Global governance - Good or Bad?

" he who quotes other's a lot , may have to much time on his hands "

You haven't presented a shred of solid argument. All you've done is put up an enormous list of random quotes - one of which was apparently from Robert Heinlein. You ARE aware Robert Heinlein was a science fiction writer aren't you?

So, you read about it where? Hopefully not on some website alongside the one about aliens eating our brains. What did you learn? A quote out of context is useless. What was the context? What did you learn? What are the major points of your argument?

Wilson lead his nation into World War I among other things. I don't doubt that he regretted some of the things he'd done.

japie thanks for that- very interesting read.

'I can't think of one concrete example of some global thingy making Australia act in a certain way.'

there are plenty of quotes in there that can't be taken out of context no matter how much you guys try to write it off with mumbo jumbo


why don't you guys come up with some thing solid to disprove banks/ big money aren't running the show without the fancy word smith 'one up man ship' put downs for a change of scenery

Are there? I doubt it. Tell you what - you pick one that you and I can check out.



Because that's not how it works lacey. If you want to make wild claims, fine. How about YOU explain WHAT you are on about and WHY it should be accepted. Specifics lacey, specifics.

Loggy and soggy is ace though!

Well just because it's you and because I have a bad dose of the flu today so not up to doing much, I have looked it up japie.

Yep, it appears all over the place. And nobody can pin down when he was supposed to have said it or where. Seems odd dunnit? That something that's sooo widely quoted seems to have just materialised out of thin air?

Best guess I've found is that it's a mash of a couple of paragraphs from his book "The New Freedom: A Call for the Emancipation of the Generous Energies of a People" which you can read here:

en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_New_Freedom:_A_Call_for_the_Emancipation_of_the_Generous_Energies_of_a_People

See Chapter 8 in the sentences beginning with "A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit". But there's no mention of any Dick Dastardly cabal japie. On the contrary he says (a few paragraphs earlier)

"I am not so uninstructed and misinformed as to suppose that there is a deliberate and malevolent combination somewhere to dominate the government of the United States."

Maybe you should add that to your list?

But the most interesting thing is that the book was published in 1913 and was taken largely from Wilson's earlier campaign speeches. The Federal Reserve was also created in 1913 by Wilson himself. So he couldn't have been talking about the Federal Reserve in his book.

See lacey - context is everything!

Loved the Loggy and Soggy bit also. However to be serious for a sec, they, along with some people today suffer from the Ostrich Syndrome (head buried in the sand) and when you have your head in the sand you leave other vunerable and sensitive areas open to attack. It's really easy to say "it's not happening" or follow the media hype to follow the mindless vocal minority when confronted with all sorts of issues and roll over to get your belly scratched. In 20 years time they may look back and say "what happened".

What specifically is or is not happening? And more importantly what proof do you have to offer aside from your smarmy hinting that you know it all?

cisco,

you could be right there. Japie says science fiction writers are allowed to think so I'll give you a quote from one - "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one". To me, the greater good is more important than whether a few individuals may not like it. So I'm a nazi.

Australia is one democratically elected government - one size fits all. We seem to do OK here. In reality there are several layers to our governing. If there were one more democratically elected government above all the national government why does it necessarily follow that we would be worse off?

I get the feeling I've asked this question before. Don't remember anyone giving me any reason. Will I assume the answer is "just because"?

^^^ ;-)

Well this thread is a fractal of the greater fractal, We all do agree with each other on many many many things, lets say we are all 90% agreeable on most things in the world.
It only takes that 10% of disagreement to cause a war, even if we agreed 99.7% with each other it would only take that 0.3% to inflame the same passions.
Watched a movie called "Knuckles" the other day, about bare knuckle boxing in Ireland amongst the Irish Gypsies, they are family clans who only exist to wage war against their fellow family members.
It all starts in your own head, and can finish there too, which would than lead to the inevitable question "But, just how much can a Koala Bear?"

You've taken this line a few times lacey and I'm starting to get tired of it. Open both eyes and then go have a look at your Tinkerbell post in this very thread. I cop my share of crap on this site and yes, I'm not afraid to fling some back.

