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IWT Fiji 20 - 30 aug 2022 it's on!

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Created by Icelake > 9 months ago, 28 Aug 2022
Icelake
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28 Aug 2022 8:44AM
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IWT Fiji Pro Invitational 2022 it's on and can wait for the live streams.

sunday 28, monday 29 and tuesday 30 aug.

Can anyone shed a light on how of the invited riders are chosen?
To me it looks a strange bunch of riders for a contest.


"Today's heats for day 1 of the IWT FIJI PRO Competition.
The livestream will be made available on the IWT Youtube Page.
Stay tuned for the direct livestream link."

stehsegler
WA, 3473 posts
28 Aug 2022 1:01PM
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I would be interested as well how they picked who to invite. The absence of people like JP seems strange given he would dominate that spot if it gets XXL big.

BTW the link above doesn't work. You can find the current live stream on their YouTube channel. Posting the link here doesn't work so just go to YouTube and search for: InternationalWindsurfingTour

Icelake
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28 Aug 2022 2:58PM
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There is a recording.


DunkO
NSW, 1146 posts
29 Aug 2022 7:49PM
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stehsegler said..
I would be interested as well how they picked who to invite. The absence of people like JP seems strange given he would dominate that spot if it gets XXL big.

BTW the link above doesn't work. You can find the current live stream on their YouTube channel. Posting the link here doesn't work so just go to YouTube and search for: InternationalWindsurfingTour


I think I heard Simeon say he got an invite, if it was maxing he would have been there. Basically said he was the king out there. Was heaps windy on mike so hard to hear. Or he was talking about imhardcore? That guy would make jp look like a shoulder hoping pansy.
few decent wave in heat 2, that's all I've seen so far

Sea Lotus
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30 Aug 2022 12:51AM
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I guess this is from iwt, anyone know which event from?
Looks unreal :)


philn
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30 Aug 2022 1:17AM
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DunkO said..

stehsegler said..
I would be interested as well how they picked who to invite. The absence of people like JP seems strange given he would dominate that spot if it gets XXL big.

BTW the link above doesn't work. You can find the current live stream on their YouTube channel. Posting the link here doesn't work so just go to YouTube and search for: InternationalWindsurfingTour



I think I heard Simeon say he got an invite, if it was maxing he would have been there. Basically said he was the king out there. Was heaps windy on mike so hard to hear. Or he was talking about imhardcore? That guy would make jp look like a shoulder hoping pansy.
few decent wave in heat 2, that's all I've seen so far


I read something similar, JP said he would go if swell was XXXL.

Basher
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30 Aug 2022 11:44AM
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Tried to watch the livestream on Youtube, but it's hard work with the shouty commentary - and with no results and no live scoring.

The drone footage also makes the waves look very small and it's a bit dull, with the riders getting just one hit if they are lucky. .

I think they had a bigger swell earlier this week and then today they had wind but small waves.

I'm guessing there are no young sailors there because it's expensive to get there and there's little prize money.


PhilUK
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30 Aug 2022 1:59PM
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Some good action in this heat, whenever it was. Long rides, many hits, they seem to be riding the wave for hundreds of metres.
Light winds so it takes them a while to get back out, but at least with non live you can skip forward.
The action happens a long way from beach. Good luck filming that from the shore. I guess the judges are on the boat? Live scoring? Try running that setup from a boat. The drone pilot as well? It could be expensive flying low in those waves for a distance away.

stehsegler
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30 Aug 2022 4:02PM
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The drone footage also makes the waves look very small and it's a bit dull, with the riders getting just one hit if they are lucky.


That's why you need to go low and close.

stehsegler
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30 Aug 2022 4:24PM
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It could be expensive flying low in those waves for a distance away.


Not really. The biggest risk at most spots are kite lines, other sailors and believe it or not birds. None of this applies to Cloudbreak. The wave is super predictable and with no kites around you don't have to worry about being knocked out of the sky. Additionally the wind is super light which makes things a lot easier.Not getting seasick while staring at a screen all day is probably your biggest challenge.

Icelake
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30 Aug 2022 9:04PM
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Just saw the masters with Bernd Roediger and Fredrico Morisio commenting.
5 Minutes with those lads gave already more info and insights than all the other heats combined.
And much more positive vibes.
That was fun but would pay money if Ben Proffitt was commenting : )
Planing winds and good waves makes it a beautiful spot.
Drone shots not perfect but better then no live imagening and is a first with only drones that far @ sea!


Flying Dutchman
WA, 1502 posts
30 Aug 2022 9:15PM
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Was invited to do the drone filming but couldn't go because I'm not vaxxed and it's a requirement to get into Fiji. Was a shame, I'd love to film Cloudbreak.

boffe
VIC, 86 posts
31 Aug 2022 8:55AM
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LOVE DOWNTHELINE WAVESAILING
LOVE THOSE REEF BREAKS
LOVE FIJI



IWT AND ATHLETE COMMITMENT TO GO THERE vote 8
CONDITIONS and TIMING vote 9
ATHLETES SKILLS LEVEL AND BALLS vote 10

LIVE STREAMING vote 4
PICS FROM THE BOAT/WATER vote 9

I know it's a big effort and I don't like to complain but if we want the sport to grow and come company to invest we have to show at its best, and that one was not.

