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Who is the best allrounder windsurfer (past or present)

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Created by gavnwend > 9 months ago, 7 Sep 2017
Dean 424
NSW, 440 posts
9 Sep 2017 7:44PM
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Jenna De Rosnay.

Imax1
QLD, 4755 posts
9 Sep 2017 8:20PM
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Dean 424 said..
Jenna De Rosnay.


I see what your doing there Dean

Imax1
QLD, 4755 posts
9 Sep 2017 8:21PM
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Dean 424 said..
Jenna De Rosnay.




I see what your doing there Dean
She is soooo fine.
Is that why I took up windsurfing when my mates had posters of Lamborghinis

Imax1
QLD, 4755 posts
9 Sep 2017 8:25PM
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^^^
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Von
SA, 104 posts
9 Sep 2017 9:25PM
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What about magic?

Haggar
QLD, 1665 posts
10 Sep 2017 8:01AM
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Robby. He has done so much for the sport and is the true water man and is still pushing the boundaries.

Imax1
QLD, 4755 posts
10 Sep 2017 8:46AM
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Von said..
What about magic?


Poor Magic , I miss his epicness

Nerdburger
NSW, 311 posts
10 Sep 2017 8:57AM
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The man himself JP - Jason Polakow, so much style and focus on the waves, especially big waves of consequences !!, a true freak !!, I'm sure he could blast speed / slalom kit if he wanted too !

whitsun
QLD, 95 posts
10 Sep 2017 10:13AM
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Imax1 said..

Von said..
What about magic?



Poor Magic , I miss his epicness


Me too!
He was in an entirely different league.
What are the odds of getting hit by an Airbus!
Just unlucky i guess.

Chris 249
NSW, 3376 posts
10 Sep 2017 5:51PM
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Reflex Films said..

It easy to look at the stats but if you go a bit deeper there are some more interesting contenders.


Looking at Pure Skill Antoine Albeau is a great all round skilled waterman. His wave sailing and jumping (and even freestyle - like spocks ) is pretty damn good. At a shoot in Maui he was one of the few guy that had a really good percentage on his jumps - I had him land a big back loop right next to me (I was shooting from the water) and there was no doubt he was going to make the landing and keep me safe. All with a big grin on his face.

For my money Pete Volwater is right up there. He could win races and I saw him bang out to wave 360s in a row on the same wave at Hookipa back around 2006.

And he had double forwards on lock way back in 2000. In 06 Pete was the best all rounder on the planet for sure.

Tati Frans -a sublimely skilled all rounder who can freestyle (his sky high Shakas were the bomb back in the day) and throw double forwards (saw him do it at Hookipa on a proto starboard) and be a serious contender in races too.

I really like the guys that are a bit more all round.

Locally in OZ we had Simon peters back in the day who still is a ripping wave sailor in huge wave and was crazy fast on race gear - nearly untouchably so back in the day.
Byron marsh was amazing - same with Scott mckercher too who racked up PPWA/ PBA winds in racing along with World titles in wave sailing.



With respect, there's a lot more to the sport than waves and PBA style racing. When I checked a while ago, for example, there seemed to be far more pros racing the Olympic class than PBA, with far more pro coaches, and many more nations. And when people compared the standard of the two types, the only evidence ever shown to indicate that the PBA sailors were better was basically fans saying "but they are in more ads".

I'm not saying that the PBA guys are not as good, but Robby could hold his head high in both the PBA and Olympic styles, and at a time when the sport was much bigger and there was much more money to entice people into becoming pros.

Chris 249
NSW, 3376 posts
10 Sep 2017 5:56PM
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Robby clearly, for me. Look at his world results;

World Cup waves - first
World Cup race - first
World Cup slalom - first
Freestyle - first or second (as it was done at the time, in both longboards and during wave heats; I think he was the first to do freestyle tricks in wave heats).
Olympic racing - second
One Design racing - first

He only misses out on speed.

Bjorn was good but not anything like as much an allrounder (and that's from having competed against them both a bit).

gavnwend
WA, 1366 posts
10 Sep 2017 4:54PM
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Robby won his first world championship aged 13 (1977). Hes a true icon & arguably one of the best sailors in the world. 21 world Titles to his credit

Imax1
QLD, 4755 posts
10 Sep 2017 7:10PM
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whitsun said..

Imax1 said..


Von said..
What about magic?




Poor Magic , I miss his epicness



Me too!
He was in an entirely different league.
What are the odds of getting hit by an Airbus!
Just unlucky i guess.


Mabee he's stuck in cyclone Irma , Irma gerd !

Gorgo
VIC, 4993 posts
10 Sep 2017 10:34PM
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Naish is definitely an icon, legend and probably more visible that Dunkerbeck. I don't think he ever really pursued the competition thing. Dunkerbeck was a competition machine.

