Red thumb away but the blokes been a drug addict for 30 years and you guys are celebrating his life because he cracked a few jokes.
In that time he's earned enough money to afford the resources to get clean and had kids. If you cant get clean for your kids, you're a **** human being.
http://zeldawilliams.tumblr.com/post/94586234216/my-family-has-always-been-private-about-our-time
From his daughter, Zelda
My family has always been private about our time spent together. It was our way of keeping one thing that was ours, with a man we shared with an entire world. But now that?s gone, and I feel stripped bare. My last day with him was his birthday, and I will forever be grateful that my brothers and I got to spend that time alone with him, sharing gifts and laughter. He was always warm, even in his darkest moments. While Ill never, ever understand how he could be loved so deeply and not find it in his heart to stay, theres minor comfort in knowing our grief and loss, in some small way, is shared with millions. It doesn?t help the pain, but at least its a burden countless others now know we carry, and so many have offered to help lighten the load. Thank you for that.
To those he touched who are sending kind words, know that one of his favorite things in the world was to make you all laugh. As for those who are sending negativity, know that some small, giggling part of him is sending a flock of pigeons to your house to poop on your car. Right after youve had it washed. After all, he loved to laugh too
Dad was, is and always will be one of the kindest, most generous, gentlest souls Ive ever known, and while there are few things I know for certain right now, one of them is that not just my world, but the entire world is forever a little darker, less colorful and less full of laughter in his absence. Well just have to work twice as hard to fill it back up again.
Suicide needs to be looked down upon, denigrated, discouraged, made socially unacceptable, un-cool and stupid.
The problem is with all your softy feely, compassionate, try to understand rubbish you are glorifying suicide. People considering suicide look at all this outpouring of love and sympathy for the guy and think perhaps it's not a bad way to go out. To always be remembered fondly and felt sorry for, "oh the pain he was in, how he suffered", "he put on a brave face and carried on despite the terrible turmoil within"
Rubbish, if he had never been discovered and had to work for a pittance like the rest of us he probably would have been just fine. Put simply, he couldn't handle the gift of all the money and free time and had no self discipline. Just another self-absorbed Hollywood schmuck.
What must all the people in the world who have nothing and fight to claw ahead just a tiny bit make of this?
Select to expand quoteMDSXR6T said..
Red thumb away but the blokes been a drug addict for 30 years and you guys are celebrating his life because he cracked a few jokes.
In that time he's earned enough money to afford the resources to get clean and had kids. If you cant get clean for your kids, you're a **** human being.
You have absolutely no effing idea about depression. All the money in the world can't chase the black dog from your door.
Depression is not a rich persons disease, it doesn't discriminate on the grounds of how large is your bank account is.
Many everyday Australians suffer depression and self medicate on alcohol or pills, many take there own lives, they quite often have kids, does that make them ' a **** human being."
You are just a pig ignorant individual with no concept on mental health issues and obviously no desire to educate yourself.
"Are you OK"?.
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Rubbish, if he had never been discovered and had to work for a pittance like the rest of us he probably would have been just fine. Put simply, he couldn't handle the gift of all the money and free time and had no self discipline. Just another self-absorbed Hollywood schmuck.
What must all the people in the world who have nothing and fight to claw ahead just a tiny bit make of this?
I think this is a little harsh. You paint it as if the guy had everything and threw it all away. I think it is not all 'the gift of all the money and free time'. From the sounds of it, he was struggling after 2 divorces to keep things afloat, at a time when his career was in its wind-down phase.
It would be very difficult living in a world where you never really know if you have true friends and think sometimes everyone just wants your money. I think if you threw this 'gift' at most people they would struggle with it. Once you get past the fun of having enough money to be comfortable, I am sure you become uncomfortable and start worrying about other people and their motives.
It has been suggested that with this sort of personality, to have such a funny high side, that there must also be a sad low side. I do agree that if he was just a regular joe, he would have been fine. But he wasn't. He was a successful comedian, that made it, and then suffered depression.
Sometimes I think life as a 'nearly poor' person would be ideal. Not enough money where you wife gains anything by leaving you, no one thinks they can bludge off of you, but enough to live. Unfortunately, the intelligent people in this scenario would probably try to earn more money and trap themselves into consuming more and more.
As for people looking to suicide, I really don't think people want to have everyone think of them as suffering. I think they just want out of the suffering. To these people, making it appear cowardly is not going to change their decision.
