@Windsmurf - sent you a link re that asymmetric Predator board , someones review ... oh dear ... speak to Seabreeze seriously ..... think you have TOTALLY got your wires crossed ... I sent the same link to Gestalt - he replied .... no issues ... no problems ...
@Gestalt - can you pm windsmurf and help me out ?
Not talking myself up imo ... but if someone particular on here wants to get patronising / bullying .......... with alot of posters ,
to quote (after a string of previous patronising quasi bullying BS) ...... MarkA .........." No probs man. Show some boards you bought, use some caps and you're an expert. All good. More caps and you will get believers. You go gal. '
then I'll respond (to my detriment ) , .... anything before that - talking myself up ? .... Im talking about technical stuff I experience on the water ... that is about it ! ... If I mention a move - its trying to get a sensation / technical thing across (like Ola does if talking different lines / power vert or whatever)
... Ive posted 1 photo before in years of being on here ..... (someone queried something ) ... and Ive posted 360 times ,.... MarkA posts 21753 posts , and Im talking myself up ? ,.......... in light of the pics I did post - I could have been posting that stuff years ago - " and talking myself up " - really ? - MarkaA comment .... use some caps and your an expert ....... obviously has no idea what my standard is ? - so Ive obviously been talking it up alot ... ?
anyway - now he knows - as he does re boukes pics etc - that there's others out there might be as good as him ....
So come on markA - post some pics - show me you have the skills to back up all this internet fluff ...
Wow. OK...
(1) seabreezer, you are a far better wavesailor than me, I can see that. True, I do mean it.
(2) In this thread, to my knowledge there are only 4 guys who have made boards for a job (regular income). One uses tons of toe and assy, one uses moderate toe, one says he doesn't like it on quads.
I'm kinda in between numbers 2 and 3 and called out number 1 on his theories that no other company has used. You disagree, so what. Love that you have the stoke. However, I will listen to the opinion of others and customer feedback. I also think its very telling that the big companies don't use much toe for all round boards for everyone at different spots - and that was the original question! You posting pics of your 3 customs that you love at your spots does not prove anything.
(3) A shaper / designer being an awesome sailor does not mean great boards, nor the converse - they are not dependent upon one another. My kiteboards are great (I never kited) my speed boards are fast (ditto) and whilst I am more known for making waveboards and FSW work for bigger folks (as I'm 100kg), my 67L waveboard is a ripper. My learners wingfoil is great. My carbon products for rallycars were great in 1999 but I am not a racecar driver. Same as point #2 though - it does not help me prove anything!
Sometimes I do the walk of shame as I'm testing a board way too small for me. Sometimes I'm nuts overpowered as I'm using something too big and abusing it. Its how we learn.
Using your logic of asking me for pics of me sailing - well I could ask you to post pics of boards you made, given this is basically a board design thread. That's just silly though huh. I get plenty of feedback on the stuff I don't ride or the moves I don't perform as well as my customers do them. 4 major injuries to 3 limbs doesn't help though. If a surf shaper only rides mal's now he is old, do you say his shortboards must be crap...?
(4) I called you out on using caps, maybe you don't know its seen as shouting so sorry but you did look a bit overboard with anyone who disagreed. Use caps, use bold, I'm not a moderator so I'll shut up about your chosen formatting. Sorry for saying you go gal. Was outa line.
(5) Please stop sending P.M's about personal stuff and vile accusations to my friends and customers. FFS, its a disagreement about who likes toe-in. No need for it.
Let me know when you're here next I'll give you a board or two to test.
Peace and hope your forthcoming season is good.
Measured my Quatro Cube and Severne Pyro, both zero toe. Measured my Flikka, 1 degree toe using the K4 calculator. All 3 boards are awesome.
Strewth, now theres an argument about who's best on computers.
What is it with everyone on this thread trying to out do each other by being that little bit better and having a go at each other.
Can't we just leave it that some people like a bit of toe and some don't.
Personally I like a bit of Camel toe......
Still the thread makes great reading but probably for the wrong reasons. Some of us dream of having conditions consistent enough that we could start tweaking the gear to that level of detail.
Toe in Tassie style.
honestly without realizing it.
..some are contaminating this post without contributing anything
...just subtracting.
..and perhaps this may be one of the few informations on the web about windsurfing fins toe in settings...in the future it may be of use to Many people
this for the 'neutral ' readers here that have stuck with the thread (despite all the petty BS )
For anybody interested in trying to get a bit more sideshore performance out of their boards .... K4's AI incinerator fronts are a really nice 'halfway' house in plan shape - between say Ezzy assymetrical flat inside fin (full surf style) , and stock fins .... I got hold of 3 sizes - 9's , 10's , 11's to pit against my go-to Ezzy 3 deg fins (for straight boxes ) , or the 1 deg Ezzy (maybe for flick/quatro customs / boxes with 1.5 deg toe built in) ....
They have a 70/30 foil .... Im finding them basically as good as the EZZY in full side off DTL .... they hold very similar (I take an AI front 1cm more than say Ezzy - as template is longer but narrower ) - so you have 9cm hold say vs 8cm Ezzy , VERY similar off the top ...... they're a bit stiffer than the Ezzy .... but also .... Im finding them really really fast upwind angles ..... So would be a really nice plug and play option for side on also ...
Anyways - they would be amazing option to have a few pairs in your bag - if your home spot suddenly goes surprise sideshore , or you travel somewhere with DTL conditions , and maybe then working in side-on as good / if not better than 'stock' fins ...
I like also the idea of narrower base (vs Ezzy) for quad use - little bit more free flowing area around cluster ... back leading edges of fronts mirroring the leading edges of rears a little more ( where ezzys are much more raked against Leading edge of rear ... )
sizing wise - I would say quads - upto around about 80kgs - 9cm fronts would be good (I'm 77kgs) - run with 15.5 rears g10
Not fully sure for heavier guys but
maybe 80-85 kgs - 10cm fronts ? ....
above 86-90kgs - maybe 11cm ??
above 90kgs maybe 12 's ?
depends what you've been running in your board / got used to size wise
They come in 1 or 2 deg .... so far - the 2 deg working really really good in straight boxes .... for DTL
Worth a try - and after 15 pages of forum punishment on the eyeballs - is about the most 'generalised' , grounded advice I can give for anyone to try .. they will run a bit more 'streamlined' I think than the chunky draft front stock fins that come with most cobra multifins (that to my eye just look horridly thick ) ...
The AI's have been the most noticeable change for my quad
after doing every other tune with the stock setup to improve turning.
Thanks Steve from k4 for help with sizing .
I don't know if a side fin will do anything to my board as its got a fairly deep mono concave in the tail from under the front strap right off the tail.
Its pretty sluggish to get the tail to release, been using 10cm Black projects with either a 25cm maui ultra fin or a 22cm onshore wave fin which seems to work better.
Any ideas ?????? Quite like the idea of the A.I fins as they dont seem as chunky as the Ezzy's.
1 degree 9's in a 1.5 degree box.