You're quoting the studies and figures, you post the links.
And you better act quick, they've declined from 5000 to 3500 in the last few posts.
Select to expand quotejbshack said..
The people with more credibility than a surf board and a computer estimate around 5000 only left in the world..
If thats the case how many do you think we can afford to cull
JB.... Are you telling porky pies...
Select to expand quoteWoodo said..jbshack said..
The people with more credibility than a surf board and a computer estimate around 5000 only left in the world.. If thats the case how many do you think we can afford to cull
JB.... Are you telling porky pies...
Yeah sorry your right, if you own a computer and surfboard, then you would obviously know more
Select to expand quotepweedas said..SirJman said..
Hunting down and culling a killer great white (protected species) is a pretty simplistic knee jerk reaction. Waste of fisheries time and money. There are many risks and hazzards in life and I feel most us accept them and take our own calculated risk assessment.
That's funny.
Something which our species has done as a matter of survival instinct for thousands of years has now been described as "a simplistic knee jerk reaction". Well I suppose in the ultimate sense, it might be, but it's this 'knee jerk reaction' which has got us to the position where we don't have to run and hide under a rock every time another animal goes past.
In recent times we seem to have lost that 'simplistic reaction' so that every time something rushes up and eats us, we look for reasons why we shouldn't do anything about it.
We get bogged down in an endless analysis and calls for research and more information so we can analyse the situation in greater detail.
We never have sufficient detail to change our minds that what we were doing all along was not the best course of action, so the problem continues.
It's not that we just apply this to sharks.
We now apply it to everything, even including another drop kick walking up and smashing another innocent person down to the ground so that he dies.
Recent events show we now place greater significance on showing concern for the well being of the perpetrator rather than dispensing the penalty which would have come as an automatic reaction 50 years ago.
Likewise, when a shark swims up and eats someone, we seem to be more concerned with the welfare of the shark.
It's all the same thing. It's a madness.
We're now too kind and compassionate for our own good. 
Compassion is a big part of what makes us human. Human interference in regards to the enviroment has not had many positive outcomes. Sharks keep seal and surfer populations down.
What's it matter. I posted the best possible solution this morning "current shark tagging in Australia" why don't we save our energy and rally to get this system in place at least something will get done.
I really doubt there will be a cull of sharks or seals so why waste time trying to find statistics.
Killing sharks and seals is just going to attract more sharks and also attract a public outcry.
I'm sure there are more shark lovers than haters in the world excluding Chinese!
It could even create some employment for the unemployed.
So lets focus on immediate protective measures for the time being.
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Sadly though humans are dumb, we keep feeding them from our boats teaching them to hang around for a easy meal
This i think is a major problem. They should have the same rules as whales , where you have to keep your distance
Select to expand quoteoz surf said..
Yeah me too. I have petitioned Fisheries to head out to the D9 when we have spawning on. Guys are jumping on line and boasting about spending hours out there catching 40 plus snapper and watching the Great Whites go from nervous to eventually playful and almost food drunk
This happens up and down our coast day in it would seem.
You see i talk to local fisherman, they tell me stuff and i also believe we are seeing more smaller sharks then ever before What was once a issue up North seems to have moved to the local waters? Why? I think a little to do with more warmer currents the last few years, more fish stocks in our local waters than ever before, (thanks in mostly due to bag limits and closing the wet line loop hole the cray boys were using). So it also makes sense to me we will see the bigger sharks moving into this area as well. I don't believe its because there are more than ever, or that there has been a massive doubling at least in numbers, especially when they take up to 15 years till they reach maturity..
I would prefer fisheries would investigate issues of people feeding and filming sharks on the tv news.
This may piss people off, but I feel it must be said. It is no more the shark???s fault that this man died than it is the ground???s fault when a skydiver dies or the road???s fault when someone dies in a car accident. There are sharks in the sea, and sharks sometimes take people???s lives. We know that when we enter the sea.