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Rubbish, if he had never been discovered and had to work for a pittance like the rest of us he probably would have been just fine. Put simply, he couldn't handle the gift of all the money and free time and had no self discipline. Just another self-absorbed Hollywood schmuck.
What must all the people in the world who have nothing and fight to claw ahead just a tiny bit make of this?
I think this is a little harsh. You paint it as if the guy had everything and threw it all away. I think it is not all 'the gift of all the money and free time'. From the sounds of it, he was struggling after 2 divorces to keep things afloat, at a time when his career was in its wind-down phase.
It would be very difficult living in a world where you never really know if you have true friends and think sometimes everyone just wants your money. I think if you threw this 'gift' at most people they would struggle with it. Once you get past the fun of having enough money to be comfortable, I am sure you become uncomfortable and start worrying about other people and their motives.
It has been suggested that with this sort of personality, to have such a funny high side, that there must also be a sad low side. I do agree that if he was just a regular joe, he would have been fine. But he wasn't. He was a successful comedian, that made it, and then suffered depression.
Sometimes I think life as a 'nearly poor' person would be ideal. Not enough money where you wife gains anything by leaving you, no one thinks they can bludge off of you, but enough to live. Unfortunately, the intelligent people in this scenario would probably try to earn more money and trap themselves into consuming more and more.
As for people looking to suicide, I really don't think people want to have everyone think of them as suffering. I think they just want out of the suffering. To these people, making it appear cowardly is not going to change their decision.
that is redonkolous, it amazes me the hardships you can identify in a very privileged life,
oh, he felt isolated because so many nobodys, (people like you lot) wanted to wish him well, he had so many people wishing him well, he just couldn't handle it
being funny? thats it, thats the physiology behind it all
if anything, you could suggest the desire to please others is the value that leads to depression, its a very damaging physic to place your worth in the hands of how others respond to you, drugs dont help, prolonged use leaves one riding a dopamine roller coaster, when levels are low, thats when humans are said to be clinically depressed,
Sometimes i think someone who suggests life as a third world refugee would be better than the life of an overpaid hollywood actor wouldnt have the intelligence to pick his bum
Select to expand quoteMilsy said..FormulaNova said..Beaglebuddy said..
Rubbish, if he had never been discovered and had to work for a pittance like the rest of us he probably would have been just fine. Put simply, he couldn't handle the gift of all the money and free time and had no self discipline. Just another self-absorbed Hollywood schmuck.
What must all the people in the world who have nothing and fight to claw ahead just a tiny bit make of this?
I think this is a little harsh. You paint it as if the guy had everything and threw it all away. I think it is not all 'the gift of all the money and free time'. From the sounds of it, he was struggling after 2 divorces to keep things afloat, at a time when his career was in its wind-down phase.
It would be very difficult living in a world where you never really know if you have true friends and think sometimes everyone just wants your money. I think if you threw this 'gift' at most people they would struggle with it. Once you get past the fun of having enough money to be comfortable, I am sure you become uncomfortable and start worrying about other people and their motives.
It has been suggested that with this sort of personality, to have such a funny high side, that there must also be a sad low side. I do agree that if he was just a regular joe, he would have been fine. But he wasn't. He was a successful comedian, that made it, and then suffered depression.
Sometimes I think life as a 'nearly poor' person would be ideal. Not enough money where you wife gains anything by leaving you, no one thinks they can bludge off of you, but enough to live. Unfortunately, the intelligent people in this scenario would probably try to earn more money and trap themselves into consuming more and more.
As for people looking to suicide, I really don't think people want to have everyone think of them as suffering. I think they just want out of the suffering. To these people, making it appear cowardly is not going to change their decision.
that is redonkolous, it amazes me the hardships you can identify in a very privileged life,
oh, he felt isolated because so many nobodys, (people like you lot) wanted to wish him well, he had so many people wishing him well, he just couldn't handle it
being funny? thats it, thats the physiology behind it all
if anything, you could suggest the desire to please others is the value that leads to depression, its a very damaging physic to place your worth in the hands of how others respond to you, drugs dont help, prolonged use leaves one riding a dopamine roller coaster, when levels are low, thats when humans are said to be clinically depressed,
Sometimes i think someone who suggests life as a third world refugee would be better than the life of an overpaid hollywood actor wouldnt have the intelligence to pick his bum
Johnny, you seem to seek out or make up what you want to answer. I can't work out in your reply where you are disagreeing with me and where (whether) you are agreeing with me.