Robby Naish www.pwaworldtour.com/index.php?id=7&tx_pwasailor_pi1%5bshowUid%5d=271&cHash=9730ed3c15
World Champion 1983-87 (Pre PWA)
Wave results: 1997 Ranked 2nd
1996 Ranked 6th
1998 Ranked 4th
World Champion 88,89,91
2015 11th place Nove Aloha Classic

Dunkerbeck en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_Dunkerbeck
Overall World Champion (1988-1999)
Race World Champion (1988-1999) and 2011
Wave World Champion (1990, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1999, 2001)
Freestyle World Champion (1998)
Speed World Champion (1994)

Chris 249
NSW, 3376 posts
11 Sep 2017 7:06AM
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Sorry, but to say that "Robby never really pursued the competition thing" is completely wrong. He won 21 world titles. as Gav noted. He won the World Cup when it had many more events, and when he and others would come to Australia for our own mini-tour in a gap between the World Cup seasons and also do the Hawaiian wave events which were then largely separate from the World Tour. And he was first or second in world titles for years before the PWA/PBA/WSMA etc existed.


Gorgo
VIC, 4993 posts
11 Sep 2017 8:01AM
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I stand corrected. I see the 21 world titles mentioned in several places, although I can't find a list of them.

On a separate note, I am reading a story about foils and how Naish is the current market leader in producing foils. Seems to me Naish is the Apple of the water sports industry. They come along just behind the initial pioneers (kitesurfing, SUP, now foils) and take it to the next level.

www.pwaworldtour.com/index.php?id=7&tx_pwasailor_pi1%5bshowUid%5d=271&cHash=9730ed3c15

gavnwend
WA, 1366 posts
11 Sep 2017 5:16PM
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24 world titles since he was 13.l can not find anything on the net to warrant this but hey he still is a legend & has done alot for windsurfing. I doubt there will ever be another Robby for a long time to come.

Chris 249
NSW, 3376 posts
11 Sep 2017 8:52PM
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Robby won the overall Windsurfer worlds 76-79, and took a bunch of discipline titles (ie course race, slalom, marathon and freestyle) while doing so. Those regattas were limited to about 350-400 entrants, who normally had to win their way through national selection trials in fleets of 200 or so. That was in the days when regattas in North Queensland would get 60+ locals alone, and when you had to have a sail number in Europe because water space was licensed and rationed because of the crowds.

He then won the Windsurfing World Cup 83-87 overall. For most of that time he won two or three of the discipline world titles as well; he won the complete set (Race, Wave, Slalom, Overall) twice.

Robby was clearly leading the way in gear development as much as anyone in the '80s, with his Raceboards (shaped by his dad, Rick) and slalom boards by Harold Iggy and Rick. He also lead the Gaastra team when they invented cambers and was the first guy, I think, to do shortboard freestyle in competition. He was certainly a long way ahead of the pack in shortboard freestyle, doing spin tacks etc as transitions in wave heats.

The sport will have to change a lot for another Robby to come along. For a start, it will have to become about 10 times bigger (or more) like it used to be, with many more people trying to become pros. Then we'll have to get someone else who can excel on 12'+ longboards when racing Olympians in light winds (and with respect to the current PBA guys, they were not competitive on RSXs) as well as winning in the waves and in high winds.

Obviously the changing nature of any sport makes it harder to be an all-rounder like that, but even making allowances for the progress there isn't anyone who comes close IMHO. It's not just talent - it's that the sport has become factionalised and almost no one tries to be an allrounder in the same way any more.


gavnwend
WA, 1366 posts
11 Sep 2017 6:58PM
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Chris 249 said..
Robby won the overall Windsurfer worlds 76-79, and took a bunch of discipline titles (ie course race, slalom, marathon and freestyle) while doing so. Those regattas were limited to about 350-400 entrants, who normally had to win their way through national selection trials in fleets of 200 or so. That was in the days when regattas in North Queensland would get 60+ locals alone, and when you had to have a sail number in Europe because water space was licensed and rationed because of the crowds.

He then won the Windsurfing World Cup 83-87 overall. For most of that time he won two or three of the discipline world titles as well; he won the complete set (Race, Wave, Slalom, Overall) twice.

Robby was clearly leading the way in gear development as much as anyone in the '80s, with his Raceboards (shaped by his dad, Rick) and slalom boards by Harold Iggy and Rick. He also lead the Gaastra team when they invented cambers and was the first guy, I think, to do shortboard freestyle in competition. He was certainly a long way ahead of the pack in shortboard freestyle, doing spin tacks etc as transitions in wave heats.

The sport will have to change a lot for another Robby to come along. For a start, it will have to become about 10 times bigger (or more) like it used to be, with many more people trying to become pros. Then we'll have to get someone else who can excel on 12'+ longboards when racing Olympians in light winds (and with respect to the current PBA guys, they were not competitive on RSXs) as well as winning in the waves and in high winds.

Obviously the changing nature of any sport makes it harder to be an all-rounder like that, but even making allowances for the progress there isn't anyone who comes close IMHO. It's not just talent - it's that the sport has become factionalised and almost no one tries to be an allrounder in the same way any more.





Chris you could not of said it anybetter.