A few years ago, I would have been comforted by the thought of the shark hanging limp from a chain on a dock somewhere. I would have tried to convince myself that the blood dripping from its morbid mouth as it hung grotesquely next to ???brave??? shark hunters posing for heroic photographs would make things better. But it won???t. Does that make me a hypocrite for putting forth the opposite sentiment? Maybe, that???s up to you, but I don???t think so.
www.theinertia.com/surf/to-know-what-living-is-life-death-and-sharks-in-west-australia/
A lot of BS there;
"The shark is a vicious killer. The shark is a monster, but the shark has its place. The shark serves the same purpose as great heights do for rock climbers."
So the risk of drowning, hitting reefs etc isn't enough to equate with rock climbing etc?
Nah, let's chuck some sharks in there too, cause that's why people surf right?
To conquer sharks the same way a climber conquers the rockface and the skydiver conquers the fall.
Geez, so much cheese, enough to sell a book even.
Talking to a couple of mates this morning, trying to figure out why there are so many shark attacks on the west coast and so few on the East.
Comparatively, there are many more people in the water in the East coast, so you would think there should be more.
Is there something the East is doing/has done, or is it just the different water currents?? Maybe we just don't hear about the ones in the East so much?
Thoughts???.....
Select to expand quoteausiet said..
Talking to a couple of mates this morning, trying to figure out why there are so many shark attacks on the west coast and so few on the East.
Comparatively, there are many more people in the water in the East coast, so you would think there should be more.
Is there something the East is doing/has done, or is it just the different water currents?? Maybe we just don't hear about the ones in the East so much?
Thoughts???.....
I have no idea. Could it be a size thing? It would seem we do have bigger Great Whites? Maybe as our beaches are a bit straighter, so in the east sharks would only bump into surfers if they swam in and out of bays?
That would be good to know.
^^^ It's a different ocean...
edit - jbshack..I browsed over that link read it as 'sexpeditions!' (sorry - got excited for a bit.)
Select to expand quotejbshack said..
I have no idea. Could it be a size thing? It would seem we do have bigger Great Whites? Maybe as our beaches are a bit straighter, so in the east sharks would only bump into surfers if they swam in and out of bays?
That would be good to know.
Hilarious.
Select to expand quoteausiet said..
Talking to a couple of mates this morning, trying to figure out why there are so many shark attacks on the west coast and so few on the East.
Comparatively, there are many more people in the water in the East coast, so you would think there should be more.
Is there something the East is doing/has done, or is it just the different water currents?? Maybe we just don't hear about the ones in the East so much?
Thoughts???.....
Not sure, I know you guys get them but I feel there must be more here.
Yep, we've got more and they're bigger, and they're the reason we go in the water, dodging sharks is like rockclimbing and skydiving.
Select to expand quoteausiet said..
Talking to a couple of mates this morning, trying to figure out why there are so many shark attacks on the west coast and so few on the East.
Comparatively, there are many more people in the water in the East coast, so you would think there should be more.
Is there something the East is doing/has done, or is it just the different water currents?? Maybe we just don't hear about the ones in the East so much?
Thoughts???.....
www.whitesharktrust.org/migration.html
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
Yep, we've got more and they're bigger, and they're the reason we go in the water, dodging sharks is like rockclimbing and skydiving.
Sarcasam dosnt really work with text
You got it though.
What we should do is tag all the sharks we can with shock tags similar to the fence-less dog shock collars, then deploy a bunch of proximity buoys along the coast which will discourage the nasties from coming close.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
You got it though.
What we should do is tag all the sharks we can with shock tags similar to the fence-less dog shock collars, then deploy a bunch of proximity buoys along the coast which will discourage the nasties from coming close.
All the sharks? Cmon, how are you going to do that? They dont all go to one place at the end of the day
Has anyone learnt anything they didn't no before from this thread?
I hope so!
RIP SHARK VICTIMS
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
Yep, we've got more and they're bigger, and they're the reason we go in the water, dodging sharks is like rockclimbing and skydiving.
