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Safety Bay Marathon ??????????

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Created by Paul Kelf > 9 months ago, 8 Dec 2014
Stuthepirate
SA, 3590 posts
12 Dec 2014 12:22AM
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AUS1023 said..

HF said...
How about actually doing something positive! How's this for a Safety Bay Marathon plan: We nominate a day where everyone turns up at say 3pm, (could do it with less the 7 days notice) get one person to start it and we'll film the entire "race" from a chopper. No official marks, all gybe marks will be filmed from the air so no ones going to cheat? First to a certain beach is the winner and we upload the video to Youtube that night, should be a great positive fun day out.
Doubt you'd need permission/planning approvals as it's just a bunch of guys going for a blast?
We're currently doing training with a pilot for low level work so can easily do it at no cost.

Any thoughts?


Perfect idea HF I'm 100% in.



If we can plan for the weekend of the 10th of Jan i'll start your race for you and have a cold beer with everyone at carlisle st at the end.
I'll even put on some beers

ruth
WA, 45 posts
11 Dec 2014 10:27PM
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I have been on the SBWC committee for a number of years and can shed some light on the issue of the Safety Bay Marathon and other club events.

The biggest issue that our club (and all sporting clubs these days) face is the one of liability. For a club to hold an event we are required to have a risk management plan, for us this means ensuring we have rescue boats. For a windsurfing event to be successful we need wind, which means that we need flexible dates. However, the volunteer sea rescue guys require at least a week’s notice if we want them to attend an event; and the wind forecast is not reliable enough a week in advance. This means that we can go to a huge amount of trouble to organise an event on a date fixed at least a week in advance and have insufficient wind on the day, so all the organisation is a complete waste of time. This has happened often enough to us at SBWC that members are disillusioned about organising future events. In fact, it is now a rule, that SBWC club days never have enough wind to sail (unless your name is Tom, in which case you can sail fast in a 8 knot easterly).

To hold a successful event we need flexible dates; I can see 2 possible solutions to this: (1) races or marathons are not SBWC or WWA events, they are just a group of friends sailing together, so the liability issues do not apply and therefore we do not need rescue boats and dates can be flexible (as suggested by HF); or (2) we find some competent people who have jet-skis or IRBs or some other craft from which it is safe to rescue windsurfers in strong winds and rough seas, who are willing to be on stand-by for flexible dates, then we can do it as an official club event and still meet our responsibilities wrt risk management.

A lot of people are really keen to be involved in these sort of events, we just need to be creative about how we do it, to keep ahead of the bureaucrats, and without being irresponsible or breaking the law.

firiebob
WA, 3147 posts
11 Dec 2014 10:33PM
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HF said..
How about actually doing something positive! How's this for a Safety Bay Marathon plan: We nominate a day where everyone turns up at say 3pm, (could do it with less the 7 days notice) get one person to start it and we'll film the entire "race" from a chopper. No official marks, all gybe marks will be filmed from the air so no ones going to cheat? First to a certain beach is the winner and we upload the video to Youtube that night, should be a great positive fun day out.
Doubt you'd need permission/planning approvals as it's just a bunch of guys going for a blast?
We're currently doing training with a pilot for low level work so can easily do it at no cost.

Any thoughts?


Yay, wait till I get back over there and get my fitness level up, this sounds awesome

While I'm at it, for someone like me who's been sailing in the ocean for years before GPS and years since, I'm still crap at corners That's why you'll never get me in a slalom race but I've enjoyed the Mandurah Marathon and the Cervantes Speed Weekend and made some good friends while at it

Paul Kelf
WA, 678 posts
12 Dec 2014 11:07AM
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GPS did nothing but help windsurfing in the last 7 years!

Heaps of people have come back to it & heaps have bought race gear to compete, these people would never have bought that type of gear previously.

Some people have lives & jobs outside of windsurfing which prohibits them from competing on weekdays or even weekends.

The reason racing died in Perth was the lack of people willing to get involved with the organising & the lack of sponsorship or acceptance of offered sponsorship.

Hopefully things can change for the better on the race scene.

GPS is here to stay so either get on-board or do your own thing, it doesn't really matter which

Pointman
WA, 435 posts
12 Dec 2014 12:30PM
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Seems to me that a lot of the people bagging GPSTC don't really understand the format of the competition.

There are six categories and only 3 of them (2 sec, 5 x 10 sec average & nautical mile) are purely speed-based. The alpha is all about cross-wind speed and excellent gybing. The hour is also about executing consistent, fast gybes and physical endurance. The distance category is for all the unemployed (or under-employed) bums who get to sail whenever its windy and and whenever they feel like it (including some of my team mates)

In fact unless it's really nuking (25K+), and I've got the time to venture somewhere like Safety Bay, I don't really focus on peak speed. I regularly launch at Pinnaroo and tack upwind to the breakwater, or set out from Peli Point and tack upwind to Melville or Point Walter, and sail back again. Not because I'm trying to massage my ego by going quick back downhill, but because I like sailing different angles (upwind, across wind, downwind) and find it more interesting than simply sailing back and forth. You can actually journey somewhere and back. I rarely even look at my GPS during these sessions, because I'm not focused on the numbers, just having fun.

