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nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
27 Feb 2008 1:29AM
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I think it's just as dangerous to blindly follow the 'scientific' or 'official' explanation as it is to believe the wacky conspiracy theories. I've seen many scientists who are just as fanatically closed-minded as a cult follower.

And if you blindly swallow all that the media rams down your throat, then you're beyond help... sure it makes for a nice simple easy world view, but if you demand the truth then your life starts to get a lot more interesting.

Don't think that conspiracies exist?
Just one word:
Watergate.

Hmmmm...

Why didn't the official explanation of 9/11 say anything about building 7?

Hmmmm...

Unfortunately the people that are most attracted to conspiracy theories are also the least convincing. They don't tend to have much of a background in science, often can't string two words together properly, or (you listening Harry?) seem to have misplaced their shift key. To be credible you MUST have a full grasp of the english language, at the very minimum. They also seem to be stuck in the rut of trying desperately to convince people, but don't expect anyone to listen. Therefore, no-one does. It's a bit of a shame really. If they could organise a decent amount of momentum amongst the populace, then they would finally get the answers they claim to crave. But then that would stop them being on the fringe wouldn't it?

Hmmmmmmmmm....

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
27 Feb 2008 10:21AM
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Right on Nebbain, you can't believe anything (but especially not conspiracy theories). Chanel 10 and the culture it spreads is just as crap, but perhaps less dangerous and annoying, as conspiracy theories. Big Brother, ads, ads, ads.

(Hairy, this is a paragraph coming up. See how points are grouped together, with a breathing, digesting space in between?)

Truth only comes from doubt and disbelief. Do I believe the sun comes up each day? No, of course not.

You can only believe in ideas, concepts, myths etc, which are thoughts, which are...? Illusion I guess. Your thoughts take you away from the here and now, not that they are useless of course, we need to think, but they are often mischevious.

Richiefish
QLD, 5610 posts
27 Feb 2008 9:43AM
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nebbian said...

I think it's just as dangerous to blindly follow the 'scientific' or 'official' explanation as it is to believe the wacky conspiracy theories. I've seen many scientists who are just as fanatically closed-minded as a cult follower.

And if you blindly swallow all that the media rams down your throat, then you're beyond help... sure it makes for a nice simple easy world view, but if you demand the truth then your life starts to get a lot more interesting.

Don't think that conspiracies exist?
Just one word:
Watergate.

Hmmmm...

Why didn't the official explanation of 9/11 say anything about building 7?

Hmmmm...

Unfortunately the people that are most attracted to conspiracy theories are also the least convincing. They don't tend to have much of a background in science, often can't string two words together properly, or (you listening Harry?) seem to have misplaced their shift key. To be credible you MUST have a full grasp of the english language, at the very minimum. They also seem to be stuck in the rut of trying desperately to convince people, but don't expect anyone to listen. Therefore, no-one does. It's a bit of a shame really. If they could organise a decent amount of momentum amongst the populace, then they would finally get the answers they claim to crave. But then that would stop them being on the fringe wouldn't it?

Hmmmmmmmmm....


stop it, stop it !! When I read this stuff my aluminium foil hat gets hot !!! the conspiracy is good, goooooooood.......

Mark _australia
WA, 22377 posts
27 Feb 2008 9:04AM
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It is not the alfoil hat, it is the implant in your brain warming up due to the EM field of the computer. You must have an early MK Ultra implant, later models don't do that.

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
27 Feb 2008 11:45AM
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evlPanda said...

Right on Nebbain, you can't believe anything (but especially not conspiracy theories). Chanel 10 and the culture it spreads is just as crap, but perhaps less dangerous and annoying, as conspiracy theories. Big Brother, ads, ads, ads.

(Hairy, this is a paragraph coming up. See how points are grouped together, with a breathing, digesting space in between?)

Truth only comes from doubt and disbelief. Do I believe the sun comes up each day? No, of course not.

You can only believe in ideas, concepts, myths etc, which are thoughts, which are...? Illusion I guess. Your thoughts take you away from the here and now, not that they are useless of course, we need to think, but they are often mischevious.




I don't believe you.

