Dunno how interesting this is to Joe Windsurfer, but inspired by the Film School series I decided to take some snaps of me repairing the the old mans Tabou Rocket he snapped after one to many forwards.. This method, as I explained in another post is the preferred method used by the board repairers to the stars.. Not the crazy Boardlady
The one thing to remember is boards are made with simple techniques, which can easily be replicated at home. There is no damage that cannot be repaired, as long as you repair it how it was made.
Frist, during the 4th Essendon collapse, I knocked these diagrams up in paint.
And here are some snaps of the repair process showing the last technique. This board was snapped 100% across the deck, but this method can be applied to any size ding. It's a pretty low budget board, but the repair is not expensive, the most expensive purchase was $12 for paint, and the 300g of epoxy..
^^ Cut out damaged area, don't skimp.. The EPS core was not severely damaged here, so I decided to leave it.. If the foam is destroyed, it must be removed and replaced.
Below is the main point of this method of repair, this is how to align the inside layer of glass with the inside layer under the original deck. The old deck must first be separated from the EPS, making room for the new glass to be squeezed under.. (just a demo run for the camera, full deck done with single sheet of glass)
^^ TA-DA!!
^^ 3mm PVC laid down over glass that has been inserted under the original deck. Moderate Q-cell.. Note the original PVC on the deck does not meet the hull PVC.. Nice work Tabou.. I had an Evo that did this when I was 19, Starboard didn't want anything to do with the warranty claim, so I vowed never to buy Starboard again!
^^After cured, all held down with plastic wrap and weights (not shown). Vacuum bag would be better, but couldn't be bothered..
^outer layer.
^^More shrink wrap..
^^Some filler coats, and some classy paint from Autopro.. Colour match? close enough, Still needs the Pad glued dowwn and some non-skid..
Again, it's a pretty sh!tty board, so didn't go overboard with a detailed repair, but the idea's there. This method should be used for any long term repairs that need to withstand further impacts. Soft deck, nose, cracked rail are all repaired this way by the best..
Sorry Barn, but not the best.
You don't want a hard edge between replaced bit and original bit, nor do you want a straight line, otherwise you are giving it a "boundary" where it will be stronger or weaker and thus likely to break there again. You also have a lot of gaps which are filled with resin/q-cells and that should be minimised.
It should have had curved sides - like a big elipse, or be in a long drawn out diamond shape, and the divinycell needs to be beveled.
Plus not a biggie, but when you talk about putting "goop" in a hole not being good.... that is not techincally correct that the broken styro will remain. If using 2 pac polyurethane foam like Erathane GP2 etc, it will penetrate all the gaps in the styro like a spiderweb, and will bond it back together very well.
Err, sorry Barn but the fact the glass goes under the old layer is wonderful but you still need as seamless a transition as possible from the old to the new. The divinycell is structural and continuity of the d'cell is just as important as continuity of the glass.
At a minimum that means bevelling the edges.
Ideally, it means bevelling edges and not having straight lines in the replaced section.
Yes it would mean a big diamond, but in relaity you do whatever you can so in that instance I'd at least curve the edges or make it a banana shape.
And that is how the top board repair guys do it all the time so go argue with them.
Acid big soft spot and crease: beveled out nicely and irregular shape....
I am not saying your repair was poor, it is fine for a slalom board, I am just saying the gold standard is beveled edges and no straight lines especially along the direction the board is stressed (eg laterally)
Yeah this is crazy Boarlady's method, but to replace this section you could just cut straight.. Much easier!.. Steven Van Broekhoven competed half a PWA season on a board with a collapsed deck repaired my way..
I couldn't find a better board repairer that this guy to argue with..
*edit, yep I don't mind anybody disagreeing with me, next time I'm laminating, I'll do some Mythbusting experiments. Should be easy to test..
Come on, if you guys are gonna agree to disagree with barn at least have a good reason for it.
If you do a little bit of reading into sandwich panels, you'll find that your main failure mode is going to be compression failure of one of the composite skins. Any minor discontinuity in the core makes zero difference as the role of the foam in the middle is to hold the two skins appart. The foam core also contributes to resisting compression forces normal to the surface of the board. For both these roles a bevelled or a plain lap joint make no difference to the performance of the sandwich.
