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Beware purchasing second hand kites

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Created by Maxiy > 9 months ago, 24 Mar 2012
Harty
QLD, 24 posts
28 Mar 2012 9:27PM
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Maxiy said...

Hi everyone

I have just had a very disappointing experience purchasing a second hand kite from a person on seabreeze. I purchased an 08 model 12m liquid force havoc for $400 dollars. Now for that price and that year model i was not expecting the best kite in the world HOWEVER i was expecting a kite that i could actually fly when i got it. Now this is what was posted on the advert

"kite\ bar\bag couple small pro repairs......... offers........"

i contacted the seller and he sent me some pictures, the usual top back and sides deal. The kite looked in decent condition from the pics (no pictures of the repairs however). Now i should have been more cautious and asked for more pictures and pictures of the repairs, that was a misjudgment on my part.

I bought the kite and a few days later got it in the mail. To cut a long story short, there was more than a few repairs, most were small but a number were over 20cm in length. There was a number of tears that were not repaired, and i would not say they were repaired some repair tape had been put over the tears, most of which had sand under it and was falling off. The bar was not the original bar and both the bar and kite were covered in sand and salt so were in my opinion terrible condition. Then to top it all off i didn't even get to fly it for more than 2 minutes before the kite had deflated due to a bladder puncture in one of the struts.

I contacted the seller to tell him my frustrations and disappointment, and his reply was " that's kiting mate you need to fix your gear some times, you will need to learn how to repair bladders. you can repair the bladder quite easily" (he told me how to do this) Then he said, "Repair the bladder, go kite surfing and get over it, im not going to loose sleep over it"

Top bloke

So to sum up i payed $400 for a kite that does not fly, was in horrible condition and the seller was blatantly dishonest about the kite.

I hope this can be a warning to anyone purchasing second hand gear. Have your whits about you, Most people are honest good people, but not everyone, and like me you can get stung

Regards


Maybe your thread should have started something like this:
Hey All, I am interested in buying a kite from 'Location' but as I live in 'Location' I am unable to view before purchase, so if anyone who lives local to the seller can inspect for me I would be very grateful. Please pm me if you can help.( a carton should be forthcoming).
Pro active beats reactive hands down. This is a small yet widespread community. May as well take advantage where you can.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
28 Mar 2012 10:47PM
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^^^^^^Good idea
Hey all, I have met this girl on the internet that lives in WA.
She says she is hot,
Her pic looks really hot but want to know it is actually a pic of her and not her cute sister.
Can someone in WA go check her for me before I book my plane ticket

Harty
QLD, 24 posts
28 Mar 2012 9:55PM
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^^Sure. For a carton.

MRRANDOM
NSW, 5 posts
29 Mar 2012 12:00AM
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Maxiy

Just letting you know that not all sellers are shonky @$$holes, better luck next time mate.
Wind up

Paradox
QLD, 1326 posts
30 Mar 2012 3:42PM
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Many opinions on a simple topic if you ask me.

1) buyer always has to beware, but I do not agree that you must see all kites before you buy, you just need to put more effort into due dilligence.

2) the above point notwithstanding, sellers have a responsibility not to deceive or plainly lie about a product. This is actually fraud.

If buyer asks enough questions and seller answers truthfully then there can be no misunderstandings.

For the record I have sold and bought a number of kites over the years and would expect an 08 kite to be in pretty good condition for $400. The one described would be unsellable IMO.

My recommendation for anyone buying a kite remotely is to get the answers to the following in writing:

1) are all parts original and genuine? if not detail all parts that are not original including surce and manufacturer of replacement parts.

2) Provide detail of all repairs, including close up photos of each, who did it and when.

3) Is there any non repaired damage to the kite (apart from normal wear), or non operable parts on the kite? if so provide close up photos and details.

4) Estimate how many times the kite has been flown by you. Plus in total if you are not the original owner.

5) How long have you owned the kite?

6) please advise on the condition of the lines and bridles and when they were last replaced?

7) does the bladder currently hold full inflation for at least 1hour? If not how long does it take to drop below 5psi?

8) are there any aspects of the kite that I as a buyer would want to know about prior to purchase that would effect my decision to buy the kite but you have not detailed in any of the above answers?