I am guessing that you mean psychology and not physiology.
Do you turn your back on a drug addict because they are addicted? I think initially they have a choice, then after a point, they don't. I think drugs are an easy out for a lot of people, and they don't realise that they are probably making it harder for themselves.
Anyway, this post was for remembering the good, not for pulling the poor guy apart.
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Anyway, this post was for remembering the good, not for pulling the poor guy apart.
Well said. A very talented man is dead, his family and friends are mourning. Opinions on suicide vary, but without walking in the man's shoes - who are we to judge his decision?
Unfortunately this is becoming the 'Seabreeze' way. Same old offenders every time - they are beginning to make what was a 'great' website, barely tolerable at best.
I think Gen Discussion can now safely go on my 'no-go zone' along with that cr@p Heavy Weather forum. I'll simply stick with enjoying the friendly banter in the windsurfing forums between us old poleys & the odd drop-in tea-bagger whilst it is still entertaining.
At least there's always a sense of humour there.
im disagreeing
sure have sympathy for humans suffering.................but your wanna be explanations of the hardships one faces when having to much privilege and money, for not really doing anything, acting? is crap,
thanks robin, thanks for taking one for the team, it must have been hard having so much more than most people on the planet, yep, it definitely a situation that warrants sympathy, especially compared to the poor, they have no idea how hard it is for people like robin
drug addicts? yep, ive turned my back on a few, the most recent a good windsurfer from northern beaches, who unfortunately got addicted to ice, sweet ride, super addictive
becoming an addict is truly a journey one takes alone, its a journey that can change ones self from within, usually for the worst
I stand by my initial reply
Williams was over rated, and never made a movie as funny as carey, simple........................the tv show became dated very quickly, highlighting a serious lack of depth, talent,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,pffffff, Seinfeld still funny, mork not funny, its always sunny, funny, the crazy ones, not so funny,
ill tell ya something funny, what do you call someone who is labelled a comic genius without actually being funny???????, its not jim
Select to expand quoteSailhack said..FormulaNova said..
Anyway, this post was for remembering the good, not for pulling the poor guy apart.
Well said. A very talented man is dead, his family and friends are mourning. Opinions on suicide vary, but without walking in the man's shoes - who are we to judge his decision?
Unfortunately this is becoming the 'Seabreeze' way. Same old offenders every time - they are beginning to make what was a 'great' website, barely tolerable at best.
I think Gen Discussion can now safely go on my 'no-go zone' along with that cr@p Heavy Weather forum. I'll simply stick with enjoying the friendly banter in the windsurfing forums between us old poleys & the odd drop-in tea-bagger whilst it is still entertaining. At least there's always a sense of humour there.
so you have a forum , where having a difference of opinion is encouraged, but you wanna put boundaries on how much difference?
whats the point in encouraging discussion then, we should just let you post
love the whole, im outta here, but before I go, I just wanna say............just go if that's what you've decided
you mentioned humour? im assuming robin doesn't post there then
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Anyway, this post was for remembering the good, not for pulling the poor guy apart.
Well for me there's always great fun in ripping the dead, pulling up everything negative I can find about someone I never cared for.
Did you know Robin Williams dumped one of his wives for the babysitter? Every time some interviewer would ask him about that he would go nuts and scream that she wasn't technically the babysitter when he married her, whatever.
Wow there are some really dark people in this world
Telling people with depression to "just snap out of it" is about as useful as telling people with cancer to "just stop having cancer".
For those that say Robin Williams lived a Privileged life, he had money and comfort, how do you know that, you make fun of those with compassion for him and his family, By saying that we didn't know him, why should we care? Well on the flip side you say he lived a charmed life and had it all, was he your best mate
The grass is not always as green as it may seem..
If a mate was to take his own life i will morn his death and my lose, just as much as i would for if that same mate had died from Cancer
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Wow there are some really dark people in this world
Telling people with depression to "just snap out of it" is about as useful as telling people with cancer to "just stop having cancer".
For those that say Robin Williams lived a Privileged life, he had money and comfort, how do you know that, you make fun of those with compassion for him and his family, By saying that we didn't know him, why should we care? Well on the flip side you say he lived a charmed life and had it all, was he your best mate The grass is not always as green as it may seem..
If a mate was to take his own life i will morn his death and my lose, just as much as i would for if that same mate had died from Cancer
mmmmmmmm, its all so predictable, perhaps innately compulsory
an out pouring off mediated grief,
perhaps the ol,, a suggesting of goodness without action will still reflect as good on me
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jbshack said..
