I have to laugh at some of the well intended but ill informed people who save water in the shower. If they became informed as to the real state of affairs, that the water used by industry, was not only cheaper but wasted on a tragic level, they would begin to be able to make a difference. When the chook abbatoir at Beresfield is operating you could get a canoe down their outflow.
I did not have the opportunity to see it on a washdown!
The aluminium plant at Kurri Kurri uses so much continuous electrical power that an outage causes mayhem with the coal fired plants up the valley that it attacts a huge cash penalty as insurance that it keep running.
Since when has a tax ever fixed anything?
If we had to pay the same rate per liter of water and the same for a watt of spark that the aluminum smelter paid then we would be smiling.
We are a cash cow and they will suck every last drop
Ohh and as for the "Europeans" well maybe U's misted the riots ALL over the continent while watching that ILLiterate, back stabbing, two faced wranger... promise the "peoples" health and prosperity.
It was a photo finish there. Who wasted the the the more time, flysurfer in writing that or me reading it.
If you're living on 200 bucks a week then you'll get tax relief for the carbon tax. But I'll bet your not and your just trying some sort of "straw man" situation. If you are living on 200 bucks a week , go to centrelink explain you situation( actually DONT explain you situation, especially that bit about "world government"). Just say your unemployed. I think new start allowance is about $230 bucks a week. that should keep you going while a climate scientist position becomes available seeing your right up with all that CO2 theory.
So I posed the question to a globalist... why are you doing this through deception?... the reaction was there is no deception the world is in imminent danger, this transcends boarders and there are no structures to manage it.
What about the issues that are there and present, like pollution, deforestation and marine destruction?... WELL to "tackle" these issues we need money, and that's where the CO2 trading mechanisms come in.
Why not just use the existing mechanisms, instead of steeling power? We're not steeling power we're getting countries to outsource global problems to an organization better equipped to deal with them. Without individual countries agreeing to abide by the rules we will be bogged down in a never ending, do nothing bureaucratic nightmare while the planet falls apart.
So our politicians really believe they're doing what's best for the world. They're not telling you the big picture, cos well that's standard political practise.
The big picture is that the CO2 program is not the end, it's just the beginning. They want to centralize populations in cities (I prefer Kevin Rudd's idea of spreading the population wide and thin, connected with hi speed interenet), change development metrics, dismantle the consumer culture, set up new national parks to help environment restoration and create marine sanctuaries.
What about the population problem? Metropolitan people generally don't maintain replacement levels.
Won't these cities be cesspits of crime and disease? No, no we'll try and make them as green and nice as possible. Cycle lanes, vegetable gardens, etc.
-All good ideas and I support them.
But it doesn't change the fact that they're lying, and they're financial benefactors were/are behind globalization... the same globalization that ships Apples from China to Australia, and Apples from Australia to Taiwan.
So there you have it EvlPanda a quick overview of why the Carbon tax.
So who really is behind this uprising in Tunisia, Eygpt, Lybia and now Syria?
Have moles been put in place to bring these places into line for the new world order? or is it their way to express they don't want a carbon tax?
The West warned the middle east in 2006 and specifically Egypt that they better implement the west's version of democracy or else there would be civil unrest.
They didn't and they got it.
Libya is a simple oil theft for western companies. Gadaffi should have been smarter.
Syria is a civil unrest operation, similar to the green revolution in Iran... problem is Syria only has one party.
Propaganda is much more sophisticated these days; gone are the days of radio "news" broadcasts in to a country... well it still happens but they also change search page results to boost stories, plant millions of comments/post using bots (virtual people), doctor photographs and video. Define the theme, and watch the bots go.
Doctoring photo's and video is so easy now, it's easy to remove, move, add objects you can do it yourself. The results are so convincing it's impossible to tell on a youtube video or webpage.
Here's an example, the image below is composed of 10 images with very large sections of missing/black spaces
Most of the image right of the guy in white is fake, the massive rock on the left is missing most of the middle. Even in high res people can't distinguish the fake areas.
Here look at the original stitches.
choco: i didn't really answer your question properly before. What's going on in the middle east is an attempt to bring western style democracy there, develop the country, have them adopt the usury system (get in to debt) so the populace consumes western goods (infrastructure, and consumer).
It's more of the earth flattening principle I describe before.
They still don't know much about a carbon tax, carbon tax is for the rich countries.
So yes the middle east wants change, yes the west is driving it to bring them in to the nwo, and no it's not about a carbon tax.
Or,.. it could just be that after putting up with the bloodsucking governments that they've had for the last 50 years, the people have finally become aware via the internet and other modern communications, that there is a better way of living and they want to change to that way.
But then hey, that's not half as believeable as a nwo organised plot to take over the world is it?
How did we get from a discussion on carbon tax in Australia, which is real and imminent, to a nwo takeover of the whole planet, which doesn't seem to have progressed at all since I first heard it 50 years ago? (And it was old then by the way.)
Back to the topic pleeeeeeease!
Went to an observatory recently and scientists there reckon forget climate change, its rubbish. We have a far bigger problem. The star Betelgeuse at 600 light years away is about to explode and when it does if it hasn't already we're all f#*ked because all the gamma and X-rays are going to rip off our ozone layer. Doomsday prophesy perhaps but we do seem to be wasting recourses at a huge rate.
We were in the Hunter Valley yesterday to attend a wedding. On our way we stopped in Maitland for lunch. Heading out we passed the railway line and passed a coal train. The train was heading towards Newcastle. It was huge and took a couple of minutes to pass.
So why do we need a carbon dioxide tax in Australia when we are digging up and exporting huge amounts of coal? We also export enormous amounts of liquid petroleum gas. Why will the burning of the stuff be taxed in Australia while its great to export it for burning overseas?
Well it is obviously our fault for digging the coal up,(on behalf of the multi national companies we do it for) so it is all down to us for the pollution it causes.
Isn't it??
A Carbon Tax may have a slight chance of getting through, however, when PM Ju'liar stood up and lied blatantly to the populace before the election they are now a bit sceptical, and before you say "they all lie" (which we all know is a fact), this lie WILL cost us all because the business's WILL have to pass the cost on until it gets to the bottom of the food chain, you and I. I work for a company who will be hit by the tax and they are very concerned, (and yes, they already do their best to clean up their act whenever possible).
