If Yes is successful will the current system that has received billions of $ be removed?
No, there will be another significant layer of bureaucracy over the top of it. Some of it may go due to duplication but essentially no, it is an add on thing to what is already being done.
Most of the "billions" being used currently are on things like healthcare, education, housing etc etc so no, you wouldn't want these removed.
Perhaps a voice could lead to better efficiency and outcomes?
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If Yes is successful will the current system that has received billions of $ be removed?
Why?
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No, there will be another significant layer of bureaucracy over the top of it. Some of it may go due to duplication but essentially no, it is an add on thing to what is already being done.
I reckon you are right. I'll vote yes because I don't want to stand in the way of the aspirations of our indigenous people. I think a no vote will set Australia back, just like what happened with the Republic referendum in 1999.
Albo was prety clear during the election about his path towards reconciliation. Which makes me think: did we vote Albo in or did we vote Scomo out?
The MSM are certainly playing their part.
The near hundred percent one sided promotion for the YES vote is appalling.
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If Yes is successful will the current system that has received billions of $ be removed?
Clarification
An indigenous voice to parliament should ensure the billions go where it makes most sense to the indigenous. No saying whether this will provide better outcomes but probably won't make anything any worse.
A no vote will mean everything stays as is, pretty ****house but ok.
I am basically a progressive, nothing ever stays the same, no matter what you might vote for.
I wasn't going to say anything since we don't talk politics on this page.
Why are white people deciding whether or not Aboriginals get a voice to Parliament? At less than five percent of the population their vote won't matter. To counter this I'm voting inline with my own Aboriginal friends, if everyone did this, they'd effectively have a say. And if you don't have any black friends, is your opinion really valid here? Maybe cast a donkey vote.
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The MSM are certainly playing their part.
The near hundred percent one sided promotion for the YES vote is appalling.
I would have picked you for a Sky Stupidity watcher. That's Murdoch, so quintessential MSM. You won't see too much pro voice content there, but plenty of pandering to RWNJ grievances
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I wasn't going to say anything since we don't talk politics on this page.
Why are white people deciding whether or not Aboriginals get a voice to Parliament? At less than five percent of the population their vote won't matter. To counter this I'm voting inline with my own Aboriginal friends, if everyone did this, they'd effectively have a say. And if you don't have any black friends, is your opinion really valid here? Maybe cast a donkey vote.
This is where you guys get this wrong.
Donkey vote - is there pre requisites to whatever people want to use their vote for?
(I.e. if yor dont have black friends you dont have a say on this). I thought a vote is up to the individual to do whatever he wants with it. Or is it different now?
Constitutional changes are extremely difficult for a reason, to avoid the lunatic of time en charge change or put whatever he wants there.
Is its a divisive topic, and we all should be looked the same by the law and the constitution. Thats the current system anyway.
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I would have picked you for a Sky Stupidity watcher. That's Murdoch, so quintessential MSM. You won't see too much pro voice content there, but plenty of pandering to RWNJ grievances
MSM has been either silent or promoting a no vote. The yes vote seems to be grass roots... at least in our area, and it's everywhere you look.
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I think a no vote will set Australia back, just like what happened with the Republic referendum in 1999.
It did? How?
I don't care if we are a republic or not, but I'm curious how not becoming a republic has 'set Australia back'. Is this a demonstrably universally held view?
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Which part of the info this link do we accept?
The first part that details expinditure, or further down in the comments where it is fact checked and shown to be bull?
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It did? How?
I don't care if we are a republic or not, but I'm curious how not becoming a republic has 'set Australia back'. Is this a demonstrably universally held view?
I think it's inevitable that Australia will be a republic, so yes it did set us back.
Now get in line to suck it
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It did? How?
I don't care if we are a republic or not, but I'm curious how not becoming a republic has 'set Australia back'. Is this a demonstrably universally held view?
I think it's inevitable that Australia will be a republic, so yes it did set us back.
Now get in line to suck it
The only reason it is inevitable is that people will keep trying to create a referendum until they get the answer they personally want. There should be a rule where they need to wait 30 years before raising the same question in another referendum. It's not like you would have a referendum to become a republic and then one 2 years later to join the motherland again.
I think in reality though, things like republic referendums are just created to distract the public from how bad the government of the day is managing the economy. How much would it change the country? Not at all really other than having to bring in some sort of 'president' and all the political crap that creates.
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No, there will be another significant layer of bureaucracy over the top of it. Some of it may go due to duplication but essentially no, it is an add on thing to what is already being done.
The promoters of the voice have already had billions through their hands and achieved little they should have nothing to do with any form of voice.
No problem with legislated voice but constitutional forever representation seems to signify the gap will never be closed .
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There should be a rule where they need to wait 30 years before raising the same question in another referendum.
1967 was the last referendum relating to Aboriginals.
So maybe 2055 will be next referendum on the republic.
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I wasn't going to say anything since we don't talk politics on this page.
Why are white people deciding whether or not Aboriginals get a voice to Parliament? At less than five percent of the population their vote won't matter. To counter this I'm voting inline with my own Aboriginal friends, if everyone did this, they'd effectively have a say. And if you don't have any black friends, is your opinion really valid here? Maybe cast a donkey vote.
This is where you guys get this wrong.
Donkey vote - is there pre requisites to whatever people want to use their vote for?
(I.e. if yor dont have black friends you dont have a say on this). I thought a vote is up to the individual to do whatever he wants with it. Or is it different now?
Constitutional changes are extremely difficult for a reason, to avoid the lunatic of time en charge change or put whatever he wants there.