What's your opinion?

Aloha,
Matteo

Flying Dutchman
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31 Aug 2022 10:04AM
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boffe said..
I know it's a big effort and I don't like to complain but if we want the sport to grow and come company to invest we have to show at its best, and that one was not.

What's your opinion?

Aloha,
Matteo

I sent a message to Simeon saying that unless you can get HD livestream then better to forget doing it live, just record the heats in 1080 or 4K, throw some commentary over the top and release the video 24 hrs later or whenever you can do it. Will be logistically a lot easier and we all get to view in HD.

philn
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31 Aug 2022 11:22AM
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Why was the drone so far from the action? (asked by someone who's never flown a drone)

stehsegler
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31 Aug 2022 11:40AM
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Why was the drone so far from the action? (asked by someone who's never flown a drone)


Just a wild guess but looks like they parked one drone near the boat for a wide shot and the flew a second drone at fixed altitude back and forth along a line for "close ups". Makes for a simple setup but not the most dynamic looking footage.

Sea Lotus
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31 Aug 2022 3:53PM
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Close up drone shots from a second drone flying over the reef would be nice.
They olso need better microphones and sound check.

PhilUK
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31 Aug 2022 8:14PM
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boffe said..

I know it's a big effort and I don't like to complain but if we want the sport to grow and come company to invest we have to show at its best, and that one was not.

What's your opinion?

Aloha,
Matteo



So who will fund it initially? Maybe people complaining could send a few $1000 to next year's organisers.
Its the same as its always been, not enough money and not a certainty that there will be waves and wind.
Its not long ago we didnt have drones, and now people are complaining they dont fly low enough.

ps Heat 5 video, just 2072 views. Its not a lot is it.

stehsegler
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31 Aug 2022 8:25PM
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So who will fund it initially? Maybe people complaining could send a few $1000 to next year's organisers.




That's fundamentally the problem with most niche sports events in remote locations. People always underestimate what it costs to put these events together. Let alone paying for professional content production.

You really need people that do it for the love of the sport rather than making money.

Get a bare bones crew of two content producers out there for 10 days and watch the dollars add up quickly.

You have to start somewhere. You have to applaud them for putting on an event that far from anywhere.

Icelake
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1 Sep 2022 4:03AM
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You have to start somewhere. You have to applaud them for putting on an event that far from anywhere.


Yes!

DunkO
NSW, 1146 posts
1 Sep 2022 7:18AM
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Would it have been that hard to build a judging tower on the reef. And print fake vac status Dutch Novak.

Lift your game.

DunkO
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1 Sep 2022 7:21AM
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ps Heat 5 video, just 2072 views. Its not a lot is it.


Dam, it's not a lot. Meanwhile heaps of people watched me bog rail and get washed over rocks, amazing what flying drone low and close can achieve

boffe
VIC, 86 posts
1 Sep 2022 8:25AM
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PhilUK said..

boffe said..

I know it's a big effort and I don't like to complain but if we want the sport to grow and come company to invest we have to show at its best, and that one was not.

What's your opinion?

Aloha,
Matteo




So who will fund it initially? Maybe people complaining could send a few $1000 to next year's organisers.
Its the same as its always been, not enough money and not a certainty that there will be waves and wind.
Its not long ago we didnt have drones, and now people are complaining they dont fly low enough.

ps Heat 5 video, just 2072 views. Its not a lot is it.


I've sent a lot of money to this sport everytime I buy a board for 3.5k$!!!

Remote locations? Drones not close enough? I don't care about the reason, I'm just observing that the result is awful on the eyes of the viewer. I work with visuals every day, my clients don't care about my problems, I need to deliver at the state of the art, can't say no today I had headache or my internet was slow, who cares!

Earlier this year wsl made a comp in Mentawai, not a major comp, just a qualifing series, and they have had a live streaming perfectly working. So it's doable. Even in remote locations.

Excuses are for loosers.

I repeat: big congrats to bring wavesailing back there but the media coverage is years and years behind, and that's a fact!

Flying Dutchman
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1 Sep 2022 7:22AM
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DunkO said..
Would it have been that hard to build a judging tower on the reef. And print fake vac status Dutch Novak.

Lift your game.

Haha, f**k the Covid vax travel requirements. If a country won't let me in because I'm not vaxxed from a virus I've already had, recovered from, gained antibodies & cellular immunity from, I'm not going. I'm not supporting this BS.

Flying Dutchman
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1 Sep 2022 7:25AM
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boffe...
I've sent a lot of money to this sport everytime I buy a board for 3.5k$!!!