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
27 Feb 2008 12:24PM
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Out of all the conspiracy theories the one that gets me is crop circles.Freak me out but then when i look at them i feel calm and secure.
Of course they are all debunked as hoaxes and some are.But some are way too perfect ..perfect geometries etc. Instruments in aircraft going bannanas when they cross into them . Appearing in fieldes in minutes..

A cuple of years ago i was cycling through the york peninsula in S.A. and camped in a feild behind a derilict farm house and noticed an impression in the grass ..sort of triangle shape leading to an oval shape. All the grass around it was about two feet tall and standing up. In the circle,of course,the grass swirled in towards a centre point that was....off centre? Unfortunatly i didn't have a camera But it stirred an interest . I've watched a few doco's on them and i must say some of them can't have possibly be made by man.....
Alot of well educated people are saying these circles are the single most important "thing/discovery?" in this century....
SOOOO....
WTF???

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
27 Feb 2008 3:50PM
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Yep crop circles are totally alien man! I mean, how could a human ever manage to create something as geometrically perfect as this?



[}:)]


RichieFish, have you disabled the V-chip in your TV yet? You know that the government can use it to spy on you, right?

www.uncoveror.com/disable.htm

Rex
WA, 949 posts
27 Feb 2008 4:33PM
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nebbian said...

I think it's just as dangerous to blindly follow the 'scientific' or 'official' explanation as it is to believe the wacky conspiracy theories. I've seen many scientists who are just as fanatically closed-minded as a cult follower.




I agree nebbian, its healthy to have questions and at least look deeper than the headlines.

Imagine the technical logistics of conspiring to make 911 look as though it was a terrorist attack, or even floride or contrails conspracy, imagine the quantity and layers of people that would need to be involved and yet remain quite.

I just think these people watch too much TV .

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
27 Feb 2008 5:52PM
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nebbian said...

Yep crop circles are totally alien man! I mean, how could a human ever manage to create something as geometrically perfect as this?



[}:)]


RichieFish, have you disabled the V-chip in your TV yet? You know that the government can use it to spy on you, right?

www.uncoveror.com/disable.htm


Damn net nanny at work , can't see that picture so don't know if your pulling the piss

MikeyS
VIC, 1506 posts
27 Feb 2008 7:43PM
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Damn net nanny at work , can't see that picture so don't know if your pulling the piss




Ha ha Stribo. No wonder your net nanny has blocked the image. The word starts with "SH", ends in "T" and is a good cause of bowel movements.

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
27 Feb 2008 7:08PM
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Just to add to the paranoia . Any mobile phone can be turned (with a small piece of software) into a bug...as long as its turned on "they" are listening or watching if your phone has a camera

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
27 Feb 2008 6:42PM
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stribo said...

Just to add to the paranoia . Any mobile phone can be turned (with a small piece of software) into a bug...as long as its turned on "they" are listening or watching if your phone has a camera


Good luck to em if I tuck it down the front of my strides on a freeballing day!!

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
27 Feb 2008 7:05PM
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nebbian said...



Don't think that conspiracies exist?
Just one word:
Watergate.


Good point. Look at what happened just for a simple burglary. It involved so few people but even with their best resources the powers that be couldn't sweep that under the carpet.

And again, look what happened to Bill Clinton, president of the USA. With all the powers at his disposal he couldn't even cover up a minor indiscretion with a woman and a cigar, an event which happened in the privacy of his own pants and in an enclosed and private office.

And yet people expect us to take seriously the possibility that something which would have to involve hundreds of people, all with the same perverted mind set came together at the same time to carry out what happened on Sept 11 ? And no one stuffed up?
And no one has had a change of mind since and blown the whole plot sky high???
(quote Ace Venture, pet detective,..) R R R R REALLY!


Why didn't the official explanation of 9/11 say anything about building 7?


The demise of building 7 was mentioned in passing but not examined in detail for the same reason that none of the aircraft were examined for defects prior to their destruction. The cause of the destruction was so apparent to all that it was pointless holding separate inquiries into each and every aspect.