Debate? I'm very happy to debate! Try reading some of my posts! But it's kinda hard to debate when few people here seem to be able to even string together a few sentences to explain what they're on about.

You must stop getting so het up.

I bought and read David Hicks' book and read it. My house mate would have him hanged and it was a big issue if I ever went to his side. I never prompted him to read it, in fact I said nothing for four weeks. Curiosity got the better of him and he has already begun to get tuned in. I use this forum to bounce ideas and get reactions so I can argue with him. You are right though, of course I cannot provide evidence. I do not need to though because a lot of that has been done by others.

Anyhow, being as you are so good at forensic history, ( hope your flu has cleared up), here is a chronology I would like you to work on. Copy it to word and highlight the events you have managed to refute. then PM when it is ready. There are another eleven pages so we will keep you busy.

Monday will do

The Rothschilds have been in control of the world for a very long time, their tentacles reaching into many aspects of our daily lives, as is documented in the following timeline. However, before you jump to the timeline, please read this invaluable introduction which will tell you who the Rothschilds are as oppose to who they claim to be.

The Rothschilds claim that they are Jewish, when in fact they are Khazars. They are from a country called Khazaria, which occupied the land locked between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea which is now predominantly occupied by Georgia. The reason the Rothschilds claim to be Jewish is that the Khazars under the instruction of the King, converted to the Jewish faith in 740 A.D., but of course that did not include converting their Asiatic Mongolian genes to the genes of the Jewish people.

You will find that approximately 90% of people in the world today who call themselves Jews are actually Khazars, or as they like to be known, Ashkenazi Jews. These people knowingly lie to the world with their claims that the land of Israel is theirs by birthright, when in actual fact their real homeland is over 800 miles away in Georgia.

So, next time you hear an Israeli Prime Minister bleating about the so-called persecution of the Jews, consider this, every Prime Minister of Israel has been an Ashkenazi Jew. Therefore when all these Prime Ministers have curried favour with the West for their re-establishment of a Jewish homeland, they have knowingly and deliberately lied to you, as they were never from that region, and they well know it, because it is they who call themselves Ashkenazi Jews.

The Book of Revelation, Chapter 2, Verse 9, states the following which would appear to be about these Ashkenazi Jews:

"I know thy works, and tribulation and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

The most wealthy bloodline in the world bar none and the leader of the Ashkenazi Jews in the world today is the Rothschild family. As you will see in the timeline, the Rothschilds have obtained this position through lies, manipulation and murder. Their bloodline also extends into the Royal Families of Europe, and the following family names: Astor; Bundy; Collins; duPont; Freeman; Kennedy; Morgan; Oppenheimer; Rockefeller; Sassoon; Schiff; Taft; and Van Duyn.

However, these are not the only bloodlines to worry about. You are probably aware of the centuries old pratice undertaken by many Ashkenazi Jews whereby they would change their name, in order for them to appear part of the dominant race of the country in which they lived, so as they could obtain influential positions in that country, which they would then exploit to serve their real masters elsewhere. There is plenty of evidence to prove the Rothschilds continue that deceptive tradition.

Furthermore the Rothschilds are known to sire many children secretly that they can put into positions of power when required. This started with the very first man who took the name Rothschild, who had a secret sixth son. Finally, remember the world is a diverse place, I could if I wanted change my name to Rothschild, or any of the names listed above, and that would not make me part of this family anymore than converting to Judaism in 740 A.D. will make these Ashkenazis Jewish.

Please, therefore, do not automatically assume someone you see with the name Rothschild or any of the names listed above are part of the Rothschild criminal network. Furthermore and most importantly, the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are innocent and not part of this network. Check the facts out for yourself first, this article is designed to inform people who the enemy is, not single out people of a particular race or people with a particular surname, who may have nothing to do with this Rothschild criminal network.


1743: Mayer Amschel Bauer, an Ashkenazi Jew, is born in Frankfurt, Germany, the son of Moses Amschel Bauer, a money lender and the proprietor of a counting house.

