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Created by Nubie > 9 months ago, 15 Apr 2020
Nubie
70 posts
15 Apr 2020 4:11PM
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If I unhook when planning in footstraps and move sail forward while keep my body weght at same longitudinal position, will board bear off?
Did someone try do this?

Imax1
QLD, 4650 posts
15 Apr 2020 6:32PM
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Yes

Nubie
70 posts
15 Apr 2020 4:45PM
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Imax1 said..
Yes


did you try it?

Imax1
QLD, 4650 posts
15 Apr 2020 8:22PM
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Nubie said..


Imax1 said..
Yes




did you try it?



I use this technique when I'm totally overpowered and knackered going deep downwind getting back to shore in shallow water waiting for the fin to hit the sand . I've done this a few times lately.

forceten
1312 posts
15 Apr 2020 7:51PM
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You need to hook up with
a USA 46
b. A 6 yo for art class

Nubie
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15 Apr 2020 8:28PM
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Imax1 said..

Nubie said..



Imax1 said..
Yes





did you try it?




I use this technique when I'm totally overpowered and knackered going deep downwind getting back to shore in shallow water waiting for the fin to hit the sand . I've done this a few times lately.

I sail like this all the time!
Every bigger gust that coming I unhook,scare of catapult! :)

Sea Lotus
314 posts
15 Apr 2020 10:12PM
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Your problem is, you have very long legs, i would olso be afraid to hook in if i had to wear my harness on my neck.

Sparky
WA, 1121 posts
15 Apr 2020 10:24PM
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But what were you planning?

hoop
1979 posts
15 Apr 2020 10:36PM
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Unfortunately this move is very difficult for people that don't have torso's .

Sea Lotus
314 posts
15 Apr 2020 10:48PM
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But seriously, you can try pulling the mast back towards your body by pulling with front arm to depower while being hooked in, thats if you are afraid to stand tall (go over the board a little) to let the gust by.

Sparky
WA, 1121 posts
15 Apr 2020 11:10PM
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Not dissimilar to elements of a lay down jibe? Which tends to turn a board around?

JonnyWindsurf
WA, 47 posts
15 Apr 2020 11:51PM
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Isn't this how you initiate a catapult?

LeeD
3939 posts
16 Apr 2020 1:08AM
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Some sailors learn the forward loop before they can jibe.

Manuel7
1257 posts
16 Apr 2020 4:07AM
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Yes, and you need to open your sail, you may slow down.

gorgesailor
604 posts
16 Apr 2020 4:08AM
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Nubie/fpw9082, Why did you change your user name?

Basher
535 posts
16 Apr 2020 7:29AM
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Nubie said..
If I unhook when planning in footstraps and move sail forward while keep my body weght at same longitudinal position, will board bear off?
Did someone try do this?



It will bear away - but why would you do that?
If you over do it the nose of the board will go down and the rig will overload, so you will probably catapult around the front.

If you want to steer in a straight line when planing we do this with very subtle rig movements and also by foot steering the board.
If you unhook and put the rig forward whilst leaning forwards onto the inner rail then you start a carve gybe.


Note that planing is spelt with one 'n' as it's short for 'aquaplaning'.

decrepit
WA, 12069 posts
16 Apr 2020 8:20AM
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Well this is the way you do a "flarve" gybe, flair the sail and carve the board, gets you round real quick. I only do it when lightly powered and want a very tight gybe. When well powered you want to depower the sail not put it into the wind.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 7989 posts
16 Apr 2020 3:06PM
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hoop said..
Unfortunately this move is very difficult for people that don't have torso's .


Nubie
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16 Apr 2020 11:20PM
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Basher said..



Nubie said..
If I unhook when planning in footstraps and move sail forward while keep my body weght at same longitudinal position, will board bear off?
Did someone try do this?






It will bear away - but why would you do that?
If you over do it the nose of the board will go down and the rig will overload, so you will probably catapult around the front.

If you want to steer in a straight line when planing we do this with very subtle rig movements and also by foot steering the board.
If you unhook and put the rig forward whilst leaning forwards onto the inner rail then you start a carve gybe.


Note that planing is spelt with one 'n' as it's short for 'aquaplaning'.



nice explanation..


this is my stance at 1:40 :)
as usual terminator win again!

Ben1973
944 posts
17 Apr 2020 9:07AM
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So much better than sailing down a flat purpose built canal.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 7989 posts
17 Apr 2020 12:24PM
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Nubie said..


Basher said..