As for the 'beach scene', well I know far more sailors now than before I joined GPSTC, and I've shared some epic sessions and road trips with some top crew. GPSTC has created a community of like-minded souls to share the stoke.

I don't agree about the implications for the racing scene either. I've done the LOC 5 times since I started GPSing. Before that I only had wave and free ride kit and when I did enter my kit wasn't big enough for the light conditions that often prevail.

Events? I have to concur with others, I think it's more about the logistics and lack of volunteers than any consequence of GPS racing.

So I'm having a hard time seeing any negatives. My sailing has improved out of sight and I'm always up for a drag across the river. I reckon I've shared a few with some of the posters bemoaning the lack of drag-racing rivals.

Reflex Films
WA, 1446 posts
12 Dec 2014 1:13PM
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Some great positive responses from the GPS crew about the social aspects of GPS

so how about incorporating GPS with some of the events

For example you could have a trophy for fastest 2 second peak or 500 meters GPS result within the Ledge to lancelin race.

So while you may not be able to do planing gybes consistently (or at all) or not fall off in chop at least you could have your own race within a race to bag the GPS top speed trophy when you do find that nice bit of flat water.

This could do a good job of bringing the positives of the GPS scene into play in the big events.

We should be trying to use the best of all the energy in the various "scenes" out there to make for the biggest after party possible.

As for the Safety Bay event- i feel for the organisers
- its a sad indictment of the merry jig the insurance companies and lawyers have us all dancing.


petermac33
WA, 6415 posts
13 Dec 2014 2:37AM
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Sailed Saturday on the Swan and now absolutely convinced that GPS has reduced the social slalom and drag racing scene here by around eighty to ninety percent.

Saw Aus1111 for the first time in a while and even he has succumbed to the dark side

Was looking forward to having a few runs against him----- but no,spent all his time sailing upwind then downwind.

Where is the thrill of the competition in GPS?

Cannot say for sure whether it has reduced the organised racing scene but on the Swan,it's greatly reduced the non organised racing scene.

Very nearly dead,especially at Melville.

Slowboat like Aus1111 spent his entire afternoon sailing upwind to then sail off the wind.

Whatever floats your boat,but lets not go into denial about what's it done to the overall racing scene.

Crasher
WA, 71 posts
13 Dec 2014 5:12AM
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Pete do you wear glasses

WindsurfingWA
WA, 803 posts
13 Dec 2014 8:29AM
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Following on for Ruth's comments above.....

Flexible date events can be run just need people with a boat or boats and people in the boats to help out driver. In terms of permits, we can get them for multiple dates too. Safety Bay is a bit more challenging due to the marine park but it can be done if we speak to the right people early enough.

If you are keen/passionate email WWA and we will get you in touch with the right people. Local dinghy sailing clubs are a great place to start too. Without the help of Jervoise Bay the King of Carnac would never have happened. The clubs have a lot of the permit work done and they are happen to take your money over the bar at the end of the day. Anyone a member at Safety Sailing Club? Maybe they would be keen to run the rescue boats for us.

Info@windsurfingWA.org.au

We have already been in contact with people keen to do a 1hr race (not freerace) so the fire in the belly is building.

Paul Kelf
WA, 678 posts
13 Dec 2014 1:33PM
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barn said..
My biggest gripe with GPS sailors is this one thread on Seabreeze, I made this Gif series showing my new invention..

Wile. E builds a slingshot on his Gath and uses it to shoot the GPS forward to increase his 2 second peak, finally topping his PB, only 2 knots behind The RoadRunner!!




He even has two hooks on his spreader bar, which was something I once saw down in sandy point.. This is a funny on many levels..

I didn't even manage 3 green thumbs, the humour of GPS sailors is almost as flat as the water they use!!




Not sure the Red lacka will last long

elmo
WA, 8737 posts
13 Dec 2014 8:21PM
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petermac33 said..
Sailed Saturday on the Swan and now absolutely convinced that GPS has reduced the social slalom and drag racing scene here by around eighty to ninety percent.

Saw Aus1111 for the first time in a while and even he has succumbed to the dark side

Was looking forward to having a few runs against him----- but no,spent all his time sailing upwind then downwind.

Where is the thrill of the competition in GPS?

Cannot say for sure whether it has reduced the organised racing scene but on the Swan,it's greatly reduced the non organised racing scene.

Very nearly dead,especially at Melville.

Slowboat like Aus1111 spent his entire afternoon sailing upwind to then sail off the wind.

Whatever floats your boat,but lets not go into denial about what's it done to the overall racing scene.



You sailed Saturday and wondered where everybody was?

