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I think the AKSA has just realised what I've known for sometime......that there are two distinct sports happening now.
Kitesurfing and Kiteboarding, each with specialised gear and skills.
Ideally, the former needs side-shore bearaway down-the-line waves and the latter requires butter-smooth flatwater with space....all with good consistent wind.
Geraldton is a freak of nature that satisfies these requirements of both sports. Oh, and let's not forget about the nukin winds.
Gero may be the yardstick to gauge all future Nationals, but try replicating those same conditions anywhere on the East Coast.
That's a hard act to follow!
'slave the soul-kiter.
Have them at "the freak of nature" from 2007-2010. Have all the State Committees involved in a certain aspect of the event. WA could do the local community thing, VIC could do the party thing, NSW could do the sponsor thing, QLD marketing, Tas. the beer thing and NT the security thing......or whatever....
As good as Gero was, it was still rinky dink in many ways....this is not a critizism. The sport just has so much untapped potential IMO.
Also, it is important that all the volunteers get to kite at least 1/2 the time of the events
... if the STATE championships have a great deal of hype... sponsorship ...prizes, and good planning .... they really will set the scene and get people looking foreward to the NATs
people from WA dont mind coming over coz we just had our turn but if every year until we get a turn again we got to go twice. its going to be an expensive exercise. airfares twice and 2 weeks no pay. i think gero rocked as far as organisation and i dont see why you cant have 1 venue where u are scored for waves and freestyle in the 1 venue. i even think u could hold it in the same heat. u get scored on a certain amount of freestyle tricks and have to get scored on a couple of wave rides. whoever scores the most wins and back score to see who won the waves overall. and who won the freestyle overall. but it could give a better indication of an overall oz champ. just a n idea.
There is more to the decision to hold 2 competitions, and while I still think there are locations that would be ideal to run both, for now that does not seem like it is going to happen.
The only 2 responses that AKSA received for the 2005 Nats were from Vic and a group on the Gold Coast.
Andrew Regan, AKSA VP, dropped in to see me yesterday, and explained the reasoning behind the decision to have the 2 comps.
Its pretty simple really, Vic has a strong group of volunteers based in Melb and some sponsors, so does the Goldy group. If one or the other was chosen, the potential was to lose a great sponsor, and if Vic was chosen, then there would be no wave event. The decision was finalised at the recent AGM, and there was a lot of notice given about that meeting
My suggestion to Andrew was to create 2 separate comps now, one freestyle based, and the other wave based, simply because the sport has evolved into these 2 directions, each with specific water and wind conditions. Many other aspects of the 2 disciplines are unique to each of them, even the judging will be quite different.
Its the same in other sports, why not kiteboarding.
The complex and contentious issue of combining the events to produce an overall champion is something no-one seems to want to tackle, and I wonder if that is really because everyone believes that there are now 2 distinctly different variations to the sport of kiteboarding.?
The overall results at Gero did not really reflect a popular ranking of Best overall, simply because of the weighting of freestyle over waveriding, and that argument will never end, waveriders are always going to believe their discipline is more important, and vice versa.
I remember when some of the more vocal people in this thread were 100% freesyle riders and now they are almost the other way, they live for riding waves, and the change was not that long ago.
After talking to Andrew for quite a while, it was very obvious that he and all the other committee members gave this issue of splitting the comps very serious thought and in fairness to them they made a difficult decision with the future good of the sport firmly in mind. This is a decision for the future and I think we all need to calm down a little (me included) and consider that we will now have 2 separate titles, Australian Freestyle and Australian Waveriders, and possibly an overall title, if the weighting issue cane ever be resolved ! 
The AKSA committee are a passionate and hard working bunch of kiters, they do seriously consider our needs, and I did mention the need for greater transparency to Andrew and I am sure he and the committee will be giving more thought to how this can be achieved. "Trants" idea of putting the minutes of every meeting on the AKSA website, is a good one and a simple link put here by Laurie, when he gets notification from AKSA would solve a lot of problems IMO.
There have been some great ideas in this thread, and the AKSA committee have some excellent ones of their own too, lets give them a break to see what else they can do to improve an already very productive, functional and relevent AKSA.