The fact is, from the moment that towers 1 & 2 came down and took out a large part of the lower floors and structural support of building 7 it was seen as a high probability that it would fall. This became more certain as the day went on and the fires took over the building, further weakening the already overloaded remaining support columns.
There had already been a graphic example of how fire affected unprotected steel structures when the twin towers came down hours earlier. Building 7 was of the same design so you didn't need to be all that smart to see what was going to happen.
By 3pm it was obvious to all in charge that the building was not able to be saved and the only course of action was to make sure everyone was well clear. The building fell about 2 hours later.

It was an event well documented by tv coverage from a number of angles.
When it came down nobody said "What a surprise! Who would have thought that would happen. It looked solid as a rock right up to the last second! Must have been a demolition job."
It was exactly what everyone expected, including myself who watched most of it on live coverage.
And yet now crackpots are asking us to believe that it required demolition charges to be laid and the building was blown up.
Why wasn't it blown up earlier in the day?
What sort of fools would you have to enlist to be running around in a building which everyone is expecting to fall down, strategically placing explosives in amongst the blazing fires?
How could any sane person even contemplate the possibility?


Unfortunately the people that are most attracted to conspiracy theories are also the least convincing.


Sadly, that is not always the case, although when you get further down the chain it does tend to be.
If you look at some of the web sites that Hairy has directed us to for our further enlightenment, they are cleverly constructed and presented so that in the absence of any dissenting views or knowledge they sound quite plausible.
In view of the fact that the people who set up these sites certainly have the tools and ability to determine that the ideas they are publishing are in most cases gross distortions and in some cases, outright lies, you would have to question their motives.
I can only imagine that there must be money in it for them.

The reality is though, they are spreading a seething discontent amongst the gullible which sometimes boils over in irrational actions, such as blowing up government buildings with truckloads of explosives, or mass poisonings of the gullible twits who have blithley followed their ravings, or even flying planeloads of innocent people into tall buildings.

This is where that started isn't it? The guys that did the final dirtywork were reasonably smart well educated people who most said were nice guys. So much so that when their names were given, most who knew them thought there must be some mistake.
But they took onboard some distorted view of the world passed on to them by someone with a totally warped agenda and then took an action which in their view was going to be a step towards putting things right. ???

Now that is sad!





Richiefish
QLD, 5610 posts
27 Feb 2008 9:32PM
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nebbian said...






RichieFish, have you disabled the V-chip in your TV yet? You know that the government can use it to spy on you, right?

www.uncoveror.com/disable.htm


It's OK. I've painted my TV screen with high lead paint and removed all the IC's. I'm a bit worried about my tinnie thou. It's made out of ALUMINIUM!!! why do they call it a TINNIE. I always feel calm and relaxed when i'm in it!!! It's those Alumini guys.

big gill
WA, 649 posts
27 Feb 2008 10:59PM
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oh well i guess i had a good run

Samb0
270 posts
27 Feb 2008 11:27PM
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stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
28 Feb 2008 2:02AM
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Do you think the bearers of false gifts are the ones that say fluoride is good for you and we'll give it to you free?

harrytesties
133 posts
28 Feb 2008 9:16AM
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pweetas, the websites i have directed youse all to for further enlightenment, the ones so cleverly constructed and presented that in the absence of any dissenting veiws or knowledge so they all sound quite plausable..? hhmmm.... kind of like the rubbish we call free press....? 911 was an inside job... no question. rense.com, jackblood.com, infowars.com.... what is presented here is the details of what has happened, the stuff ups, the leaks, the EVIDENCE... who leased the exact floors on both towers where the jets struck...? why were the towers only 10% of their usual capacity for that time of the day? which american political family controlled the security at the towers? what of the school teacher who came forward and said that when she took her children on a feild trip two weeks before the event, one of her chilren came up to her her and said 'my daddy said these building are coming down next week'... that is paraphrased, but you can veiw her interview on youtube or 911eyewitness.com, of the hundreds and hundreds of experts in their feilds who all claim the towers, inc building seven were textbook demolitions, forget the talking head spewing corporate lies from the t.v everynight, the reason most people don't want to entertain the idea that this can, does and will happen again, is because we want to belive our 'leaders' are there for us, that we understand the game. maybe we are just genetic spare parts, human elecromagnetic batteries for inter-dimensional psychic farmers, maybe just maybe, that is the whole ryhme and reason... but you don't know either, and if we keep thinking we are informed watching the tele, reading the papers, well, then we deserve what we get... as for clinton and lewinski... again look at the details, not just the drama, happens here too, anyone remember the children overboard...? as for the one who stated this discussion is not for here, if its not for general discussion, then where...? 'they' don't want you to talk about this, 'they' would like it all swept under the carpet, the details of the event itself forgotten, with just the effect of the terrorism laws -which immediately went global- remaining... www.vialls.com truth is always stranger than fiction...

