I am 92kg. Since I got Super K 80l it is the only board I use in all conditions from light wind to nuking. I don't do freestyle. For my riding - free ride/waves - the range of the board is phenomenal.
Select to expand quoteBigZ said..
I am 92kg. Since I got Super K 80l it is the only board I use in all conditions from light wind to nuking. I don't do freestyle. For my riding - free ride/waves - the range of the board is phenomenal.
Well, define "light wind"..for some that means 12kts and for some it means 7kts. I doubt that this volume with your weight would be very effective if submerged in basically no wind, or am I wrong?
Select to expand quotepacoz said..BigZ said..
I am 92kg. Since I got Super K 80l it is the only board I use in all conditions from light wind to nuking. I don't do freestyle. For my riding - free ride/waves - the range of the board is phenomenal.
Well, define "light wind"..for some that means 12kts and for some it means 7kts. I doubt that this volume with your weight would be very effective if submerged in basically no wind, or am I wrong?
10+ for me. 80l KT, 825 Foil, 7m wing. Agree, going below 10 would require different equipment.
KT Super K 60 in some fun waves. 750 cm2 front wing, I am 72 kg. What a day again.
Select to expand quoteJeroensurf said..
Some info from a different weight class
188x97kg
:I have Sunova Casey Elite 7.6x23x137l for supfoil and DW supfoil+ very light wind winging, an AK PHazer5.6x27x90l and bought after demoing different boards the SuperK 6.5x22x 92l So for me its minus 5+wetsuit etc. Foils: AFS Pure1100+ Silk1050 and 850, riding strapless, wings from 5.5 to 3m The cheesiest and honest thing I can say is that the board is Super!
The glide/acceleration is phenomenal. As soon as you sit on your knees the board already starts to get going, its way more stable for me as the 5.6 Phazer and the other boards I tried. That wider tail and extra length does wonders.Bonus: when I have a touch down it easily bounches up.I prefer it in surfing although I can imganine that in more wind and small waves the Phazer might feel more agile due less swingweight. So far I haven,t seen conditions like that and it has been more wider turns waves instead of very short close to the pocket kinda riding.
Compared to some other boards, and please keep in mind that I ride strapless, so I have no clue about foot strap positionsAFS Whitebird 6.8x23x115l. The AFS floats me better obviously but I didnt had the feel that it got me quicker in the foil, and in side chop the AFS was harder to balance for me (maybe because of the thicker rails catching wind?Cab Swift 6.3x20x100l. ...as most women would tell you..2inches make a lot of differences In this case in stability. I think the Swift is an excellent board and it glides quickly, but in lightwind serious chop it is for me a B#tch to get on.
Sab Torpedo 100l 6.3x19.90: the one that felt the smallest to me. Least swingweight in the nose, most agile feel and it could easily be my highwind board if it was more stable for me 19.9 is just not wide enough and with touch downs in a bottom turn its more eager to suck in/ not to release as the KT.
I have an Appletree DW Skipper 92l; 5'11"x22.5" for light wind. With my 92kg I was thinking that a little longer, more narrow (20") board with some extra volume (+/- 105ltr) would be even better. The Skipper feels so small that I wouldnt mind some extra volume and length. And more narrow would perform significantly better in light wind. I thought more length also makes a board more stabile and that would compensate a more narrow shape (partly). But if I read your comment I'd better stick to the Skipper, right? Is it because of the conditions at your home spot? I guess the North Sea, just like me?
On your question, is length help on a narrow board. I do have a 7' X19.5 for 104L and I've tested a 6' X21 for 105L...they are both about the same stability. The shorter one is more nimble while taxing kneeling or sitting on the board and you play with your wing to adjust your course.The 7' glide just a bit more in very very low wind, I was testing both of them in 6-8 knots gusting to 10, it's not a deal breaker to have the shorter one for a low wind board.It's not just the width. If you don't have some some clearance on the tail (maybe tail rocker, in the test it was a step out at the back) you cannot pump the board on foil soon enough and you will relies on speed glide....and some shape tend to stick to water and need an extra pull to unstick them. So in very very low wind, everything is important.The main problem we do have now is:DW board are now sup dw board oriented and has unnecessary length that is not required for winging.ML are the buzz of the moment and some are focusing on the ML for high wind and I don't think this is where it should go. A ML is for mediocre conditions. We can add a few inches for smaller boards, some company went crazy short in the past I agree....but we definitely need length for low wind board and a bit less for 15knts + board IMO
Hi Rolf,
Yeah I sail mainly at home in the Netherlands at the Northsea, Wijk aan Zee/IJmuiden/Bloemendaal are all a 10-20min a drive.The last 2 weeks I,m in Ireland-Brandon Bay enjoying holiday in Ocean swell. Epic here!I tried a few Appletrees and although I love the fact that they are designed just around the corner and build in Europe, I never found them really stable. Once on the foil they are great, but easy to roll and harder to get on the foil, so it isnt just numbers in a shape to look at.The SuperK feels a bit bigger as the numbers suggest, but it suits me and my style of riding really well.If you are foiling nearby we can swap boards when i,m back so you can try it out.