The issue of travelling to events in Oz is a bit of a furphy, we live in a country that is several thousand klms wide, has 30,000 klms of coastline, travelling is just part of life here. I found the trip to Gero much easier to do than the trip I made to the Gold Coast Nats. No-one is being forced to enter comps, and its not like going to these places is not fun, we are getting to go kiting and meet with all our friends. The extra expense involved for those that truly want to try amd win the Best Overall title, is just par for the course and it is ultimately their choice. If it were not for the dedication and lots of hard work by large groups of volunteers, then there would be no comps at all.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
So the locations were selected beacuase of the volunters!!that makes sense. What happened to all the cash AKSA had? Well according to the news letter they spent it on themselves Admin fees and sh#t!!!
Heaps of location in OZ have some flat and wave. Moorocydore on the sunny coast has sick river mouth for the flat and waves within walking distance.
AKSA clearly dont have the public or kiters in mind.
we need a new association its that simple.
BOYCOTT AKSA or see the further demise of kitesurfing in OZ
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Originally posted by Kiting Monkey
So the locations were selected beacuase of the volunters!!that makes sense. What happened to all the cash AKSA had? Well according to the news letter they spent it on themselves Admin fees and sh#t!!!
Heaps of location in OZ have some flat and wave. Moorocydore on the sunny coast has sick river mouth for the flat and waves within walking distance.
AKSA clearly dont have the public or kiters in mind.
we need a new association its that simple.
BOYCOTT AKSA or see the further demise of kitesurfing in OZ
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BOYCOTT AKSA or see the further demise of kitesurfing in OZ
I fully understand an event can't be run unless someone or some group volunteer to do it. I've also seen first hand what a thankless task it is being on the natioanl and state committees. Everyone needs to remember we all want wants best for the sport, but like anything, different people have different views.
I have re-read all the AKSA newsletters and have always been aware location volunteers were being sought. However no where except in the final decision was splitting of the event mentioned. I'm certain had it been raised as a possibility publicy this mess of conflicting opinions and interests could have been avoided.
I also think the sport is too underdeveloped to stand up to a splitting of disciplines, for goodness sake we can't even agree amongst ourselves what's 'cool', 'legitimate' etc. let alone expect a wider public, media, and sponsor market to take our disciplines seriously.
I guess the main trouble I'm having accepting AKSA's decision regards the 2006 Nationals is that the AGM (for those who aren't aware that stands for Annual General Meeting, an event that happens ONCE A YEAR ONLY and in most contexts is a big and important event) only lasted 25 MINUTES. Opened at 12:45pm and all the highly relevant criticial decisions facing the body for the year were discussed and sorted by 1:10pm!!! Look up the minutes on the AKSA website dor yourself to verify.
As mentioned before I understand it's a hard task but do you really expect me to take your decision seriously when it's all done and sorted in 25 MINUTES?
I hope a workable solution can be found. Competing riders ought to receive the accolades they deserve as AKSA acknowledges yet splitting the disciplines up cheapens them and devalues the rider. Yes kiteboarding is a water sport with some similarities to windsurfing but it is a unique sport as we all know and should not be forced down the same competition path of windsurfing. Create our own system, don't lets mimick other sports and sell ourselves short.
Jess
Just a quick reply to Jess, I don't want to get into the whole debate about the nationals but wanted to point out something about the AKSA AGM from someone who was there. If you re-read the minutes you will be horrified to find that.....
[}:)]THE NATIONALS WEREN'T DISCUSSED AT ALL!!!![}:)]
Now before everyone starts yelling back, the nationals were debated at great length at the LONG General Meeting that immediately followed the AGM (don't know the exact number of minutes). And a decision was reached by the people who had made the effort to turn up, or sent their proxy vote, based on the options available.
Looking back (always easier than looking forward) the minutes of that meeting should have been posted for comment, and AKSA will be looking at ways of further improving communications with members.
On a happier note it is good to see so many passionate people getting into the debate, it will make future nationals much easier to plan knowing who to consult.
May the wind blow so everyone chills out a bit
Gav
As my last post on this topic for the time being, I would like to know 2 things.
1. The price of lodging in Melb. and Gold Coast?
2. Will there be room for kiters (like volunteers) other than the competitors?
Coming off a trifecta....3 early sessions in a row at PT. Why would I even consider going anywhere else to kite than my own backyard.........I must be stupid.