hoop
1979 posts
28 Feb 2008 9:57AM
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So your point is, if something is reported on TV then its all lies and conspiracy ,but if you read it on the net then it's the truth of what has really happened. Hairy you are so insightful.

harrytesties
133 posts
28 Feb 2008 11:13AM
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hoop said...

So your point is, if something is reported on TV then its all lies and conspiracy ,but if you read it on the net then it's the truth of what has really happened. Hairy you are so insightful.

ever noticed the news on every channel is the same... every story is the same almost in the same order and all from identical view points...? the net is a massive quagmire of disinformation and illusion, but no more so than the mainstream media, atleast with the net everybody gets a voice, the truth really is 'out' there...
i do not consider myself to be paranoid, though many times, with information which comes to front, i have to double check, i am happy and free within parameters to which we all seem bound, however i do not like to be fed shet and told that that is all there is to eat. i'd take thousands of opinions, eyewitness reports and personal histories over the 'one eyed...(do your research there www.hashemsfilms.com) corporate media, because, that is what it is, they are not reporting on events, they are telling you what 'they' want you to know, all in a sound bite so you can remember it and repeat it as truth. Oh, and don't forget britney spears.... cause there's a distraction from real truth and real current events that we need waste our childrens brains- and hence the evolution of us all -on....

graceman
WA, 323 posts
28 Feb 2008 11:22AM
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Mark _australia said...

Now this thread is getting a bit serious.

I'm more concerned about what in the food/water/air etc is making young girls breasts bigger than what they were years ago.
Very concerned.




You know what is even scarier is that mens breats are getting bigger also, and they have hair
I think its something they put in the water that goes in the beer.
Go the ManCan's

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
28 Feb 2008 1:43PM
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These are all insignificant matters compared to Entropy.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
28 Feb 2008 1:58PM
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harrytesties said...

hoop said...

So your point is, if something is reported on TV then its all lies and conspiracy ,but if you read it on the net then it's the truth of what has really happened. Hairy you are so insightful.


i'd take thousands of opinions, eyewitness reports and personal histories over the 'one eyed...(do your research there www.hashemsfilms.com) corporate media, because, that is what it is, they are not reporting on events, they are telling you what 'they' want you to know, all in a sound bite so you can remember it and repeat it as truth.


Almost there with the paragraphs.

They are not telling you what 'they' want you to know, they are telling you what 'you' want to know, 'you' being the lowest common denominator in society, the medians.

Those trashy mags you see at the checkout don't necessarily want to put Britney on the cover, its just that when they do sales jump. Those mags and tv stations are privately run businesses that have one goal, make a profit. This is called capitalism or free market enterprise. It is the culture you live in, get used to it or just ignore it like I do (I probably speak for all of us here).

You'll find public stations, such as ABC and SBS (actually not sure about SBS these days but you get my drift) don't put Paris as story #1. And why do they all have the same news, they have the same source, what happened today.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
28 Feb 2008 2:16PM
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stribo said...

Do you think the bearers of false gifts are the ones that say fluoride is good for you and we'll give it to you free?



I love that the message was "encoded". Let's encode our super important messages so they are really hard to read. It makes it all feel very secret-society don't it?

Awesome artwork though.

