Waist harness solution for riding up

Either tighten the bar, pad it, adjust your technique by hiking out instead of crouching down.
Breathe in to let the harness come back down. Try another harness.
Main issue with seat harness is that once you get lifted off your toes, it's harder to recover from a catapult.
Depending on the seat design you may also not be able to set the harness (or at least the bar) to the side reducing catapults greatly.

Do it up tighter and get longer harness lines.

I have been using a Flying Objects Indie harness since the first one came out, has elastic waist band, it only ever rides up if i bail a big jump and pin dive feet first into the water. also has a sliding spreader bar which is awesome, shame they stopped making them.

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duzzi said..

letter made.

Oh well, my Ion Radium Elite 2018 just broke the bar ... struggling to find a replacement, Da Kine might work, but the harness had already the problem of freezing buckles ... so now following up on Leto's suggestion I am curious about Ride Engine. Ride Engine has a 2021 spreader bar and harness system that looks fantastic: no more straps! The price tag is a bit gasp inducing at around US $400 .... any feedback?

Just an update on my Ion Radium Elite and its broken bar. I ordered a Ion C-bar hoping that it fit and it did. It is a major improvement with respect to the original. It wraps around your waist, leaving just two/four centimeters extra web. It is probably similar to the mystic shown a few posts above, and it can be adjusted much better than the original because of the clamping system. And it all but eliminates any riding up. In my case the riding up was minor, it only happened if I found myself under powered "hanging" from the boom, but with this bar it does not seem to be an issue. Very nice upgrade! $80 (US) instead of $400 is hard to beat.

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duzzi said..

duzzi said..

letter made.

Oh well, my Ion Radium Elite 2018 just broke the bar ... struggling to find a replacement, Da Kine might work, but the harness had already the problem of freezing buckles ... so now following up on Leto's suggestion I am curious about Ride Engine. Ride Engine has a 2021 spreader bar and harness system that looks fantastic: no more straps! The price tag is a bit gasp inducing at around US $400 .... any feedback?

Just an update on my Ion Radium Elite and its broken bar. I ordered a Ion C-bar hoping that it fit and it did. It is a major improvement with respect to the original. It wraps around your waist, leaving just two/four centimeters extra web. It is probably similar to the mystic shown a few posts above, and it can be adjusted much better than the original because of the clamping system. And it all but eliminates any riding up. In my case the riding up was minor, it only happened if I found myself under powered "hanging" from the boom, but with this bar it does not seem to be an issue. Very nice upgrade! $80 (US) instead of $400 is hard to beat.

Looks like its upside down.

I looked at the link. Looks like ION's kite hook is just a touch narrower than Mystic. Can be used for windsurfing too. They have swappable hooks too. What I don't like about ION is that the hook mid application of force is all the way up. Also Mystic has larger soft pad.
Haven't used ION but Mystic bar makes a huge difference. Day and night. Love it.

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leto said..
I looked at the link. Looks like ION's kite hook is just a touch narrower than Mystic. Can be used for windsurfing too. They have swappable hooks too. What I don't like about ION is that the hook mid application of force is all the way up. Also Mystic has larger soft pad.
Haven't used ION but Mystic bar makes a huge difference. Day and night. Love it.

Well ... you have not used the Ion and I have not used the Mystic, so we cannot really compare, can we? But, yes, the new style Ion (2018 really) made a big difference with respect to the old style Ion (the 2016 I broke). That was the point of my post.

And everybody seems to have gone there: took more than 30 years from a narrow metal bar with little vertical support, to a wide, long and rigid (composite) structure that makes the harness as close as possible to a one piece structure.

Ride engine has the purest version, with the 2021 model eliminating straps for a rigid connection hard shell to bar. Probably in a couple of years everybody else will be there to.

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Mark _australia said..
Anyone who uses that style hook for windsurfing has a death wish.

Here we go again ... that is the Kite hook. Ion, Mystic, Ride Engine etc... all offer windsurf and kite hook options.

Duzzi, I do think that the hook should be in the middle to distribute forces better. The RideEngine bar I cannot use and not because it has only little padding, but because their kite hook is triangular and I cannot use it for windsurfing. I do both but have one harness.
Mystic kite hook has very small widening (not triangular) and I actually like it for windsurfing as I often ride and do small jumps holding the boom with one hand and there is less chance of harness lines slipping unexpectedly especially in chop or when I twist my core more. And it happened a few times with my windsurfing hook. That triangular hook, absolutely agree with Mark is a death wish. big NO..

I have a knife there too , which serves two purposes: when kitting to free myself from the lines in case bad stuff happens and when windsurfing to do same if one falls on my head..

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duzzi said..
Well ... you have not used the Ion and I have not used the Mystic, so we cannot really compare, can we? But, yes, the new style Ion (2018 really) made a big difference with respect to the old style Ion (the 2016 I broke). That was the point of my post.

And everybody seems to have gone there: took more than 30 years from a narrow metal bar with little vertical support, to a wide, long and rigid (composite) structure that makes the harness as close as possible to a one piece structure.

Ride engine has the purest version, with the 2021 model eliminating straps for a rigid connection hard shell to bar. Probably in a couple of years everybody else will be there to.

The harness itself needs to be adjustable around the waist because there is a fair bit of difference in body shape even for those using the same size. Mystic has the adjustable knob to pull the harness tight around the torso. I haven't seen anyone copying that idea which is odd.