Perchance they were at Greenhead at the wave and slalom competition up there

slowboat
WA, 554 posts
13 Dec 2014 9:20PM
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Slalom at leighton. We destroyed that place in the 90s. And surprised quite a few of the visiting PBA crew who oiften joined us. It was our daily ritual. The crazy floaters we all got into on the windy days. Byron marsh was king for that. The crooked stick that was the outside mark. Fig 8 going non stop. Causual racing, join in and drag your mates. Practice, jump, fang offwind whatever. Gold. We all had loads of time for it.

Now the gear is better so its fun to sail in the gusty river. We've all (well most of us) taken on more commitments that compete or simply surpass the place windsurfing has in our lives. The afternoon traffic is shocking and you cant speed any more, and most of us are nailed to a desk until its too late to choose where to sail if we are lucky enough to get out. Then theres the obvious side that as we get older we generally take on more responsibility. All this competing for the cruisy afternoon waiting for the wind or our next heat.

GPS. Well, its pretty simple. If you love going fast (thats me) and want to improve (thats me too), then without a GPS you are just using your imagination. Sailing alongside someone doesnt make you faster. You just have to play a whole lot of extra variables and make it a game competing against the other guy. Thats a very different game to going as fast as you can.

I love slalom racing. Its loads of fun. Challenging, intense, difficult to do well in a competent field, and a whole lot of variables thrown in.

I prefer going fast.

And I prefer wave sailing to slalom if there are uncrowded decent waves. Yes. Its true.

Freestyle? Waaaaaaay too old and crusty for that but it looks ace.

All of these things are wonderful things to do- especially when the conditions suit.

Do I have time to pursue all of these great things?

Sadly (in some ways), no. That's the reality for most of us.

All up, if you dont have time for all of it, pick practical.

Peli Pt slalom on a Wed is awesome. If I could get there, race and be home by 6pm it would be feasible. But practically, it would require a time machine.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8045 posts
14 Dec 2014 2:20PM
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barn said..
My biggest gripe with GPS sailors is this one thread on Seabreeze, I made this Gif series showing my new invention..

Wile. E builds a slingshot on his Gath and uses it to shoot the GPS forward to increase his 2 second peak, finally topping his PB, only 2 knots behind The RoadRunner!!




He even has two hooks on his spreader bar, which was something I once saw down in sandy point.. This is a funny on many levels..

I didn't even manage 3 green thumbs, the humour of GPS sailors is almost as flat as the water they use!!




Mmm might try that one.. Ps I green thumbed you.. must have been red thumbed out..

wa881
WA, 205 posts
15 Dec 2014 4:23PM
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slowboat said..
Slalom at leighton. We destroyed that place in the 90s. And surprised quite a few of the visiting PBA crew who oiften joined us. It was our daily ritual. The crazy floaters we all got into on the windy days. Byron marsh was king for that. The crooked stick that was the outside mark. Fig 8 going non stop. Causual racing, join in and drag your mates. Practice, jump, fang offwind whatever. Gold. We all had loads of time for it.

Now the gear is better so its fun to sail in the gusty river. We've all (well most of us) taken on more commitments that compete or simply surpass the place windsurfing has in our lives. The afternoon traffic is shocking and you cant speed any more, and most of us are nailed to a desk until its too late to choose where to sail if we are lucky enough to get out. Then theres the obvious side that as we get older we generally take on more responsibility. All this competing for the cruisy afternoon waiting for the wind or our next heat.

GPS. Well, its pretty simple. If you love going fast (thats me) and want to improve (thats me too), then without a GPS you are just using your imagination. Sailing alongside someone doesnt make you faster. You just have to play a whole lot of extra variables and make it a game competing against the other guy. Thats a very different game to going as fast as you can.

I love slalom racing. Its loads of fun. Challenging, intense, difficult to do well in a competent field, and a whole lot of variables thrown in.

I prefer going fast.

And I prefer wave sailing to slalom if there are uncrowded decent waves. Yes. Its true.

Freestyle? Waaaaaaay too old and crusty for that but it looks ace.

All of these things are wonderful things to do- especially when the conditions suit.

Do I have time to pursue all of these great things?

Sadly (in some ways), no. That's the reality for most of us.

All up, if you dont have time for all of it, pick practical.

Peli Pt slalom on a Wed is awesome. If I could get there, race and be home by 6pm it would be feasible. But practically, it would require a time machine.



+1+1 for what Slowly and Pointman said. Plenty of people around to have a drag with if you're in the right place at the right time. GPS has improved my sailing because of the analysis that it provides. That said, it also eventually has it's limitations, when other commitments (of which I have many and Slowly is coming to appreciate as a new dad ), get in the way and you can't perhaps make the most of it. So Wednesday slalom racing is a great option for time poor individuals like me, you get to race with and meet lots of new people with the same passion. Just get into it if you what a drag.

But as I've also come to appreciate, you're never too old to learn new tricks either. I sailed Gnaraloo last year for the first time - and this is after not having wavesailed ever before. Sailed it again this October and had a blast. I'm no guru but it gave me a great appreciation for the variety the sport has to offer. If you had told me two years ago I would be wavesailing Gnaraloo and actually riding waves there, I would have LMFAO ! And, I'm 45 !



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