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
28 Feb 2008 1:36PM
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I tend to be with harry on issues of media.For instance if you went to the doctor and he told you that you have cancer.Would you believe him and let him start hacking or get a second opinion??
Media is designed to keep us in check.To keep us consuming.To keep us striving for status and wealth.To keep us greedy
They do this by keeping us in fear.Notice that there aren't many good news stories .One minute your watching a suicide bombers destruction and the next thing you see is the latest lounge sweet on sale at ikea with smiling Mrs Mary Perfect watching her big screen plasma!! WTF!!!
And as for home and away and nieghbours sheeez fkn mind poison. In either of those shows anyone who is mildly alternative turns out joining some bad cult or kidnaps and kills someone..
So don,t stray off the path of mainstream, people.Keep watching the tube and listening to comercial radio and you will all be safe in the arms of big brother.
Oh and be sure to debunk any alternative opinion.

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
28 Feb 2008 3:00PM
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So don't stray off the path of mainstream, people.Keep watching the tube and listening to comercial radio and you will all be safe in the arms of big brother.


That's what mainstream people want/love to watch, that's what mainstream TV provides. That's how they get the viewers and the advertisers. It is not mainstream media telling us what to watch it is us (well obviously not us here) telling them. If they put on windsurfing every night instead of neighbours they'd lose viewers (well obviously not us here) and advertising dollars and go bust.

I wouldn't know though, my 2 year old controls the TV. All I see is Thomas or train videos from the Union Pacific Historical Society (really), over and over and over and over....

I turned on TV the other night for first time in about 6 months. Crap, ads ads ads ads crap, ads for crap ads some more crap... switch off.

My dad's got every cable channel and one of those recorders, bloody awesome, I actually sit down and watch (recorded) cable at his place.

(no-one took my entropy bait )
(This forum stuff is getting too addictive, think I'll quit for a week)

harrytesties
133 posts
28 Feb 2008 1:01PM
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www.hashemsfilms.com "the antichrist dajaal will be a reptilian shapeshifter".... the part where the guy disseminates disney's 'lion king'.... scary, its there in front of your eyes... don't believe me watch it for yourself... britney spears and the like have been groomed since early childhood, sales don't go up because of brittney and the like, those magazines exist to peddle mind numbing trash, and celebrity is the trash medium.

harrytesties
133 posts
28 Feb 2008 1:08PM
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evlPanda......the entropy bait was sooo tempting..... but i'm getting hassled enough for puctuation and paragraphs, again political science has never had such blurry boundaries....

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
28 Feb 2008 2:32PM
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evlPanda said...


So don't stray off the path of mainstream, people.Keep watching the tube and listening to comercial radio and you will all be safe in the arms of big brother.


That's what mainstream people want/love to watch, that's what mainstream TV provides. That's how they get the viewers and the advertisers. It is not mainstream media telling us what to watch it is us (well obviously not us here) telling them. If they put on windsurfing every night instead of neighbours they'd lose viewers (well obviously not us here) and advertising dollars and go bust.

I wouldn't know though, my 2 year old controls the TV. All I see is Thomas or train videos from the Union Pacific Historical Society (really), over and over and over and over....

I turned on TV the other night for first time in about 6 months. Crap, ads ads ads ads crap, ads for crap ads some more crap... switch off.

My dad's got every cable channel and one of those recorders, bloody awesome, I actually sit down and watch (recorded) cable at his place.

(no-one took my entropy bait )
(This forum stuff is getting too addictive, think I'll quit for a week)


What they "want and love"to watch has been conditioned from an early age....as you have clearly stated , observing your own child.
The media are very clever at conditioning the blank canvas of a young mind.

stribo
QLD, 1628 posts
28 Feb 2008 2:48PM
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evlPanda said...

stribo said...

Do you think the bearers of false gifts are the ones that say fluoride is good for you and we'll give it to you free?



I love that the message was "encoded". Let's encode our super important messages so they are really hard to read. It makes it all feel very secret-society don't it?

Awesome artwork though.





The message on the gold disc that NASA sent out into space in 1974 (i think thats the year) was in a binary format.So why woudn't they send a meassage back in the same format?
Ones and zeros mate
Also that image was created overnight in a clear field , farm houses and roads all around...... no whitnesses?????
That doesn't mean that it was really aliens that did it . Just makes it harder to explain how it was done if it where a hoax.
As yet no one has proved it wasn't....
Que x-files theme song.....



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