Wow there are some really dark people in this world
Telling people with depression to "just snap out of it" is about as useful as telling people with cancer to "just stop having cancer".
For those that say Robin Williams lived a Privileged life, he had money and comfort, how do you know that, you make fun of those with compassion for him and his family, By saying that we didn't know him, why should we care? Well on the flip side you say he lived a charmed life and had it all, was he your best mate The grass is not always as green as it may seem..
If a mate was to take his own life i will morn his death and my lose, just as much as i would for if that same mate had died from Cancer
mmmmmmmm, its all so predictable, perhaps innately compulsory
an out pouring off mediated grief,
perhaps the ol,, a suggesting of goodness without action will still reflect as good on me
Well i guess your the Man of steel and have no feelings, but I'm guessing i'd hope your immediate family and friends were shown a higher level of compassion then your prepared to extend to others
I will miss Robin Williams.
I can remember when Mork and Mindy first came out and the effect that his humour had on me. Since then, I had followed his life he has been in numerous aspects of theatre and stage. A career of 40 years in theatre is no mean feat.
He was truly a comic genius. Over the past couple of days, my opinion of this has been renewed in listening and watching some of his past shows; and listening to the outporings of respect in the media.
He had problems. Perhaps his problems were a legacy of his genius or an inspiration to it. But I doubt if he was any different to other high achievers. We all have faults, but maybe in the high achievers these faults are magnified by exposure or personality.
I will miss his creativity.
"If a mate was to take his own life i will morn his death and my lose, just as much as i would for if that same mate had died from Cancer"
If a mate of mine ended himself, me and everybody close to him would for the rest of our lives in varying degrees wonder why. Wishing we could have done something. The dead feel no pain, but the living are left to carry it. That's why it's a somewhat cowardly act.
I had this conversation with my son, fearful of the sometimes flippant play of the suicide card among youth.
You don't own your life, you share it with the people who love and care for you. They have a stake in it also. You don't have the right to take it away from them.
With Cancer, people understand
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"If a mate was to take his own life i will morn his death and my lose, just as much as i would for if that same mate had died from Cancer"
If a mate of mine ended himself, me and everybody close to him would for the rest of our lives in varying degrees wonder why. Wishing we could have done something. The dead feel no pain, but the living are left to carry it. That's why it's a somewhat cowardly act.
I had this conversation with my son, fearful of the sometimes flippant play of the suicide card among youth.
You don't own your life, you share it with the people who love and care for you. They have a stake in it also. You don't have the right to take it away from them.
With Cancer, people understand
I agree with nearly everything you have written. But sadly people with depression don't think like you and me. The in ability to comprehend that, is their cancer.
I have lost a mate to suicide and i have had to live with the WHY for the last 26 years, but i can tell you i still morned him the same as all my other friends I've lost over those years.. The last thing i would want is his LIFE to be remembered/judged for his last moments on this earth..
My point is that some on here seem to say Depression is not an illness, its not like cancer. Well its just the same and we should strive to find a serous cure for both and have respect for victims of both horrible illnesses and support their families left behind, not reticule them for some easy laughs..
An good start would be show compassion, its what is missing in this world today..
Select to expand quotejbshack said..Milsy said..
jbshack said..
Wow there are some really dark people in this world
Telling people with depression to "just snap out of it" is about as useful as telling people with cancer to "just stop having cancer".
For those that say Robin Williams lived a Privileged life, he had money and comfort, how do you know that, you make fun of those with compassion for him and his family, By saying that we didn't know him, why should we care? Well on the flip side you say he lived a charmed life and had it all, was he your best mate The grass is not always as green as it may seem..
If a mate was to take his own life i will morn his death and my lose, just as much as i would for if that same mate had died from Cancer
mmmmmmmm, its all so predictable, perhaps innately compulsory
an out pouring off mediated grief,
perhaps the ol,, a suggesting of goodness without action will still reflect as good on me
Well i guess your the Man of steel and have no feelings, but I'm guessing i'd hope your immediate family and friends were shown a higher level of compassion then your prepared to extend to others
mmmm, your not actually showing anyone any compassion, its just a rehearsed response, it will have no effect on those that were close enough to actually grieve the loss, its more a self alighning gesture than an act of compassion, whatever
In honour of Williams lack of comical ability
All were seriously concerned with what reaction Jbshack would have upon finding out, Mikiloo, the star shark at seaworld had just died
I try to act as I feel, not how others think I should feel
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I try to act as I feel, not how others think I should feel
Good on you I say, I'm sure it's not easy being a self-righteous asshat in real life.