Moses Amschel Bauer places a red sign above the entrance door to his counting house. This sign is a red hexagram (which geometrically and numerically translates into the number 666) which under Rothschild instruction will end up on the Israeli flag some two centuries later.

1753: Gutle Schnaper, an Ashkenazi Jew (future wife of Mayer Amschel Bauer), born to respected merchant, Wolf Salomon Schnaper.

1760: During this decade Mayer Amschel Bauer works for a bank owned by the Oppenheimers' in Hanover, Germany. He is highly successful and becomes a junior partner. Whilst working at the bank he becomes acquainted with General von Estorff.

Following his father's death, Bauer returns to Frankfurt to take over his father's business. Bauer recognises the significance of the red hexagram and changes his name from Bauer to Rothschild, after the red hexagram or sign signifying 666 hanging over the entrance door ("Rot," is German for, "Red," "Schild," is German for, "Sign").

Now Mayer Amschel Rothschild, he discovers that General von Estorff is now attached to the court of Prince William IX of Hesse-Hanau, one of the richest royal houses in Europe, which gained its' wealth by the hiring out of Hessian soldiers to foreign countries for vast profits (a practice that continues today in the form of exporting, "peacekeeping," troops throughout the world).

He therefore makes the General's re-acquaintance on the pretext of selling him valuable coins and trinkets at discounted prices. As he plans, Rothschild is subsequently introduced to Prince William himself who is more than pleased with discounted prices he charges for his rare coins and trinkets, and Rothschild offers him a bonus for any other business the Prince can direct his way.

Rothschild subsequently becomes close associates with Prince William, and ends up doing business with him and members of the court. He soon discovers that loaning money to governments and royalty is more profitable than loaning to individuals, as the loans are bigger and are secured by the nation's taxes.

1769: Mayer Amschel Rothschild is given permission by Prince William to hang a sign on the front of his business premises declaring that he is, "M. A. Rothschild, by appointment court factor to his serene highness, Prince William of Hanau."

1770: Mayer Amschel Rothschild draws up plans for the creation of the Illuminati and entrusts Ashkenazi Jew, Adam Weishaupt, a Crypto-Jew who was outwardly Roman Catholic, with its organization and development. The Illuminati is to be based upon the teachings of the Talmud, which is in turn, the teachings of Rabbinical Jews. It was to be called the Illuminati as this is a Luciferian term which means, keepers of the light.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild marries Gutle Schnaper.

1773: Amschel Mayer Rothschild born, the first of Mayer Amschel Rothschild's sons. He like all his brothers who follow him, will enter the family business at the age of 12.

1774: Salomon Mayer Rothschild born.

1776: Adam Weishaupt officially completes his organisation of the Illuminati on May 1 of this year. The purpose of the Illuminati is to divide the goyim (all non-Jews) through political, economic, social, and religious means. The opposing sides were to be armed and incidents were to be provided in order for them to: fight amongst themselves; destroy national governments; destroy religious institutions; and eventually destroy each other.

Weishaupt soon infiltrates the Continental Order of Freemasons with this Illuminati doctrine and establishes lodges of the Grand Orient to be their secret headquarters. This was all under the orders and finance of Mayer Amschel Rothschild and the concept has spread and is followed within Masonic Lodges worldwide to the present day.

Weishaupt also recruits 2,000 paid followers including the most intelligent men in the field of arts and letters, education, science, finance,and industry. They were instructed to follow the following methods in order to control people.

1) Use monetary and sex bribery to obtain control of men already in high places, in the various levels of all governments and other fields of endeavour. Once influential persons had fallen for the lies, deceits, and temptations of the Illuminati they were to be held in bondage by application of political and other forms of blackmail, threats of financial ruin, public exposure, and fiscal harm, even death to themselves and loved members of their families.

2) The faculties of colleges and universities were to cultivate students possessing exceptional mental ability belonging to well-bred families with international leanings, and recommend them for special training in internationalism, or rather the notion that only a one-world government can put an end to recurring wars and strife. Such training was to be provided by granting scholarships to those selected by the Illuminati.