Nubie said..
If I unhook when planning in footstraps and move sail forward while keep my body weght at same longitudinal position, will board bear off?
Did someone try do this?








It will bear away - but why would you do that?
If you over do it the nose of the board will go down and the rig will overload, so you will probably catapult around the front.

If you want to steer in a straight line when planing we do this with very subtle rig movements and also by foot steering the board.
If you unhook and put the rig forward whilst leaning forwards onto the inner rail then you start a carve gybe.


Note that planing is spelt with one 'n' as it's short for 'aquaplaning'.





nice explanation..


this is my stance at 1:40 :)
as usual terminator win again!


Radical conditions.
Now I know why I haven't broken 40kts..
I'm not prepared to take the carnage..

mathew
QLD, 2039 posts
17 Apr 2020 1:16PM
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LeeD said..
Some sailors learn the forward loop before they can jibe.


This is complete BS. The skill / expertise for looping, is higher than for gybing. And the conditions needed for looping, require significantly more skill then is for gybing.

Why is it that you make statements that are false, more then 95% of the time ?

Ben1973
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18 Apr 2020 8:06AM
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sboardcrazy said..

Nubie said..



Basher said..






Nubie said..
If I unhook when planning in footstraps and move sail forward while keep my body weght at same longitudinal position, will board bear off?
Did someone try do this?









It will bear away - but why would you do that?
If you over do it the nose of the board will go down and the rig will overload, so you will probably catapult around the front.

If you want to steer in a straight line when planing we do this with very subtle rig movements and also by foot steering the board.
If you unhook and put the rig forward whilst leaning forwards onto the inner rail then you start a carve gybe.


Note that planing is spelt with one 'n' as it's short for 'aquaplaning'.






nice explanation..


this is my stance at 1:40 :)
as usual terminator win again!



Radical conditions.
Now I know why I haven't broken 40kts..
I'm not prepared to take the carnage..


Sailing on my own in open ocean 99% of the time keeps me away from 40knots. Not to mention the bill for broken kit and skill.

LeeD
3939 posts
18 Apr 2020 10:03AM
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Mathew, I know a sailor who has sailed Backyards and the channel outside of Diamond head who has never tried to uphaul ever.
And one of them regularly windsurfe from Kahala to view Molokai 20 miles away, and he cannot jibe at all, but jumpjibes fine.
- You just haven't seen that many sailors in your life.
Another guy I know did a quad flip duckie before he ever made a regular jibe. He started ducking only within 3 days of his 1st time ever on a windsurf board. Needless to say, he progressed to double ducks, then triples by his second year.

LeeD
3939 posts
18 Apr 2020 10:07AM
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Plenty of young guns loop before age 13, some never up hauling ever.
I cannot state a specific case, but it certainly isn't hard to imagine.
Everyone who loops say it's much easier than jibing....but takes more courage.
Jibing takes longer than one year. Most guys who learn to loop make several within days.

Ian K
WA, 4048 posts
18 Apr 2020 10:25AM
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Yes but flat water levels the playing field somewhat. Gybes are easy, looping is harder. ( Not that I've ever intentionally looped a sailboard. As a young gun I looped on a trampoline, got it all out of my system by the time I became an ageing windsurfer.)

www.windsurf.co.uk/peter-hart-operation-rotation/

mathew
QLD, 2039 posts
18 Apr 2020 1:04PM
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LeeD said..
Another guy I know did a quad flip duckie before he ever made a regular jibe. He started ducking only within 3 days of his 1st time ever on a windsurf board. Needless to say, he progressed to double ducks, then triples by his second year.



No one has ever done a "quad flip duckie" ... there are about 3 or so people whom have ever even attempted a triple rotation.... Koster, Campello, Guiloul, etc.

LeeD
3939 posts
18 Apr 2020 11:24AM
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Joey Valera made his 1st triple at Half Moon Bay on his first windsurf board, within 9 months of his very first day. 9'6" Seatrend poly, maybe 90 liters....very thin tail.
Rewarded himself with the new then Sunset.
His quad was at Lake Lopez maybe 6 months later.
He could only duckjibe at Jalama.

mr love
VIC, 2347 posts
18 Apr 2020 1:42PM
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LeeD...What drugs are you taking....I want some!!

LeeD
3939 posts
18 Apr 2020 11:53AM
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Just because YOU didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

tbwonder
NSW, 649 posts
18 Apr 2020 2:42PM
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LeeD said..
Just because YOU didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.



Just because YOU say it, doesn't mean it did happen.



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