If suicide was to receive a greater disapproval amongst the general public to the point it would effect a persons legacy in a negative way there would probably be fewer suicides. Showing compassion for this issue only enables it further.
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If suicide was to receive a greater disapproval amongst the general public to the point it would effect a persons legacy in a negative way there would probably be fewer suicides. Showing compassion for this issue only enables it further.
Wow we better not feel compassion or we risk loosing most of the population. I cant believe some of the cr@p you guys are talking. Robin was a good man who brought joy to peoples lives. I hope he rests in peace.
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If suicide was to receive a greater disapproval amongst the general public to the point it would effect a persons legacy in a negative way there would probably be fewer suicides. Showing compassion for this issue only enables it further.
Probably?... No.
As a few others have said, if you think those that are severely depressed are thinking about how they are going to be seen after they leave/die/suicide, you clearly dont have a clue about depression.
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If suicide was to receive a greater disapproval amongst the general public to the point it would effect a persons legacy in a negative way there would probably be fewer suicides. Showing compassion for this issue only enables it further.
I think your confusing compassion for understanding
As always there are lots of great in depth comments when such a deep subject like suicide comes up.
And there are those who have no Empathy at all, but then they just help the ones who do care standout more.
It would seem the price of getting older is to have everyone we knew go before us, until it's our turn.
Nanu Nanu my sea breeze friends, fellow readers, people on the side lines and you to Milsy! We really do care about ya :)
Select to expand quoteDezman said..
As always there are lots of great in depth comments when such a deep subject like suicide comes up.
And there are those who have no Empathy at all, but then they just help the ones who do care standout more.
It would seem the price of getting older is to have everyone we knew go before us, until it's our turn.
Nanu Nanu my sea breeze friends, fellow readers, people on the side lines and you to Milsy! We really do care about ya :)
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, what is the measureable difference of those that post sympathy's and those that don't.................
yeah, it all amounts to nothing
if anything its just a bunch of australias upper middle class stroking each other, yes, we are so caring, here look what I am going to post, yes, yes, that's a fine example of caring, pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Allllllrighty then!!
Select to expand quoteMilsy said..Dezman said..
As always there are lots of great in depth comments when such a deep subject like suicide comes up.
And there are those who have no Empathy at all, but then they just help the ones who do care standout more.
It would seem the price of getting older is to have everyone we knew go before us, until it's our turn.
Nanu Nanu my sea breeze friends, fellow readers, people on the side lines and you to Milsy! We really do care about ya :)
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, what is the measureable difference of those that post sympathy's and those that don't.................
yeah, it all amounts to nothing
if anything its just a bunch of australias upper middle class stroking each other, yes, we are so caring, here look what I am going to post, yes, yes, that's a fine example of caring, pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Allllllrighty then!!
Great to see ya back Milsy, it's the variety of people here That make this forum what it is.
your point is not missed and just imagine everyone posting wet comments on how sad Robin's pasting was!
Gee we be drowning in sorrow.
But what a cold world it'll be if no one could relate to the pain Robin and others go through!
When he also cut his wrist to, that I could feel the desperate state he was in.
suffocation was cause of death, which is my choice too.
One of the points made here was that others have an invested interest in our lives !
A very valid point indeed. When planning my end I try to think of how can I make it easy on those who find my body.
Not having any family any more and living by myself will not cause so much heart ache, even though my little bird would miss me :(
One can't stop the dark thoughts some times and I must be on guard as only a few weeks ago the black dog had hold of me!
WHY? Gee I don't really know, I was on holiday camped in a lovely place. There was $5000 in the draw ! But I couldn't fix my jeep, so
that was bothering me but for fuc's sake I could of paid someone. So WHY?
Im living in a great country town now with a small business and support from the Gov.
There are friends around me here, but I do miss my kids but it's been 10 years now and I really don't dwell on the lost.
My health is good now and iv fixed my jeep, brought a great van for my business and only yesterday I was standing in the yard looking around.
And I'm glad Im still here and appreciating how lucky I am.
I think a big reason to live is caring for others and knowing you are worth something too.
No doubt Robin was special and the real reasons for his choice are beyond us.