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Originally posted by Jess
I fully understand an event can't be run unless someone or some group volunteer to do it. I've also seen first hand what a thankless task it is being on the natioanl and state committees. Everyone needs to remember we all want wants best for the sport, but like anything, different people have different views.
I have re-read all the AKSA newsletters and have always been aware location volunteers were being sought. However no where except in the final decision was splitting of the event mentioned. I'm certain had it been raised as a possibility publicy this mess of conflicting opinions and interests could have been avoided.
I also think the sport is too underdeveloped to stand up to a splitting of disciplines, for goodness sake we can't even agree amongst ourselves what's 'cool', 'legitimate' etc. let alone expect a wider public, media, and sponsor market to take our disciplines seriously.
I guess the main trouble I'm having accepting AKSA's decision regards the 2006 Nationals is that the AGM (for those who aren't aware that stands for Annual General Meeting, an event that happens ONCE A YEAR ONLY and in most contexts is a big and important event) only lasted 25 MINUTES. Opened at 12:45pm and all the highly relevant criticial decisions facing the body for the year were discussed and sorted by 1:10pm!!! Look up the minutes on the AKSA website dor yourself to verify.
As mentioned before I understand it's a hard task but do you really expect me to take your decision seriously when it's all done and sorted in 25 MINUTES?
I hope a workable solution can be found. Competing riders ought to receive the accolades they deserve as AKSA acknowledges yet splitting the disciplines up cheapens them and devalues the rider. Yes kiteboarding is a water sport with some similarities to windsurfing but it is a unique sport as we all know and should not be forced down the same competition path of windsurfing. Create our own system, don't lets mimick other sports and sell ourselves short.
Jess
Hmmmm.....lots of things sneaking into this topic that need to be elsewhere.
It's great to see that a few have opinions about the nationals and it's suggested format and are not afraid to voice them.
On the surface I feel that it is a bit sad that the Nationals is to be split into "disciplines". As taking something apart is always going to devalue it to a certain extent. No matter what it is.
However, there are logisitical things and volunteer support which dictate decision making and lead to "restrictions" creeping in. It is very difficult to run waves and freestyle together at the same competition and it was just awesome what the volunteers achieved in Geraldton. To be able to repeat that somewhere else in Australia is a very, very big ask. (pat on the back for all of those involved) All we wanted to achieve was shift the focus more to kiteboarding being bigger than just freestyle.
Location of an event where two disciplines are combined such as wave riding and freestyle doesn't mean that you have to have flat water and waves. You really only need to have waves.
Freestylers parking their kites at 45 and doing tricks on flat water will produce the "big moves", that a small minority seem to be focussing on as the "cutting edge" of our sport. Some even think that "wave riding" is the only go.
It's not about splitting things up into disciplines in my opinion.
It's about having a location where the best rider can win and be National champion determined by his OVERALL kiting ability. As I see a National Champion as a KITEBOARDING national champion. That means he uses a kite and a board to show what he can do in the environment given. If that location is a wave breaking beach break then so be it. Show us how high you can do your tricks off a wave ramp, show us a handle pass, show us a bottom turn, use the conditions to show what you can do all round. I personally think that is what kiteboarding is.
I even think going fast ie "racing" whether it be a down winder, up winder, time trial...whatever. Should be included as that is what a lot of people like to do too. Kiteboarding is so young that their is no "New School" cutting edge stuff. we are simply doing what is already out there in other sports or other expressions that someone did ages ago. There is no way you can say one trick is worth more points than another. Kitelooping is really the only thing that makes our sport a bit different from other sports as we do something with the kite rather than just doing something under the kite.
It's how a kiter demonstrates what he can do smoothly. If that's a board off and a handle pass and a nice couple of turns on a wave and getting into orbit doing a deadman all in the same run then that is good kiting.
So what am I saying?.
I'm saying the event steering committee needs to have a good hard look at what kiteboarding actualy IS and take into account what the membership actually does, and that's everything....wave riding...freestyle....wake style.....and....going quickly (racing).
To determine a National Champion all of this,......again just my opinion.....needs to be judged.
You can do that all in one location, all you need is water with waves. It doesn't have to be the "BEST" location for one style or the other, it just needs wind. We are kiters, not wakeboarders, not surfers, we are all of that together but in essence we are kiters. I will never bitch about locations and choices of locations, because I am spoilt and I know it. We are lucky to have such a big country where we can kite and enjoy. Where it is we choose to play and enjoy is dictated by economics. If everyone could affford to travel we would.
