Why grant would want to modify the best bar on the market,i do not know.I think people need to pay attention and setup their gear exactly how it is designed to be setup.If grant had the leash connected to the right place and was riding in override mode this wouldn't have happened.I fly a sb2 and always ride in override mode so if anything happens you only have to take your hands off the bar and it will slowly make it's way to the edge of the wind window,(this will happen even if a front or back line break).I strongly recommend every cab owner to ride in override mode.These kites have no bar pressure,you can pull the bar in with your pinky if you wanted to.The only reason why you wouldn't ride in override is if you wanted to perform a deadman trick. If anyone knows of any other trick that can only be done while not in override let us know. cheers!
p.s. waveslave, your attitude to kite leashes stinks,and don't listen to walshd and get a rev cause the bar is a poorly made piece of rubbish.get a switchy and set it up to how it is designed to be setup.You won't look back!!!
dude 'im not steve.I actually kitesurf. yeah my wife says that i should be a cab rep. lol
I cannot believe that "kitesurferg" (supposedly an experienced kiter) could put down an explanation like the list of points he provided and expect anyone to accept those as some form of justification for the debacle. 
But even ignoring all of that side of the debate, as someone else said, things can always go wrong when you are kiting.
THAT IS WHY WE SHOULDN'T KITE AT CROWDED BEACHES.
ESPECIALLY BONDI WHERE (apart from it already being banned) THERE IS FLOTILLA OF CAMERAS CONSTANTLY SCANNING THE BEACH FOR ANY/EVERY INCIDENT TO BE SCREENED AUST WIDE.
Completely unnecessary, totally selfish, egotistical, brain dead behaviour -4Y
Good luck to NSWKBA & AKSA in their damage control efforts.
I think I am starting to understand what wave slave is on about.....( a worry in its self) but having been in a death loop situation two times now , once due to a line break i got dragged up the beach over some rocks and through a car park. My handle pass loop broke on 1 side and i was being dragged backwards and high speed attached only by my suicide, i could not reach the realease. The kite eventually got caught in a high fence and I survived. The second time my lines looped around my harness hook and it took a super human effort(driven by fear as a 13m kite in 25 knots develops enormous pull in a death loop)to get the lines off the hook and get things under control before I hit the beach.
Do I understand you wavey?, when you are suggesting that there is a design oppurtunity here and in certain conditions it would be safer without being attached to the suicide??????
In most machinery were the torque generated by a machine can cause damage if something goes wrong there is a shear pin or something designed to break automatically. Perhaps something along these lines is needed at say ...200kgs of pull, it would automatically realease.
EVERYONE, PLEASE DONT LISTEN TO WAVESLAVE
Ill give you enough credit to say, yes you are right for saying a safety leash can be dangerous. If I were in your position riding waves on a deserted beach then sure, knock yourself out and dont use your leash. In big waves you would want to ditch the kite completely instead of being tangled up in it when you get smashed by a wave.
On any public beaches it is just reckless, careless and plain stupid not to use a good leash. Flagging your kite should get you out of any bad situation. If it doesnt then pull the QR on your leash.
And just to get the brand war going again; pfr, if Grant was on a rev then this wouldnt have happened in the first place.
Below the bar leash attachment = no dramas
Sure my depower rope does wear after a while but I've given mine a good hiding for half a year and it would easily have a year or 2 life left in it.
Any 5-line kites have excellent flagging systems. 4-line cabrinhas dont seem to be upto this standard because their 100% depower gymic gives people the encouragement of riding suicide.
check out the 4-line rev bar setup. It works basically like a 5-line setup but without the hassle of that extra line.
Don't forget, the suicide leash setup is not a design feature of any kite. As far as I understand it all kites these days are sold with a flagging or depowering leash setup. I'm not sure what the issue with Cabrinhas is since I've never seen one close up, but my point is that suicide leashing is an 'after-market' practice carried out by people wanting their kite to stay powered when they let go of it. It's called 'suicide' for a reason. 
There is no issue with Cabrinhas. Its just when you do actually connect your leash to the flagging system the leash gets tangled and is in the way so most people will ride their cabrinha in 'suicide' mode so the leash is free spinning and doesnt get in the way.
Below the bar leash attachments solved this problem years ago on 5-line kites. Now 4-line kites are adopting this setup.
There are Pros and Cons with every barsetup but in my opinion a good user freindly flagging system is essential.
Waveslave dude, take it easy.
