Why do people insist on driving when they can't competently drive!!!?? If you are incompetent to keep up with the speed limits on freeways, then get off the bloody road and catch the train or something.
public transport in does not exsist outside population centres, and barely exsists within population centres
I ride to work and witness the following every day:
a doner cycle or a pushbike...?
- If the road is slightly wet - everyone slows down way below the speed limit...
- If the sun is slightly off the mid-day 90 degree angle everyone slows down way below the speed limit because of the "glare"...
- If there is a stationary vehicle in the emergency lane - everyone slows down whilst passing it... WTF!!! THE VEHICLE IS NOT IN YOUR BLOODY LANE... it's in a separate emergency lane - keep flippin driving and stop wasting everyone elses time!!!!
maybe for the sake of safety...?
I for one would hope if I was in a brake down lane, that fellow comuters would slow to see if I required assistance
- Most drivers (99%) on the roads dissobey "Keep left unless overtaking" rule. You don't f..king own the road, move to the left unless you are actually overtaking you idiots!!!!
actually we all own the roads, thanks to our (supposed) taxes, while I may agree with you on principal, even being held up in by slow drivers in the fast lane sure as hell beats walking... both for effort and speed
- People overtaking in the right lane whilst driving under the speed limit!!!! - I generally keep calm on the road, but honestly if I had an old HUMMER with no rego plates, I'd just drive over you!!!
you'd kill someone, possibly their family and change irrecovably the course of their history and your and your families own.... to what, save a few minutes...?
I never get into a road rage.....
dude, this is road rage...
and I'm very tolerant of others whilst driving, and always keep my road manners, but with so many idiot drivers roaming our country, you can't just sit back (hence my post here)...
yes you can, its called patience
Unfortunatelly, those who make up laws don't drive to work during peak hour so I don't think they really care about doing somethign about educating drivers and turning them into good efficient drivers... instead it's all focused around speeding camera profits.
by stealing your right to free and unimpeded travel as a free person of the land and charging you a tax upon a crime that hasn't been commited....? I agree with you here, but you have to respect that those who use a public thouroughfare may not be as 'competent' as you feel you are and as much as you believe they should 'be'... maybe because I have high speed driver training, you are not as competent as I believe you should be...? Maybe you should get off my road because I am more competent than you are...?
If you can't drive - then get the hell off the road and catch public transport or ride a bicycle...
From your post i believe you to be the type of person who will next week post about the bloody cyclists taking up all the road and causing you delays....
If you share a similar experience, or disagree, then voice your opinion here...
i think you, from your post are simply arrogant and impatient
p.s.(1) no, i don't drive like a hoon... i have kids and drive vigilently but efficiently.. however i'm not impressed when incompetency of others wastes everyone elses time... i suppose one could say, just chill out and enjoy life, and that's true... but i'd rather enjoy life being at home, or surfin or something, than spending an unnecessary portion of my life in the car...
then dude, there is your answer, sell your car, take public transport and shut the faark up and chill out
p.s.(2) If you live in a state/city where there are no such problems then I apologise for generalising with the thread title...
serriously... I feel sorry for people like you... your grand parents great grandparents or if you come from a fuuck happy bogan stock, great great grandparents would have appreciated the expediency of motor transport without being aware of the ecological damage such a luxury affords...
here you are as wise as we are in the 21st century and you are whining like a little biitch because someone is hogging your lane, fully aware that the actions of you driving today, a so called "fossil feulled' motor vehicle, will be directly responsible for the extinction of you immediate desendants tommorrow...
get over yourself
What is it with you Perth drivers??
You all say Perth drivers are the worst in Oz.
Tell you what, move to Sydney, drive to work Monday to Friday and then try to go shopping or to the beach etc on a Saturday or Sunday. Doesnt matter what time of the day, you WILL discover Australia's WORST drivers!!!!!!!!
I recon what Superlizard is saying, is make driving the focus of what your doing when you get behind the wheel, not talking on your phone,not texting, not zoning out , concentrating. My truck driving tester said to me make every kilometer you drive be the best kilometer you've ever driven. For me, people that say relax, don't stress, we're all going to get to our destination in the end are menaces to society. what they're in effect saying is "hey everybody drive to my standards" and "I can't be bothered thinking on the road ......but will you think for me?". When I first came to melbourne years ago the driving was excellent, fast , decisive, purposeful, almost aggressive. People let you in but if you missed your opportunity, well, tough, pay attention. People wouldn't stand dawdling,aimless,"i'm just looking in the shops" driving. They would honk like hell. Now drivers have "wiped off 25" and everyone now has more time to text
I think some of us have a different idea of what constitutes "WORST" driving. For some of us it's simply having cars in front stopping us from driving where we want as fast as we want.
To me bad drivers:
- run red lights
- change lanes excessively
- accelerate too fast (motor bikes are worst)
- pass the car in front just because it's there
- rush up the inside lane then push in when they get to the parked car or roadworks sign (or generally drive oblivious of conditions ahead until it's too late)
- hog the right lane by driving just above the speed limit
- rush up to the back of the pack in front.
- overtake drivers as they are about to pass a cyclist
- block intersections, keep clear sections and level crossings
- cut in after overtaking with minimal clearance
- run fog lights AND head lights at the same time
- harass and bully everybody else on the road.
- believe that driving at the limit of their superior skills and handling abilities constitutes good driving.
^^^^ Gorgo, i couldn't agree more with most of your statements...