Respect needs to be given to AKSA and to all membership by respecting that when a location has been chosen, you come, you kite, you do your best and you deal with the conditions that are there.
The determination of how that is achieved in terms of judging is what the focus needs to be on. Not splitting the disciplines, keeping it all together.
One location.....judge according to the location. What happens if you organise a wave event and there's no swell?. Do you run a freestlye?. Damn right you do. You judge the event to see who is the best, at that given point in time in that location. Riders just need to deal with it and do their best.
Another thing, One state association each year organising. Under guideance from AKSA....bring the associations closer together by helping each other out, build up the local associations by supporting and encouraging. Set it up so that it is a locked in tour of the country year after year. Let the state association choose where they want it based upon who they can get to help from their membership.
SA
WA
QLD
NSW
VIC
That will give each state association 4 years to get it together before it comes back around. This sport is here to stay and we need to think that way if we are to grow.
Ok, now I need to go and continue supporting my stressing fiance' and work out how I am going to find a baby sitter for her friends children when they fly into Frankfurt Germany from the US for the wedding who speaks English. Then send my Dad some maps so he can learn the route to the Airport so I can have him pick up arrivals. Translate my wedding speech into German and learn it off by heart. I'm stressing far more than when the nationals where looming up 40 days away I can assure you.
Hope what I have said helps this sport move morward a little more smoothly.
God Bless
Keep our sport open and free to change, don't pigeon hole it by splitting it up so early.
best comments yet gav. its not about 1 or another it is about an overall kiter. can kite in all conditions and adapts when they change and can still prove him/her self. vote 1 location.
Im sorry if anyone has already said this but its to much to read lol. Why dont we just copy the PKRA and have the nats at one convinient surf location. the wakestyle riders might not like it but surely its takes more skill to pull powered moves in the surf than on flat water. That way the best all around riders and most complete kiteboarders will stand out.
DONT SPLIT THE NATS
DONT SPLIT THE NATS
DONT SPLIT THE NATS
DONT SPLIT THE NATS
DONT SPLIT THE NATS
DONT SPLIT THE NATS
Now we're talking, I reckon Gav and Ryland are thinking the right way.
Personally I thought the wave riding part of Gero was a pain in the ass, it conflicted with the other heats, and forced you to go out to ride a wave heat even when there was only 1 foot of wind chop breaking on a dry reef. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed my wave-riding at Gero, it was fun, but I don't believe it added to the overall decision to find the champ.
A good kiter should be able to use the given environment, Most good wave spots get wicked flat water sections close to shore and between the lines of waves, perfect for those wake/freestyle tricks, good ramps for launching, and if you can catch and slash some waves and work that into your heat, then you're gonna look like one styley all-rounder. That is true free style!
I havn't heard of any other national comps split into different events. Why should we do it different, we're looking for a kiting champ, not a surfing winner.
having said all that, there's no reason not to have dedicated wave-riding comps (or free-style), there's a wave riding world tour, don't know much about it, but why not organise a leg of it here in Oz?
While I'm here, I just want to say thanks to AKSA and all those other organisations who have big decisions to make, with no interest from us members, or valuable contributions to their publicly accessible association. The only time anyone seems to get involved is after the decision is made, its too easy for us anonymous cyber posters to stick the boot in afterwards and throw our little tantrums.
My opinion is hold the comp wherever someone is willing to make the effort to host it. One year it might be a flat water paradise, the next maybe a wave-break location. The national champ will be easily decided on the day as the one riding better than the rest.
So Gav, you want....