Is its a divisive topic, and we all should be looked the same by the law and the constitution. Thats the current system anyway.
Then I guess you also had a valid opinion on the gay marriage referendum.
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Maybe cast a donkey vote.
Forgive me, but how do you figure people can donkey vote on a yes or no question? You do understand what a donkey vote actually is don't you?
with regards to what the constitutional changes are we're voting for, I think most would be all for the first addition. The second (or part thereof) is far more concerning. It will grant the government the ability to further the powers of the voice committee. That is, it could well become more than just an advisory committee.
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1967 was the last referendum relating to Aboriginals.
That was the referendum when we agreed that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples would be counted as part of the population right?
The same propaganda machine that shoved gay marriage and Covid vaccines down our throats are now pushing the yes propaganda.
Most aboriginal people don't want to sell their sovereignty to the UN and just want to be left alone. (They know it's a trap)
All this referendum has done so far is caused division.
Look back at the gay marriage referendum, did you think it would go way overboard like where we are at now, where doctors are mutilating gentiles of confused children and giving them chemical castration drugs. Or what about the men taking drugs that aren't allowed to be given to breastfeeding mothers because of toxicity being passed to the baby, however men are being prescribed the same drug so they can lactate puss and get off on breastfeeding a baby? (#$&@in sick world we live in)
Yep, this is another trap so they can tax the air you breath and the grass you stand on and eventually you won't be allowed at your local beach for a surf without paying your fees. (You will own nothing)
All these referendums do is take away power from the people and give more power too government, this will not help everyday indigenous folks at all.
Look at the yes protests, you don't see any aboriginal people, just a bunch of brainwashed white uni students.
The no protest had much more aboriginal people.
Indigenous Australians allready have a voice, we just need ears to listen to them.
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The same propaganda machine that shoved gay marriage and Covid vaccines down our throats are now pushing the yes propaganda.
Most aboriginal people don't want to sell their sovereignty to the UN and just want to be left alone. (They know it's a trap)
All this referendum has done so far is caused division.
Look back at the gay marriage referendum, did you think it would go way overboard like where we are at now, where doctors are mutilating gentiles of confused children and giving them chemical castration drugs. Or what about the men taking drugs that aren't allowed to be given to breastfeeding mothers because of toxicity being passed to the baby, however men are being prescribed the same drug so they can lactate puss and get off on breastfeeding a baby? (#$&@in sick world we live in)
Yep, this is another trap so they can tax the air you breath and the grass you stand on and eventually you won't be allowed at your local beach for a surf without paying your fees. (You will own nothing)
All these referendums do is take away power from the people and give more power too government, this will not help everyday indigenous folks at all.
Look at the yes protests, you don't see any aboriginal people, just a bunch of brainwashed white uni students.
The no protest had much more aboriginal people.
Indigenous Australians allready have a voice, we just need ears to listen to them.
Hmm, my fact checker just exploded !
I worry about Australia :(
Why are people talking about a 'gay marriage' referendum. There wasn't one.
Why are people 'mutilating gentiles' anyway. Is this a revenge thing? I wasn't there, and wouldn't have done anything anyway.
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The same propaganda machine that shoved gay marriage and Covid vaccines down our throats are now pushing the yes propaganda.
Most aboriginal people don't want to sell their sovereignty to the UN and just want to be left alone. (They know it's a trap)
All this referendum has done so far is caused division.
Look back at the gay marriage referendum, did you think it would go way overboard like where we are at now, where doctors are mutilating gentiles of confused children and giving them chemical castration drugs. Or what about the men taking drugs that aren't allowed to be given to breastfeeding mothers because of toxicity being passed to the baby, however men are being prescribed the same drug so they can lactate puss and get off on breastfeeding a baby? (#$&@in sick world we live in)
Yep, this is another trap so they can tax the air you breath and the grass you stand on and eventually you won't be allowed at your local beach for a surf without paying your fees. (You will own nothing)
All these referendums do is take away power from the people and give more power too government, this will not help everyday indigenous folks at all.
Look at the yes protests, you don't see any aboriginal people, just a bunch of brainwashed white uni students.
The no protest had much more aboriginal people.
Indigenous Australians allready have a voice, we just need ears to listen to them.
Hmm, my fact checker just exploded !
I worry about Australia :(
Select to expand quotesnoidberg said..
The same propaganda machine that shoved gay marriage and Covid vaccines down our throats are now pushing the yes propaganda.
Most aboriginal people don't want to sell their sovereignty to the UN and just want to be left alone. (They know it's a trap)
All this referendum has done so far is caused division.
Look back at the gay marriage referendum, did you think it would go way overboard like where we are at now, where doctors are mutilating gentiles of confused children and giving them chemical castration drugs. Or what about the men taking drugs that aren't allowed to be given to breastfeeding mothers because of toxicity being passed to the baby, however men are being prescribed the same drug so they can lactate puss and get off on breastfeeding a baby? (#$&@in sick world we live in)
Yep, this is another trap so they can tax the air you breath and the grass you stand on and eventually you won't be allowed at your local beach for a surf without paying your fees. (You will own nothing)
All these referendums do is take away power from the people and give more power too government, this will not help everyday indigenous folks at all.
Look at the yes protests, you don't see any aboriginal people, just a bunch of brainwashed white uni students.
The no protest had much more aboriginal people.
Indigenous Australians allready have a voice, we just need ears to listen to them.
Cheer up. Vote No. Polls say you will win
I have never voted in my life and don't intend to register ever, I'm quite happy complaining.
The less government the better.