Superlizard dude
A good driver is in large part determined by their attitude on the road.
Your attitude is you are complaining about people who are driving in a more safe manner than you. And you somehow think that makes them a worse driver, go figure???
Not everyone has the same level of experience, capability or equipment. They may be a new parent with a new born and are being extra cautious or a senior citizen whose relexes aren't as fast as a 30yr old and hence drive accordingly. They maybe going to a dinner party and their wife next to them is gingerly holding a bowl of vindaloo curry. There are many reasons why people don't necessarily travel at the MAXIMUM speed limit, and not just a wet freeway.
You seriously need to get of your high horse, stop thinking about just yourself and be more considerate. You'll drive/ride safer, you'll be less stressed out and your kids will see the example you set and learn to be better drivers too.
Mind you, we do agree on some points, accelerating hard-ish I certainly don't have a problem with after owning both sports bikes and cars. I also own a 2tonne landcruiser that accelerates slower than a snail up a hill.
If the coast is truly clear then there's nothing wrong with giving it a little stick from time to time.
If you are with traffic then you need to drive in a manner consistent with the general flow and in a way that you can reasonably adapt to anything that happens.
If you are accelerating way faster than the rest of the traffic then you become an out of control variable. People are making judgements and reacting to a perceived traffic situation and along comes somebody accelerating at twice the rate of the rest of the traffic.
Bikes are always complaining, "The car pulled out on me without warning." I'll bet a significant number of the car drivers would say "The bike appeared out of nowhere." They're both right. The car did the wrong thing but the bike created the situation by moving faster than everybody else and not being prepared to stop.
Gorgo, I agree with most of your points but here's a few more
Correct, it is relative. The sports bike example is not correct. Acceleration has nothing to do with hooning and everything about consistency.
I think the real problem is that there is a fundamental attitude problem with drivers.
Many drivers think in terms of getting from A to B as quickly as possible. They have an expectation of a right to use the road in a way that gets them around quickly. That leads to all the bad stuff.
I think the responsibility of the driver is to get from A to B as safely and smoothly as possible. Speed and travel time is completely irrelevant. This means avoiding bad behaviours, not doing stupid stuff, not taking the bait when dick heads do stupid things, not stressing out. Arriving places relaxed and comfortable.
I've been doing this for the past few years and it works a treat. Long trips are effortless. The morning commute is easy. Traffic jams are a chance to listen podcasts and stuff.
I'm not a paragon by any means. I still want a death ray to blast all the road hogs and overly aggressive drivers. It's just I try to be calm and relaxed and generally success.
anny one who uses the line ..... speed cameras are just to raise $$$$ is a tool
speed cameras are only used to prevent speeding. (or punish them)if no on speed then they would be around .. .. slowing down when thiers a ton of glare or the road is wet ..isnt that the right thing to do ... drive to the conditions. if you speed u run the risk of being caught or crashing..eh
The single most anoying and dangerous thing today on the roads in Victoria is. Drivers that do not dip their Head lights early enough ,or at all in some cases.
This is brought about by the current Law which is something like " must dip lights within 150 mtrs of another car "
This law is crap!
When I was taught to drive , as soon as you could see the glow of a tail light , or head light even if it was miles ahead of you.. you would dip the headlights.
There.... been wanting to broadcast that for a long time.
When conditions are that simple you're absolutely correct.
On my trips down the coast the freeway is often full but moving well.
You have the left lane sitting on 95 and the right lane sitting on 100. There's a fairly sold stream of traffic ahead.
A car pulls in close behind me close on my tail. I maintain my speed, passing the slower cars and pull over at the first sizable gap.
The other guy accelerates up to the car in front and continues pushing. Meanwhile, I'm stuck in the slow lane with no real chance to get back into the right lane.
That situation happens all the time. The guy in the right lane is the road hog and indulging in all sorts of anti-social and illegal behaviour.
The road system is exactly that, a system. Nobody has any rights, only responsibilities.
(Actually we do have one right. The right to be able to travel without being harassed by thugs armed with offensive weapons. It's odd that there are people who think intimidation and harassment is ok on the road, and in surf breaks.)
I agree FormulaNova, single lanes, take away any thoughts of lane changing altogether.
They had one in Canberra - the GDE - A single lane each way for a couple of kilometers. Concrete barrier separating oncoming traffic the whole way, no prospect of overtaking at all . You could rightfully sit on the 80kph limit and nobody could pass.
Everybody except me hated it, I think they've recently widened it.
A pity concrete has such a carbon footprint, otherwise those barriers could solve most of the traffic problems.
At peak hr it did slow down as cars got too close together, but they moved along at a steady pace, no traffic lights and only one on ramp to contend with. It was unusual to build a freeway in two stages . They had issues with green protests, turning the first sod and funding I suppose. One lane each way to start with but a freeway in every other respect.
Possibly a necessity at present but is building all freeways and bridges to cope a traffic jam of 30 ton semis the way to go?
A couple of lightly engineered single lane freeways scattered about in the urban system, limited to be used by 800kg * 1.5 metre wide passenger vehicles, would soon get us into smaller vehicles. Save fossil fuel and despite a bit of duplication maybe engineering costs in the long term.
I don't care if I'm a few minutes late anymore. Everyone's in such a rush to get somewhere to probably do nothing important anyway. It's rare you're truly late for a plane.
60Km trip to work.
@average speed of 100Km/h = 36 minutes
@average speed of 90Km/h = 40 minutes
Who gives a **** about 4 minutes?