 knots. I started wind surfing from scatch 7 months ago, and feel I'm halfway to that level. Although I have a long surfing background which I'm sure has certainly helped. So, I too, hope in a year or so from now I'll be tearing chunks out of waves and comfortable in straps, harness, ocean gybes and tacks like the dudes in the clip. Just keep at it mate, progess is only as quick as the amount of time and effort you dedicate to the sport. More effort = more results And most importantly, have fun!

Cheers




DASZIP
SA, 135 posts
20 Aug 2012 12:33PM
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looks to be the down haul coming from the mast extension not actually from uni joint



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