Actually thats not the reason i go in the water, but i wouldn't expect you to understand, you'd be still trying to work out if you look good with your board shorts over your wetsuit
November 23, 2013:
Surfer Chris Boyd, 35, was killed by a shark in the waters off Gracetown in WA's South West. The fisheries department issued an imminent threat order for the shark, saying there was a threat of more attacks in the area.
October 9, 2013:
A catch-and-kill order issued the day prior for the shark responsible for the attack on Greg Pickering was cancelled after no shark was sighted or caught.
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October 8, 2013:
Diver Greg Pickering was attacked by a shark about 180 kilometres east of Esperance. Mr Pickering was bitten on the leg by a shark in 2004.
April 2, 2013:
There were fears a shark may have attacked 24-year-old Martin Tann who disappeared from Mullaloo Beach.
January 9, 2013:
The first catch-and-kill order for a shark was made after repeated sightings of a large great white shark along Dunsborough beaches.
January 5, 2013:
A diver was bitten twice on the leg by a hammerhead shark 40 kilometres north of Dampier.
November 27, 2012:
The WA Fisheries Department publicly released guidelines as to the circumstances in which it would kill a shark it believed posed a risk to humans.
August 28, 2012:
Jon Hines, a 34-year-old surfer, survived a shark attack at a popular surf spot at Red Bluff, near Quobba Station, on the WA coast.
July 14, 2012:
Passionate young surfer Ben Linden was killed by a great white shark off Wedge Island, near Lancelin, north of Perth.
June 20, 2012:
Surf ski paddler Martin Kane, in his 50s, was tipped out of his craft by a three-metre shark at Mullaloo beach in Perth's north.
March 31, 2012:
Peter Kurmann, 33, died after an attack while diving off Stratham Beach, between Busselton and Bunbury.
Oct 22, 2011:
George Thomas Wainwright, a 32-year-old man from the US, was killed after being bitten by a great white shark while diving off Rottnest Island.
October 10, 2011:
Bryn Martin, 64, was likely taken by a great white shark after he was last seen about 350 metres from the shore heading out to sea on his daily swim at Cottesloe Beach.
September 4, 2011:
Kyle James Burden, 21, was killed while on his body board at Bunker Bay, near Dunsborough.
October 30, 2010:
A tour guide working for a dolphin encounter company was bitten by a shark near Garden Island.
August 17, 2010:
Nick Edwards died after a shark attacked him while he was surfing near Gracetown.
December 27, 2008:
Fisherman Brian Guest was taken by a great white while snorkelling at Port Kennedy.
July 21, 2007:
A teenage boy was attacked by a shark while snorkelling off Cocos Keeling Islands, about 2750 kilometres north-west of Perth.
May 16, 2007:
A woman was bitten on her calf while carrying her baby in the shallows at Warra Beach, south of Coral Bay, on the north-coast of WA.
January 16, 2006:
A scuba diver was attacked by a shark off a Perth beach as the occupants of a nearby boat tried to warn him about the shark.
October 14, 2005:
A four-metre shark menaced a surfboat and forced swimmers from the water at one of Perth's most popular beaches.
September 24, 2005:
A surfer punched a one-metre shark in the head when it attacked him about 120 metres off Perth's Scarborough Beach.
March 19, 2005:
A luxury boat skipper snorkelling off the West Australian coast was bitten in half near the Abrolhos Islands.
July 11, 2004:
Larrikin surfer Brad Smith, 29, died in a shark attack while surfing a popular reef off Gracetown in WA's Margaret River region.
March 7, 2004:
Professional diver Greg Pickering was bitten on the leg by a shark after trying to help a friend who was being attacked by a 1.5 metre bronze whaler off Cervantes in WA's north.
January 25, 2004:
A diver's legs were mauled by a three-metre shark south of Perth.
January 28, 2002:
A man was mauled by a shark at a river south of Perth, suffering a 15 centimetre wound to his inner thigh, requiring 21 stitches.
February 26, 2001:
A huge great white shark attacked a Perth couple's fishing boat just 200 metres from a popular swimming beach on WA's south-coast.
November 6, 2000:
Businessman and father of three Ken Crew, 49, died after his leg was torn off by what fisheries officers believe was a four-metre great white shark.