A party contest that's freestyle in waves or (if it's flat) freestyle in ripples and B.Y.O. wind ^^
I think... who cares if it's split.... who cares if you don't go to the wave and the freestyle event... who cares..... The wave sufing event is just that... a surfing competition using kites..... on waves, thats all, if it means more to you than the frestyle then go there..... the Freestyle comp on the other hand, is whatever you want: it's "free - style" the winner of the freestyle comp.. should be just that... the winner of the freestyle nationals comp of australia, it should be kept seperate, as it is a seperate event, with seperate rules and is bias towards people who can actually ride waves, where as the freestyle, is not supposed to be bias towards any paticular style, and let you go out ther and do your stuff. There should be a freestyle champ, and a wave surfing champ, without even attempting to combine the two .... and as far as talking about people with " powered kites low " in the freestyle, it's freestyle dude, any trick pays, big air, board off, wave rideing, everything pays as it's free-style. It encompases all aspects of the sport... The wave surfing comp though, is clearly a wave surfing comp... It's a spin off of the main stream, doo whatever you want, becaus, you HAVE to be on a wave to score... so given that one comp is what ever you want to do you have every chance to do whatever you want to be national champ, everything gets scored, i see absolutely no need to have an overall champ.... clearly the free-style champ has the ability to be good on waves, aswell as off waves, whereas the wave surfing champ only has to be good on waves therefore why not keep them seperate, as looking at what is contained within each discipline... freestyle encompases wave riding anyway.
further to those that say but the nat champ should be good on waves... well what about handlepasses? what about big air board offs, what about apparatus like kicker & slider, it would only be fair if you want to ensure he is the best over all, to hold seperate big air, handlepass, and kicker/slider park comps?? of course it's a load of crap and so is combining the two for a national champ IMO
You can't have a National KiteSURFING Champ who's crap in waves.
That's gay.
That's oxymoronic.
Theres nothing really odd about the split comp. I suppose.
It happens in surfing. You have shortboard (real) surfing.Then there is longboard comps and bodyboard comps.
Windsurfing is the same. They have wavesailing comps, slalom comps and racing comps. None of them have anything to do with the others.
Then there is snow sports. Racing,slalom and downhill , Freestyle skiing,and snow boarding.All seperate,all with their own rules,own circuits,own champs.
However,kiting isn't really big enough to support this kind of seperation.All you end up with is diminished attendance and the resultant lack of sponsorship .
IMHO again.
Apologies to all AKSA 'volunteer' officials if my earlier response seemed overly critical. I know how thankless these tasks can be & it wasnt personal - at all.
Having read all the responses to date I am tending to think that Chopper (just above)+ others are heading the right way.
Perhaps we are a sport of divided disciplines. Kite'surfing' & Kite'boarding' should perhaps be separate titles. I'm still not at all comfortable with THE NATIONALS being held 1000's of ks apart but it does seem appropriate to drop the whole idea of a national champ having to excel in both 'sports'. For sure they are different. A top rate freestyler (handlepasses etc etc) is sure to have developed some skills in waves as a matter of course.
Not necessarily the reverse but. There are plenty of 'kitesurfers' out there already who couldnt give a frogs doodle about handle passes or fancy wake-style moves but who could rank themselves up with the best on any wave on any day.
Perhaps it is the time to separate the emphasis and run separate comps. A National Freestyle Kiteboarding Comp. and a National Kitesurfing Wave Comp.
If this is a reasonable concept 
then the stage is certainly set for it the way things are planned at the moment for 2006.
So then theres the problem for us 'spectator only' types
sunny QLD for the Kitesurfing wave nationals
OR
St. KILDA beach for a week of freestyle - (OMG Im not going there verbally 
or in person either )
Give me QLD & Waves - if its Either/Or - easy pick 4 this spectator.
Let the debate continue .........................
PS The more I think about it the better it sounds.
KiteSURFING National Comp - if they ever get round to an Octogenarin division (or even a Septogenarian or praps even a sixtyogerian division) I may just ; 1 day ; crack it for a place on the starting blocks 
(Im certainly never gonna be a contender for handlepassing extemism)
BUT - then again theres always the John Guyers of this world out there to spoil every opportunity we may chance to dream upon
Who GsAF - I love kiting no matter how crap the spectacle I may be.
No matter whether the crowd is larfing or cheering
- the base expression is the same for both
- same as mine every minute Im out there
- its a smile
Four pages to this topic thus far and counting.
AKSA should pay a premium for all the ideas and brain-storming happening here. $23,000 in the bank.....rich AKSA.
How about a free AKSA T-shirt to all members, no rephrase that, to all posters, cause I won't join a club.
Well its all interesting to read, for sure. I started out thinking it was crazy to split the event, really only because of a fear I had that it would be too hard to pull off 2 Nat title events in one year.
But after speaking to Andrew and many others I can see a different vision for the sport.
