Anyone got any feedback on this new all terrain foil kite yet?
Not much info on their web site.
ozonekites.com/water?source=rssfeed
They are supposed to be released early April.
check out ozones Facebook. Quite a bit of stuff on new Chrono on there. 12,15 and 18m.
www.facebook.com/ozonekites
They are actually released now and available for dealer to order, ours will arrive soon, they are due to be completed later this week so should be in store by the end of the following week.
There is at least 50% more work/labour involved in making these kites, as well as significantly more material. They are dual terrain though and have a big wind range.
Lots of info starting to get around online about their stunning performance, this kite has been in development for nearly 2.5 years.
Select to expand quoteKitepower Australia said..
They are actually released now and available for dealer to order, ours will arrive soon, they are due to be completed later this week so should be in store by the end of the following week.
There is at least 50% more work/labour involved in making these kites, as well as significantly more material. They are dual terrain though and have a big wind range.
Lots of info starting to get around online about their stunning performance, this kite has been in development for nearly 2.5 years.
Hey steve, Copy and paste this on another forum and get all"Pumped me upted"
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Double skinned kites have had a drop off due to LEI being far cheaper and easier to make, so more R and D. When foil kites get a perfect profile and materals that wont distort the fabriv from day one. they will be what guys use 15 years from now. Winds arent perfect and foils with a more direct feel, or a double skinned foil with a pumped up leading edge, hybrids. Wakestyle... more slack, More stable kite for example....
Select to expand quoteshane75 said..
Also unlike Lei there all terrain, water, land and snow
Well... an lei is actually the most multi-terrian out of all the designs. You can take them onto the land no worries. Plus you have self rescue options on the water.
The problem with foils on the water is there is little or no option for self rescue options.
But there are advantages for set up/pack up and durability of a foil particularly in the bigger sizes in the light winds.
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The problem with foils on the water is there is little or no option for self rescue options.
But there are advantages for set up/pack up and durability of a foil particularly in the bigger sizes in the light winds.
Tsk tsk, you should know better 
on all those points. Self-rescue can be more complex but is totally doable, even if you adopt the LEI method of just floating in with it. They take longer to pack up and aren't as durable as LEIs but in different ways.
I don't see a mixer - has Ozone cracked the bridle shrinkage problem then?
I thought we had covered all the foil self-rescue options in a previous thread. True it can eventually get water logged but in reality that never happens.
I believe the Chrono has kevlar bridles. Kevlar doesn't shrink. It is stronger than dyneema but it can break without warning.
I have never found bridle shrinkage to be a problem on my paragliders. I just restretch the lines from time to time. Unfortunately Ozone don't provide a line plan for any of their kites so we can't make much assessment as to what we are dealing with.
The only problem I can see with the Chrono is it is outrageously, hugely, fu cking expensive!!!!!! A 17m Zephyr complete is $2600. A 15m Chrono is $2999.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Plummet said..
The problem with foils on the water is there is little or no option for self rescue options.
But there are advantages for set up/pack up and durability of a foil particularly in the bigger sizes in the light winds.
Tsk tsk, you should know better on all those points. Self-rescue can be more complex but is totally doable, even if you adopt the LEI method of just floating in with it. They take longer to pack up and aren't as durable as LEIs but in different ways.
I don't see a mixer - has Ozone cracked the bridle shrinkage problem then?
There is no way at all that an inflatable is more durable than a foil. None. Load of crap. If you cant pack a foil faster than an equivalent size lei then you need more experience.
Select to expand quoteGorgo said..
The only problem I can see with the Chrono is it is outrageously, hugely, fu cking expensive!!!!!! A 17m Zephyr complete is $2600. A 15m Chrono is $2999.
Yep! But the Zeph has come down a bit. I can get the 2014 version for under $2000 retail.
Select to expand quoteGorgo said..
I thought we had covered all the foil self-rescue options in a previous thread. True it can eventually get water logged but in reality that never happens.
I believe the Chrono has kevlar bridles. Kevlar doesn't shrink. It is stronger than dyneema but it can break without warning.
I have never found bridle shrinkage to be a problem on my paragliders. I just restretch the lines from time to time. Unfortunately Ozone don't provide a line plan for any of their kites so we can't make much assessment as to what we are dealing with.
The only problem I can see with the Chrono is it is outrageously, hugely, fu cking expensive!!!!!! A 17m Zephyr complete is $2600. A 15m Chrono is $2999.
gorgo ozone do provide bridle plans for lei kites, my aramid bridles have stretched, according to the emailed diagram, as for the zephyr seek and you will find, paid $1700 complete for the current model
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Plummet said..