If fiddling around putting a bevel on a 3mm thick piece of divinycell floats your boat, go ahead, it won't do any harm [*edit*: actually it might make your repair worse]. But the real take home message is that you need to repair and make sure that both skins of the sandwich are reconnected using barns patented 'poke it under the skin with a flat bit of metal' technique.
Great resource for anyone seriously interested http://www.hexcel.com/Resources/DataSheets/Brochure-Data-Sheets/Composite_Repair.pdf
Oh and for the agreeing to disagree'ers, Navy commissioned test comparing bevelling the core against not. Not bevelling the core was found to be superior... dspace.dsto.defence.gov.au/dspace/bitstream/1947/3952/1/DSTO-TR-0736%20PR.pdf
No arguement here that a scarf joint on top and bottom skins would be preferred. However acheiving that on the bottom is pretty tough, it'd probably double the size of the repaired area to do it correctly, so using a lapjoint will probably give you the best compromise. As to making sure that you get a good bond, thats what vacuum pumps are for.
Ideally if you wanted to go to a lot of effort you could probably make a scarf joint on the bottom skin as well, but I'd imagine the diminishing returns would deter most if not all punters.
The boardlady repair as far as I'm aware doesn't even attempt to rebuild the inner skin.
To be honest, all sounds like a lot of hassle ... I think I would just take it to the shop, and pay somebody else to do it.
After all that's what a real boss would do, is it not?
CJW, how do you formulate the opinion "almost zero creation of lower fibre layer"?
I lay up the glass on the styro (under the d'cell I'm about to put in) and it meets the lower layer of fibre (butts up against it) and adheres well as the bevelling exposes the existing glass.
I still fail to see how the 'poking under' method can ensure a proper adhesion as the styro deflects downwards a lot so u can have a 1mm gap with 0.5mm fibre in it. It will adhere to the styro well but may only have partial contact with the underside of the d'cell. Vac bagging it won't solve much as the laminate may move downwards enough and you'd not know. Besides, you don't want the laminate to move as the edge is the "good bit" that you want to stay where it is.
Furthermore, the poking under method doubles up on glass along that line ie: that is making a line across the board stronger - the whole idea is to not have any stronger or weaker areas!
I also find it interesting that three board manufacturers / professional repairers here do it same as me, and I've never heard of Barn's method.
Surely greater staggering / offset of all the layers can only be a good thing so as to not create points for stresses to accumulate and thus have cracks nucleate
Well it really does depend exactly how you do it, i'm simply going by your picture above. I stand by my statement that if you simply add a lower layer/s of fibre to that board as pictured above it will do almost nothing in terms of creating a sandwich structure, it will if fact create a very stiff circle with a huge stress raiser right around its edge.
The strength for FRP comes almost entirely from the fibres, hence when you join fibres end for end it's almost useless as their tensile strength is now hilariously low, which lets face it is what you are doing in the above pic given the 'bevel' would be a few mm at most on the lower layer. You need good overlap and stagger which you're not going to achieve on the above sanded board. IF you removed a layer of dcell (not beveled, entirely removed) from on top of the lower level of existing glass (back from where it's sanded through to the EPS core)then, preped that, then layed ontop of that, then added the dcell back over the entire lot in etc I can see your point; from my understanding though this is not what you had done. Apologies if I was incorrect, as this method is indeed vaild, definitely superior to barn's but it's a lot more work for realistically small gains.
I love you all.
Barn, I still reckon too much vodka with the Russian but if your boards don't snap then kewl with me.
Keef, no it was not routed it was cut out with a Dremel and finger gauge and then bevelled with the sanding drum on Dremel. 15mins total BTW.
For what it's worth in structral areas, I use keefs method, start off like barn, but instead of poking glass under divynicell, carefully remove a strip of d-cell down to the underneath fibres without damaging the fibres, then the new underneath cloth overlaps on top of the old. The new d-cell ends up a tad thinner on the overlap as a result, but I don't think that's a problem.
The board lady's method I sometimes use in non structural dings, I don't think the underneath fibres have as good a connection using this method.
But the more bevel you give it the better.
Poking glass under never occured to me, I tend to agree with Mark, I don't like what I can't see, maybe I'll give it a go next ding repair.