I see your point of view with leashes but surely you can see everyone else's opinion that is is just plain stupid not to use a leash on public beaches.
Learners read these forums and usually believe what is said.
I do agree with you to some degree but surely you have to agree with the rest of us about the dangers of not using a leash.
I could have bagged the crap out of cabrinha but some people like their barsetup. I dont like it and I dont think Cabrinha should be encouraging people to ride suicide. So yah maybe there is an issue with cabrinhas bar setup but i'm opening a can of worms here.
There is every type of bar setup, safety leash, quick release, chicken loops. ect. on the market nowdays. Just remember before you buy to check out these systems and if you dont like them then there is probably a system on the market that you do like.
Guys and girls, please use your leash. Unless your unhooking then dont ride suicide.
Not using your safety leash on public beaches is a bad idea.
If you decide not to use a leash then I hope you have insurance. Although I dont reckon you should be covered.
Its like saying I dont need brake pads in my car. If I ever get into trouble I'll just jump out. Who cares what or who the car crashes into as long as I'm safe.
Well said mate. I reckon we can wrap this discussion up.
Just so long as people recognise the potential dangers of riding suicide, using a leash and not using a leash then everything has been said.
I would strongly recomend that anyone who is not as experienced as waveslave or is riding on a public beach to use their leash.
Waveslave has highlighted the potential dangers of using a safety leash but if you know how your quick release system works and it is in easy reach, then the dangers should be minimised (but still potential).
WAVE SLAVE..
i have not been kiteing as long as alot of people on here but i have been surfing all my life and imo a s bend 3,slim chance(only tech kiteing tricks) im doing(nearly doing) atm are aalot hardeer than a top turn or a nice cut back
I think if your unhooking and trying new tricks like mobes it's ok to ride suiside on non public beaches or far out in the water or at popular kite spots, but if your on a beack like bondi you shouldn't even be kiteing their never alone riding suiside.
!!!!!!!!!!you should be riding on your de-power strap on public beaches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, just had to say this
Ok now lets just watch what bondi says about it on tuesday
Lindsey
Bondi has got a fair bit of sand from waters edge to the wall, more than enough Ok **** time to do something in a despirate situation.
So that means that there are 4 levels of saftey have failed, firstly common sense, secondly the "unlimited depower" , thirdly the going to the "safety leash" and then the safety on the safety leash.
Perhaps a safety on the safety will make a difference and cancell out the requirement for common sense.
My leash is a pain constantly tangling around the chicken loop line after each rotation. So I agree with slave, they are **** and dont work well, but in the interest of not getting bashed after my kite flies down the beach and cleans up some grandma, I untangle it regularly and especially before approaching the beach to land.
I think waveslave has a point, Leashes are dangerous, and without a doubt make kitesurfing more dangerous for the participant.
ie There would most certainly be less deaths in our sport - if people didnt kite with a leash - HOWEVER - a runaway kite is seriously dangerous to innocent bystanders, children, families, etc... For this reason it is the kitesurfers resonsibilty to ensure there is as little chance of this happening as possible, and it that means wearing a leash - then so be it.
At some point - just about every kitesurfer has had to use his leash, and its kept his kite from getting away, with no consequences.
I would say that if we had not been using leashes since the beginning of kitesurfing , there would have been a lot more incidents with runaway kites,
a lot more bans in place, a lot less places to kite , a couple less deaths of kitesurfers......
Yes a leash does make kiting slightly more dangerous - but its part of our responsibilty to other users on the beach. If you are unwilling to accept this resonsibility - then you should not be kiting.
I'd rather hurt myself (knowing full-well the consequences of something going wrong with a leash) than some innocent child (therein being the cause of a bad public view of the kiting community).
If it's the other way around, then karma will get you one day.
Slave, if your anti-leash for what appears to be valid reasons (to an extent), what are your thoughts on fifth line kites then?
Maybe we should start up a new show called kite rescue or Kitewatch (starring pamela anderson, angelina jolie, and jessica alba) and film all those dangerous clubbie skis & out of control boats. Then again maybe just film the girls, I don't like the look of those cossies on the boaties 
slave, i don't care how, what, when or where you ride, its your choice and your stoke. but please stop pretending that what you do is difficult or innovative.
anybody can do what you do. strapped and hooked in to a bow kite in the waves is the easiest, least skilled form of kiting there is.
sorry to break it to you, i know you see yourself as "sowing the seeds of change"