RichardG
WA, 3751 posts
11 Sep 2017 8:09PM
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Agree with Chris and others above, the top allrounder is Robby Naish
Others who could get the mantle include:
Ken Winner
Bruce Wylie
Jessica Crisp

mkseven
QLD, 2314 posts
12 Sep 2017 7:31AM
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I think all these guys operate on a level we more normal windsurfers can't comprehend. 1st time I saw Steve sail was pfft really is that it? Second time stepped off stairs onto planing board was fast, did several flatwater loops on first reach in really ordinary conditions & I just went wow even the best locals had nothing on that.

For me it is & always has been bjorn, people forget what he was capable of doing at 11-13yo shaming people with loops. He had to overcome Robby in his prime. But yes very much had assistance of an exceptional caddy & training partner/s. Visibility... all of the Pryde videos?

Robby though has style, such a fluid rider in every move he makes & he made really rubbish gear back in the day do amazing things but he is also a product of that gear. He is sailor I most enjoy watching.

AA also amazing, going on hazy memory he finished 6th or so in his very first (or one of first) pba event. He changes perception on things like big guys not doing well in light winds or waves.

What stands out for me though with Bjorn & AA is these were big guys doing stuff small guys could, it's fine saying they are faster but everything is harder with size & they were winning not just racing as expected but freestyle & waves.

Plenty of other amazing guys & girls that cross disciplines- Jessica, Anders, Teritehau, Taty, Kevin, Matt, Nik, Steve, Scotty, JP, Josh & Pete Volwater. It seems these same people are very tuned testers. For the time being though Bjorn, Robby & Antoine are the kings, I think this is evidence too when you saw the above guys talk about Robby or Bjorn.

We shall see what future brings but it feels like kids such as Liam dont have same drive as his dad, different times, only bjorn would be able to answer that but as a parent probably wouldnt want to.

HotBodMon
NSW, 582 posts
12 Sep 2017 9:49AM
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Do technique GooRoo'z qualify?
Here's Cribby teaching Andrew Robinson how to gybe, the rig flip's incredible

Al Planet
TAS, 1546 posts
12 Sep 2017 4:22PM
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If it was a contest for radness then Mark Angulo....no contest. The last minute of this video has all the crashes!

fjdoug
ACT, 548 posts
12 Sep 2017 4:36PM
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in 1987 Robby also won the Womens overall








ka43
NSW, 3077 posts
12 Sep 2017 6:08PM
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Thanks Al, that was a great vid. I spent a fair bit of time with Mark in the late eighties. A top bloke but radical in and out of the water!!! Got into a bit of trouble here and there (usually with hilarious results) but in wave sailing a true innovator and one of the best. Still going strong today!!!

azuli
QLD, 348 posts
12 Sep 2017 6:09PM
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Al Planet said..
If it was a contest for radness then Mark Angulo....no contest.




I remember MarkA came to Aus for the '86 comp series. He was pretty progressive in the waves, but he didn't like raceboards.
One of my first wave boards was made by his dad Ed, it was an awesome board.

My vote for best all round Aussie windsurfer would be Jess Crisp as she has competed at four Olympics on Mistral and RS:X, and was '94 & '95 PWA overall world champion.

P.C_simpson
NSW, 1489 posts
13 Sep 2017 1:36PM
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Robby does most things and has style doing them, has done speed sailing and did cool old school freestyle as well.
Bjorn is just the terminator, even sounds like him, but haven't seen him do freestyle.
Kevin Pritchard does it all and well and his brother ain't far behind

there are some girls that do it all as well like currently Sara Offringa it doing wave, freestyle and race, and doing the all well.

There are some good all round Aussie guys too, like Steven Allen, Bruce Wylie, Phil Mcgain, Luke Hargraves, Hedgy etc all have impressive race and wave results, there is even some local WA guys that are good all rounders like that sail designer guy from Perth that I pretty good at everything he sails even fancy new freestyle stuff sometimes.

gavnwend
WA, 1366 posts
13 Sep 2017 2:42PM
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Oz has some good sailors l agree .Ben Serverne Steve Allen J.P. Phil Mcgain Slowie Mark (Hedgie) Scotty mckerger the list goes on.l have seen some talent in all of my twenty years of sailing. Also Jessica crisp & some other girls that put some guys to shame.

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
13 Sep 2017 8:40PM
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P.C_simpson said..
Robby does most things and has style doing them, has done speed sailing and did cool old school freestyle as well.
Bjorn is just the terminator, even sounds like him, but haven't seen him do freestyle.
Kevin Pritchard does it all and well and his brother ain't far behind

there are some girls that do it all as well like currently Sara Offringa it doing wave, freestyle and race, and doing the all well.

There are some good all round Aussie guys too, like Steven Allen, Bruce Wylie, Phil Mcgain, Luke Hargraves, Hedgy etc all have impressive race and wave results, there is even some local WA guys that are good all rounders like that sail designer guy from Perth that I pretty good at everything he sails even fancy new freestyle stuff sometimes.


He was the first PWA freestyle champ.

RichardG
WA, 3751 posts
13 Sep 2017 11:54PM
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WA guys who were all rounders in the 80s

Nick Poll- WAs Robby Naish
Peter Dans
Lach Simpson
Dave Green
Dave Sheen
Gil Stubbs
Scott McKercher
Ash Nicol
Steve Snyder also sailed 7 foot gun surfboards!



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