@Nordroi, I totally agree o the fact that itsnt just length and width but also rocker. As a (wannabe) DWer I have no problem that these boards differentiate from wing foil as it is just a different discipline.I disagree the part about mid-length for stronger wind.
I used my board here in 30+ knots and 3m+ waves fully overpowered with my 3.5 (wave-sailors couldnt hold on there 4m sails!) and the board was still doing very well. Especially when it gets rough the extra length makes getting on the board a LOT easier and when it is that windy, I can,t make very short snappy turns anyway so the length doesnt hinder me at all.
Unlike my AK Phazer 5.6x27x90l the nose doesnt seem to catch wind from under.
3 days ago it was powered up 3m wind and if my wife would be able to shuttle I would have done a Sup DWer, but she couldnt so I went winging with a 3m maxxed out on my Wingdrifter 5.4x22x56l The shorter lower volume was fun once on the foil, but way harder to get on your feet.
What might be an influence is body length. I,m 188cmx97kg so my centre of gravity is higher but I also got more leverage and a wider stance as some one of lets say 170cm. To me those mid length feel way more in balance as the 5.6x90l kinda boards.
To swap boards would be great:). My homespot is Scheveningen. Do you ever go there? I was thinking about substituting my Appletree DW Skipper (92l; 5'11"x22.5") for a Torpedo 100l or 110l. With my 92kg the AT doesn't take off miraculously easy in light winds. But when I read your comments about narrow boards Im not sure if +/- 20" is stable enough for North sea conditions. Maybe weight is a factor? Maybe with 1.88/92kg the 100l would be more stable for me? Or maybe the 110l would be a better choice next to a Takoon glide v2 70l?
Hi Rolf, i visit Scheev very rarely, but maybe good to meet up there. sailing different spots is always fun.Regarding boards:
I am 5kg heavier then you are and same length.The Torpedo was for me too wobbly in really light winds. When powered up and on the foil it feels small and surfs really good, but the low end felt less than my AK Phazer 5.6x90lEspecially in light wind when slogging the Torpedo was really prone to role in our chop and short period waves when off the foil. All the other boards I tried so far, (the Indiana midlength, Sunova Carver85+95l, AFS Whitebird and KT SuperK felt more stableFrom my perspective the SuperK is right now the board to beat right in the mid length class although I also hear very good stories about the F-one as well.
Can anyone compare the KT SuperK against the Duotone Skybrid? I'm thinking about what to buy as my first dedicated wing board after I get my gybes & tacks sorted on my current board. I want something that has decent light-ish wind performance (above 12-14kts, but in strong wind I'm more likely to windsurf) for flat water freeride & maybe small surf, no interest in jumping or big surf at this stage.
I haven,t tried the Skybrid, but at gleiten.tv they have comprehensive tests of a lot of bards including the Skybrid and SuperKIts German, but I guess that it is with subtitles good to follow.
gleiten.tv/index.php/video/action/list/page/497/
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
Willing to bet the KT is better built
In the past KT boards were fragile. We received three here all if them needed extra care.
Select to expand quoteNordRoi said..Grantmac said..
Willing to bet the KT is better built
In the past KT boards were fragile. We received three here all if them needed extra care.
Interesting. I've seen some munched rails on Duotone but perhaps they were just roughly used.
Select to expand quoteNordRoi said..Grantmac said..
Willing to bet the KT is better built
In the past KT boards were fragile. We received three here all if them needed extra care.
This was most true for the first couple of generations. They have a new construction that so far seems durable for the weight (light) and they resist knocks better. I've had 6 different KT boards over the last few years (including the first Quatro-branded boards) now with zero issues. I think they've struck the right compromise in weight/strength/durability.
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@Nordroi, I totally agree o the fact that itsnt just length and width but also rocker. As a (wannabe) DWer I have no problem that these boards differentiate from wing foil as it is just a different discipline.I disagree the part about mid-length for stronger wind.