Remote locations? Drones not close enough? I don't care about the reason, I'm just observing that the result is awful on the eyes of the viewer. I work with visuals every day, my clients don't care about my problems, I need to deliver at the state of the art, can't say no today I had headache or my internet was slow, who cares!

Earlier this year wsl made a comp in Mentawai, not a major comp, just a qualifing series, and they have had a live streaming perfectly working. So it's doable. Even in remote locations.

Excuses are for loosers.

I repeat: big congrats to bring wavesailing back there but the media coverage is years and years behind, and that's a fact!

The IWT are doing a great job with an absolute skeleton budget. You've got to start somewhere and hopefully they can keep building on their successes. The WSL has a media budget in the many millions. Simeon pays the IWT media budget out of his own pocket.

And like I said before, is live-streaming that important initially? Better to have HD images 24hr later than fuzzy pixels live.

DunkO
NSW, 1146 posts
1 Sep 2022 10:30AM
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Flying Dutchman said..

DunkO said..
Would it have been that hard to build a judging tower on the reef. And print fake vac status Dutch Novak.

Lift your game.


Haha, f**k the Covid vax travel requirements. If a country won't let me in because I'm not vaxxed from a virus I've already had, recovered from, gained antibodies & cellular immunity from, I'm not going. I'm not supporting this BS.


With you, I had to last minute for Fuerte earlier in year (Spanish national website indicated). Was then really crook from jab just before leaving! I've been really sick from COVID four time, Once from virus, 3 times from vax.

Flying Dutchman
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1 Sep 2022 8:39AM
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With you, I had to last minute for Fuerte earlier in year (Spanish national website indicated). Was then really crook from jab just before leaving! I've been really sick from COVID four time, Once from virus, 3 times from vax.

Bugger Dunk, stop the jabs mate, you'll be fine!!

boffe
VIC, 86 posts
1 Sep 2022 12:29PM
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boffe...
I've sent a lot of money to this sport everytime I buy a board for 3.5k$!!!

Remote locations? Drones not close enough? I don't care about the reason, I'm just observing that the result is awful on the eyes of the viewer. I work with visuals every day, my clients don't care about my problems, I need to deliver at the state of the art, can't say no today I had headache or my internet was slow, who cares!

Earlier this year wsl made a comp in Mentawai, not a major comp, just a qualifing series, and they have had a live streaming perfectly working. So it's doable. Even in remote locations.

Excuses are for loosers.

I repeat: big congrats to bring wavesailing back there but the media coverage is years and years behind, and that's a fact!


The IWT are doing a great job with an absolute skeleton budget. You've got to start somewhere and hopefully they can keep building on their successes. The WSL has a media budget in the many millions. Simeon pays the IWT media budget out of his own pocket.

And like I said before, is live-streaming that important initially? Better to have HD images 24hr later than fuzzy pixels live.


Completely agree with you Paul.

And I understand all issue about budget location etc, but what's the message going out to the public? They see fuzzy pixel. Why do they make comps pics etc? I guess to promote sport. With fuzzy pixel the sport doesn't have a nice image. As an company owner would you invest in that product? I wouldn't

And I'm sad because it's the best sport in the world on one of the best location ever.

Chapeau for organizing tho

stehsegler
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1 Sep 2022 11:19AM
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boffe said..

And like I said before, is live-streaming that important initially? Better to have HD images 24hr later than fuzzy pixels live.



Still costs a lot to produce. In many ways sporting events companies are really just content production companies. Doing the content production for an event like this with a halfway professional look you need at the bare minimum a crew of two that are able to do everything: Production Management, Camera, Drone, Audio, Interviews, Motion Graphics, travel logistics, etc etc.Assuming you can find two freelancers or a small production company that have this skill set (give me a call if you need help ) and are available during your contest window, expect to pay $50k plus for a 10 day event window. Sounds like a lot? That's really at the lower end. I can send you a budget breakdown.

The WSL has an annual budget of somewhere around US$70 to US$80 million. Each major event they put on costs somewhere between US$1 and US$3 million. They have their own full time in-house production company and hire additional help through their regional offices. You can't compare this to the IWT.

It's almost a miracle windsurfing events like this happen at all.

That said I agree with you that a better media content plan would be advisable. When look at surfing there are a lot of people that watch surf comps but don't actually surf. I think if done properly this could easily apply to windsurfing.

Flying Dutchman
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1 Sep 2022 11:30AM
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stehsegler said..
...expect to pay $50k plus for a 10 day event window. Sounds like a lot? That's really at the lower end. I can send you a budget breakdown.

I filmed Dunk at Shark Island with my drone and iPhone. 2 hours filming. A few hours editing. He bought me a $10 burger as thanks on the way home. So far 170,000 plus views.

Give me $50,000 to film an event and the crew will be getting a Sous chef for 10 days & masseuse on call.

Flying Dutchman
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1 Sep 2022 11:49AM
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boffe said..
With fuzzy pixel the sport doesn't have a nice image. As an company owner would you invest in that product? I wouldn't


Ya, fuzzy pixels aren't much fun.



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