3) All influential people trapped into coming under the control of the Illuminati, plus the students who had been specially educated and trained, were to be used as agents and placed behind the scenes of all governments as experts and specialists. This was so they would advise the top executives to adopt policies which would in the long-run serve the secret plans of the Illuminati one-world conspiracy and bring about the destruction of the governments and religions they were elected or appointed to serve.

4) To obtain absolute-control of the press, at that time the only mass-communications media which distributed information to the public, so that all news and information could be slanted in order to make the masses believe that a one-world government is the only solution to our many and varied problems.

1777: Nathan Mayer Rothschild born.

1784: Adam Weishaupt issues his order for the French Revolution to be started by by Maximilien Robespierre in book form. This book was written by one of Weishaupt's associates, Xavier Zwack, and sent by courier from Frankfurt to Paris. However en route there, the courier is struck by lightning, the book detailing this plan discovered by the police, and handed over to the Bavarian authorities.

As a consequence, the Bavarian government orders the police to raid Weishaupt's masonic lodges of the Grand Orient, and the homes of his most influential associates. Clearly, the Bavarian authorities were convinced that the book that was discovered was a very real threat by a private group of influential people, to use wars and revolutions to achieve their political ends.

1785: The Bavarian government outlaw the Illuminati and close all the Bavarian lodges of the Grand Orient.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild moves his family home to a five storey house in Frankfurt which he shares with the Schiff family.

1786: The Bavarian government publish the details of the Illuminati plot in a document entitled, "The Original Writings of The Order and Sect of The Illuminati." They then send this document to all the heads of church and state throughout Europe, but sadly their warning is ignored.

1788: Kalmann (Carl) Mayer Rothschild Born.

1789: Due to the European ignorance of the Bavarian government's warning, the Illuminati's plan for a French Revolution succeeded from this year to 1793. This revolution was a bankers' dream, it established a new constitution and passed laws that forbade the Roman Church from levying tithes (taxes) and also removed its exemption from taxation.

1790: Mayer Amschel Rothschild states,

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."

1791: The Rothschilds get, "control of a nation's money," through Alexander Hamilton (their agent in George Washington's cabinet) when they set up a central bank in the USA called the First Bank of the United States. This is established with a 20 year charter.

1792: Jacob (James) Mayer Rothschild born.

1796: Amschel Mayer Rothschild marries Eva Hanau.

1798: John Robison publishes a book entitled, "Proofs of a Conspiracy Against All the Religions and Governments of Europe Carried on in the Secret Meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies." In this book, Professor Robison of the University of Edinburgh, one of the leading intellects of his time, who in 1783 was elected general secretary of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, gave details of the whole Rothschild Illuminati plot.

He advised how he had been a high degree mason in the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, and had been invited by Adam Weishaupt to Europe, where he had been given a revised copy of Weishaupt's conspiracy. However, although he pretended to go along with it, Professor Robison did not agree with it and therefore published his aforementioned book. The book included details of the Bavarian government's investigation into the Illuminati and the French Revolution.

That same year on July 19th, David Pappen, President of Harvard University, lectured the graduating class on the influence illuminism was having on American politics and religion.

At the age of 21, Nathan Mayer Rothschild leaves Frankfurt for England, where with a large sum of money given to him by his father, he sets up a banking house in London.

1800: Salomon Mayer Rothschild marries Caroline Stern.

japie I don't think I want to touch that load of anti-semitic vomit. Feel free to google yourself up a storm though. About 5 minutes and a little bit of thought should be enough to learn that all of the first half leading up to the family history is full of lies and distortions.

If you want to make the point that there is too much wealth in the hands of too few people then I wouldn't hesitate to agree with you. If you want to make the point that the very wealthy try to assert their influence so as to benefit themselves then I'd have to say - what's new? But if you really think that some Boris Badinov cabal of secret handshakers has taken control of the world... sorry, I have to tell you that your brains have leaked out your ears.

The Wilson quote was bull. The conspiracy spew you posted is full of bull. On all the evidence so far, conspiracy theories are a load of bull. Is anyone surprised?