Look at what the top freestylers of a year or 2 ago are doing today, dozens of them are travelling the world looking for the worlds best wave riding locations. They ride surfboards now, many go unstrapped all the time, they have become soulkiters, they kite away from crowds, in places that are best suited to a kiter and a kitesurfboard, these are the true kiteSURFERS.
A new younger crew have and are stepping into the freestyle ring, pushing it harder and harder, way beyond "wakestyle", into a new class of freestyle kiteBOARDING, they do not just park the kite and do no whip tricks, its now more like they whip the kite and themselves together into the most complex and amazing rotational bar passing mind boggling synergy on water of mind and body, kite and board.
Australians have always been innovative leaders in water based board sports, lets not stop the people with vision and passion from allowing 2 separate events to take place, lets see what comes of it. Australia is a kiteaddicts dream location, uncrowded and blessed with aeesome spots and conditions for kiteboarding, kitesurfing and all kitesports.
Life is never a one track predictable road, that would be way too boring for free spirited, crazy, and courageous people like kiters.
Go with the flow, there are 2 groups with energy, and money to put on these events.
There is a massive potential for a kiteSURFING world tour, held in the worlds best KITE surfing locations, that can promise big, challenging waves and appropriate wind directions. This style of event must be hugely attractive and very easy for sponsors and their marketing people to slip into given the success of the surf brands big wave events???
Same for kiteBOARDING, and I am sure over time we can find places that do really have flat water and good winds, where sliders and kickers can be part of the "terrain" in the competition area, that kiters are judged in. ( I've got 2 x 40' inflatable sliders that could be part of the Nats in Melb???)
Kiteboarding, and kitesurfing both have their roots in power kiting and traction kiting, even though they draw on skills from surfing, wakeboarding, etc.
Power kiting and traction kiting go back to single line kites and early steerable kites. Contrary to what some companies would lead you to believe, kiteboarding and kitesurfing are not a natural evolution from windsurfing. Windsurfing is an evolution of yachting and sailing, kiteboarding and all power kite sports are an evolution of kitemaking and kitesports, kiters discovered that kites can be used to sail! The pioneers of power kiting like Peter Lynn, were using kites to pull kite powered boats nearly 20 years ago, Don Montague has discovered this 2-3 years ago
All the events I have attended over the last 15 years of my love affair with kites, I have seen the dividing up of the sport into different disciplines, it is only natural to allow that to happen now.
At kite festivals before kitesurfing even began in Oz, we would have different events for sport kites and even 2 classes within that area, called freestyle and precision. We would have many classes of single line kites, including the huge predecessors of modern power kites and kitesurfing kites, which were large framed box and delta kites, huge single line parafoils, etc.
Then buggies happened, and we had separate events, in separate locations even, now we have landboards and there are separate events and titles, forums, etc.
I can even see a 3rd kiteboarding/kitesurfing class or discipline evolving, especially as some of the younger kiters age and cannot compete with the young newcommers. It will be dominated by the super fit and strong types who want to push themselves to new limits and cover long distances, in a race against a clock and each other.
Rememeber to stay young at heart. Remember how you felt when you were a teenager, every day was a new challenge, your mind was an open sponge ready to learn and adjust? Well kiting is still in its teen years, still evolving, let those involved in pushing the limits strive for new directions, lets not be like the rest of the worls building fences and limits into everything we do.
If you are totally for a one event/single title type format and are more attracted to one of the two proposed events, the get involved with AKSA and the group holding the event, and be part of the solution. Don't sit on the outside throwing rocks at your own glasshouse, turn your event into everything you want it to be, by being part of the solution not part of the problem.
I must be up to about 5c worth now at least!
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve McCormack
It's simple really,
Either drop the overall National champ thing and have seperate events ie National kite SURFER and National kite BOARDER held on different dates in different locations
OR
Run the event in waves and as others have said Free Style with waves and board offs and handle passes and kiteloops and and and etc etc.
We've done it in the two nationals prior to Gero, it was only the judging that was whinged about and the organisation, not the conditions. There is flat water between the waves and if it truly is 'wake' style, then the closest thing you have to real wake is surf, so why all the bitching. Just add the 2 rider priority bouy system to a wave location and announce "FREE STYLE" and let everyone go for it, everything counts and add a style multiplier. Easy!
I still reckon seperate locations bite if there is to be an overall champion!
The debate is interesting if nothing else. 
Or we could all just go kiting and all declare ourselves winners and be done with it