And there there are all the countless sighting and near misses .............. not mentioned here.
Surf skis bitten in half / engine ripped off young fellas boat
In Geraldton weve one hanging around in the bay 200m off the local beach ,thats turning up each spring , a diver fended it off, week later whilst SUPen off Sunset beach me and mate had the fker surface 200m out the back and cruise along with its dorsal fin as big as a 4x4 tyre ,then it was photoed in the bay munching on a some whale blubber all with in a month
What are the fisheries doing about that .............with all our revenue
Enough is enough
Human life and recreation before preservation of rough Great Whites......full fken stop
The bad joke started in 2000 with Ken Crew attack at Cottesloe .
Now this is the iconic WA location and beach. the in action and dismissive attitude of the politically correct ,fisheries experts , politician, sat behind the poor old great white.
There was one person whom Comment on this attack that being VIC HISLOP the only true expert on the subject matter.
The way he was treated for his frank opinion ,that there was basically a rouge shark / sharks and they would be back and needed to be KILLED was laugh at.
WELL WHO LAUGHING AT WHO ..................GO GET THEM VIC HISLOP WE NEED YOUS HERE NOW.
The fisheries and the efforts after the fact is a joke. What fisheries officer is qualified for this............. HaHaha
The in action and tagging program needs to be stepped up
Here is one of my basic ideas ............
1 why are the fisheries disposing of dead whales by burying them along the metro beaches? ,This is shark food and attracting them to the coast ............ use them but not like this
Toe all the dead whales to say 3 to 5 locations approx 100km off and around the coast , and or supply whales to these locations ,yes, ones we kill...... chain them into groups off 2 of 3 to the bottom.
This would attract.... at some point ALL GREATS WHITES to these locations
The fisheries / marine personnel could then tag 99 % of them
In combination with the right coastal monitoring stations 99% of all great whites could be monitored
With out setting up an area to attract them to be tagged there no change ,
we should not be loosing human life at the rate we are to rouge coastal Great white
Yes most of us follow the news I'm sure? And if you went to the trouble to remind us by typing and researching the history well done. But the only problem is that your not really coming up with a awnser apart from a cull which we all know will not go ahead but thanks for your opinion and the stats , cheers king!
KOTP, I dont think you realise, Fisheries dept have no intention of diminishing the problem because it is a cash cow for them.
Every person who dies is worth another few million to them when they use it as leverage to demand more staff, bigger boats, bigger and better 4wd's, more hours on water, more of everything, except the obvious and simple and action which is required to fix the situation. You've got to admit, managing the shark problem is a lot more fun for them than driving around checking peoples fishing licenses.
The shark attack industry will become just another new industry like the heart attack industry and cancer industry.
Everything is designed just to "manage the problem", not to fix it.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
Yes most of us follow the news I'm sure? And if you went to the trouble to remind us by typing and researching the history well done. But the only problem is that your not really coming up with a awnser apart from a cull which we all know will not go ahead but thanks for your opinion and the stats , cheers king!
I've already stated the answer a number of times, and it's dirt cheap.
The only problem is, it gets drowned out by a barrage of fog about apex predators and destroying the oceans and so much more highly improbable rubbish.
THE SOLUTION IS ;-
At regularly spaced intervals around the coast,
license a number of commercial fishermen
and issue a standing order
so that when there is an attack on someone
who is in an area which is a long established swimming, surfing or diving area,
they have immediate permission and authority
to get out there and bait the shark
catch it
and kill it.
There,.. I've set it out in simple logical steps.
Not very complex really, and yet it seems to be beyond the capacity of anyone to implement it.
If in 5 years time we have killed 20 sharks and the attacks have not diminsihed, then we can call in all the degreed and doctorated experts to tell us what they found by reading up stuff on the internet, and look at trying some of the difficult and expensive ideas that are now being suggested.
Yiiiiihaaa!!! it's time for a witch hunt boys! Get the pitchforks and dem flamin torches!!!! *Hillbilly music plays*