9) please confirm you are the lawfull owner of the kite

Anyone answering those questions properly will have a kite you want.

Maxiy
ACT, 96 posts
30 Mar 2012 6:04PM
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Thanks for posting that. Like I had mentioned earlier in the thread I place some of the blame on myself for being too casual with my purchase. You pointed out a number of things I would not have thought of. Very good advice and I will be following your points in the future for sure.

kkiter
NSW, 452 posts
30 Mar 2012 9:24PM
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What a load of crap. The seller was misleading in his description and as such is an a###hole. He knew full well the kite was a peice of crap and was just hoping some poor schmuck would buy it. Anyone defending this guy either knows him, or is just as bad. "Buyer Beware" is just a cop out for the shonks out there. What about honesty and integrity?
Bad luck Maxiy. Hopefully karma will catch up with this grub.

woodys
WA, 218 posts
30 Mar 2012 6:49PM
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Ive been thinking on this for some time now.
It was suggested here a while back by someone that shops should offer a kite check service.
Sounded like a minefield at first but Im thinking it may just help. A bit like an RAC check on a car. I wouldnt ever buy a 2nd hand vehicle without an RAC check.
At KSS we have a proforma check list we run & report on every aspect of every 2nd hand kite before we offer it for sale. Basically its a 2 part process. A pre-flight check and a full flight check.
The pre-flight includes a thorough inspection & measure of every feature of the kite. It also notes the condition and % wear of all the different parts as well as a minimum of a 1hr inflation check (usually 3hrs). It records any work needed to be done before we offer it for sale as safe & saleable as well as an estimate of parts & labour to carry out any repairs. It takes around 40 mins average - add a bit of extra time for keying it all in to a form & costing repairs & parts. etc. say a bit under an hr.
If you thought it was worth $50 we would be happy to do that - for either party.
A full flight check, which we also do on many of our trade-ins, which is all of the above plus a session on the kite would be out of the question $ wise.

woodys
WA, 218 posts
30 Mar 2012 9:36PM
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Could just be a useful way I use the idea of an RAC check if Im buying a car.
I always ask the seller " Look Id like it checked out. I'll pay of course but can we organise and RAC check before I commit?"
Ive found those with vehicles they know may not rate will um & arr and/or make excuses why its not possible.
Great indicator to me that I should perhaps keep ringing around

Whatever - the offer is out there now.

theDoctor
NSW, 5780 posts
31 Mar 2012 4:06AM
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i got a threadbare 2009 cab switchblade 12m if any learners interested...

nothing wrong with it except you can see the sun through it.....

brand new lines.....

pm me if interested

(I've sold an bought of the breeze classifieds before, never a drama)

someawe
WA, 179 posts
31 Mar 2012 9:59AM
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lotofwind said...

^^^^^^Good idea
Hey all, I have met this girl on the internet that lives in WA.
She says she is hot,
Her pic looks really hot but want to know it is actually a pic of her and not her cute sister.
Can someone in WA go check her for me before I book my plane ticket


And take her for a test ride

pattiecannon
QLD, 593 posts
5 Apr 2012 9:42AM
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kkiter said...

What a load of crap. The seller was misleading in his description and as such is an a###hole. He knew full well the kite was a peice of crap and was just hoping some poor schmuck would buy it. Anyone defending this guy either knows him, or is just as bad. "Buyer Beware" is just a cop out for the shonks out there. What about honesty and integrity?
Bad luck Maxiy. Hopefully karma will catch up with this grub.


I'm with Kkiter on this one. Have you had any resolution Maxiy?
I wonder if the guy who bought from the Ozone reseller in NZ couldn't just go back there and get his coin back. Any reseller in Oz would do this. Most kiteshops I know of offer a 3month warranty on all 2nd hand gear so this could only happen to the unluckiest of us who shop at shops in the lucky country.

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
5 Apr 2012 10:34AM
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someawe said...

lotofwind said...

^^^^^^Good idea
Hey all, I have met this girl on the internet that lives in WA.
She says she is hot,
Her pic looks really hot but want to know it is actually a pic of her and not her cute sister.
Can someone in WA go check her for me before I book my plane ticket


And take her for a test ride


Just don't overinflate her...



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