I used my board here in 30+ knots and 3m+ waves fully overpowered with my 3.5 (wave-sailors couldnt hold on there 4m sails!) and the board was still doing very well. Especially when it gets rough the extra length makes getting on the board a LOT easier and when it is that windy, I can,t make very short snappy turns anyway so the length doesnt hinder me at all.
Unlike my AK Phazer 5.6x27x90l the nose doesnt seem to catch wind from under.
3 days ago it was powered up 3m wind and if my wife would be able to shuttle I would have done a Sup DWer, but she couldnt so I went winging with a 3m maxxed out on my Wingdrifter 5.4x22x56l The shorter lower volume was fun once on the foil, but way harder to get on your feet.
What might be an influence is body length. I,m 188cmx97kg so my centre of gravity is higher but I also got more leverage and a wider stance as some one of lets say 170cm. To me those mid length feel way more in balance as the 5.6x90l kinda boards.
Reading your review i don't think you feel the need for going smaller than the 92 liters?
I (1,92m, 94 kg) am also thinking about my next small board and would like to to stay with the volume close to my weight, since i got some bad experiences (and also watched others) with too small boards in dying winds.
For light or variable winds i really love my AFS Whitbird 6'8-like Customboard, this board feels not like 6'8 or 114 liters and is so much fun too ride in waves or even to jump. Recently i had amazing sessions with my underpowered 4,3 Ozone Flux in my Portugal holidays.
My 5'1 x 24, 89 liter board is more agile for sure, but if conditions are not super strong i'm more and more on the 6'8.
I guess with a board like the Super K 92 i'd be using the small board more often again.
I think so.last monday I was back home in the netherlands out on the water in a dying wind. In the end only a guy with an 8ft DW board and Sab1260 Pro was able to get on the foil before I couldnt. The volume on the 92l SuperK was for me just enough to slog standing back while I needed to keep the wing up because the wind was too low to keep up by itself. On my 5.6x27x90l board it would be too unstable, too slow and a swim back and I wouldnt be earlier on the foil with my SDunova Casey Elite 7.6x23x137l DW board.
At the same time, on holiday in Ireland I was happily using it with a 3.5 overpowered and a Silk850 in total control withe the SuperK.
My 5.5x56l board feels in conditions like that more snappy and maneuvrable, but is also a b#tch to get going in gusty conditions and lots of chaotic chop. Its fun to ride, but the window of usage is a lot smaller.The board is 2y old, used and I have a big garage so I won,t sell it, because in days with fun waves and constant wind its fun to have, but the SuperK could easily be my 1 board quiver.
Select to expand quoteRolfB said..
To swap boards would be great:). My homespot is Scheveningen. Do you ever go there? I was thinking about substituting my Appletree DW Skipper (92l; 5'11"x22.5") for a Torpedo 100l or 110l. With my 92kg the AT doesn't take off miraculously easy in light winds. But when I read your comments about narrow boards Im not sure if +/- 20" is stable enough for North sea conditions. Maybe weight is a factor? Maybe with 1.88/92kg the 100l would be more stable for me? Or maybe the 110l would be a better choice next to a Takoon glide v2 70l?
I do own a dw and i've tried a ML. I also own a 50L 4'8 and owned a 60L, 90 etc.
I think people living in gusty conditions should oversize their ML board, unless you want to surf a wave as hard as a surfboard. The larger ML with 19-21 inches wide behave a lot smaller than their volume indicate. They have good control over the foil and very good rail to rail, we will look a a lot more the width now.
find your width, then add your length for your requires volume or sort of.
I'm considering switching to a ML board and would appreciate some of your insights. I'm currently riding a 60L f-one Rocket wing from 2022 at 73kg bodyweight. I use this board for all conditions and start foiling at around 10-12 knots with a 5.5 wing.
For the ML i would like to go as small as possible such that there is still a benefit in taking of with less wind or a smaller foil/wing. The reason i like to go small is mainly practical (transportation).
So my mind is at something in the range from 60 to 75 litres. Do you think that makes sense? If i go with a 60L, will the difference to my current board be noticable?
Appreciate any insights!
@zebras, it depends what the weight and dims of your fone are. Longer narrower gives the ML boards the edge, under 23" wide and going narrower and narrower means less and less drag, the difference in weight between an ML board of 65l to 75l is minimal, I think it depends on what width you feel comfy with. The Ginxu2 is the shorter ML compromise as apposed to an Armstrong ML or a KT super K which are longer for the liters.