The problem with foils on the water is there is little or no option for self rescue options.
But there are advantages for set up/pack up and durability of a foil particularly in the bigger sizes in the light winds.
Tsk tsk, you should know better on all those points. Self-rescue can be more complex but is totally doable, even if you adopt the LEI method of just floating in with it. They take longer to pack up and aren't as durable as LEIs but in different ways.
I don't see a mixer - has Ozone cracked the bridle shrinkage problem then?
Chrono bridles are dyneema. Ozone don't use kevlar on their kites although they have tested it. Kevlar is badly affected by UV light. Ozone bridles don't shrink, there is no need for a "mixer".
The Chrono is not for beginners or inexperienced kiters. Its not for wave riders, and not for wakestyle either. If its not in your budget, don't buy it, but don't write if off for that reason, especially since no one in Oz has actually got one of flown one.
Select to expand quoteKitepower Australia said..
Ozone bridles don't shrink, there is no need for a "mixer".
That is the biggest bummer I have heard. No mixer? buggar. That means the flyable life of the kite will be reduced and it will fly****tier and ****tier until its not worth flying any more. Unless you make your own mixer.
Do ozone bridles wear out through the pullies? yes. Do the pullies themselves wear out? yes. Does that mean the kite flies worse as it gets older?
YES.
Does a mixer adjustment help this? YES
In my opinion the single biggest advantage of flysurfer over ozone foils is the mixer. I had hoped they had made their own version for the chrono.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..Kamikuza said..Plummet said..
The problem with foils on the water is there is little or no option for self rescue options.
But there are advantages for set up/pack up and durability of a foil particularly in the bigger sizes in the light winds.
Tsk tsk, you should know better on all those points. Self-rescue can be more complex but is totally doable, even if you adopt the LEI method of just floating in with it. They take longer to pack up and aren't as durable as LEIs but in different ways.
I don't see a mixer - has Ozone cracked the bridle shrinkage problem then?
There is no way at all that an inflatable is more durable than a foil. None. Load of crap. If you cant pack a foil faster than an equivalent size lei then you need more experience.
Really tomahawk your S3 15 and get back to me... I've had one LEI broken from prangs, vs 3 FSers 
Admittedly, the LEI was old and deserved to be ripped in half... but the FSer prongs were nothing more than a borked stunt and a half-wind nosedive. I've routinely done worse with my LEIs and have no issues.
That's on the water... land might be a different thing...
You might need to reseal your foil then... it's a bastard to get the air out when you're rolling it up. Unless, of course, you land it then wander off for a half hour and wait for it to deflate - but that's cheating
Select to expand quoteKitepower Australia said..
Chrono bridles are dyneema. Ozone don't use kevlar on their kites although they have tested it. Kevlar is badly affected by UV light. Ozone bridles don't shrink, there is no need for a "mixer".
The Chrono is not for beginners or inexperienced kiters. Its not for wave riders, and not for wakestyle either. If its not in your budget, don't buy it, but don't write if off for that reason, especially since no one in Oz has actually got one of flown one.
Seriously?
I don't think anyone has used kevlar on non-single line kites since forever for that very reason. Lyros line is dyneema.
All braided dyneema lines shrink. Psst, it's not your front lines stretching...
I just looked long and hard at the images on the web, and there certainly DOES seem to be a mixer after all... hard to tell if it's adjustable at all, but odds are good.
I hope any advice you offer is free, cos that seems to be exactly what it's worth 
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Really tomahawk your S3 15 and get back to me... I've had one LEI broken from prangs, vs 3 FSers Admittedly, the LEI was old and deserved to be ripped in half... but the FSer prongs were nothing more than a borked stunt and a half-wind nosedive. I've routinely done worse with my LEIs and have no issues.
That's on the water... land might be a different thing...
You might need to reseal your foil then... it's a bastard to get the air out when you're rolling it up. Unless, of course, you land it then wander off for a half hour and wait for it to deflate - but that's cheating
Takes me 3 mins to launch from out of the bag and 3 mins to pack up and back in the bah from flying at the zenith.
My experience is exactly opposite to yours. I have thousands of hours under my belt flying foils. I'vw jack hammered them into the ground, surf, water, driftwood. I've crashed them into cars, buildings, barbed wire fence, trees and zero dammage. none. All my foils are and intact with no repairs. The previous once i have owned also no damage.
The lei's on the otherhand. burst when a wave rolls over them, split em in half with a stuffed solo teather lauch. One just burst when i flipped it over on the beach! Plus the tensioned lei slowly tears the stitching out and they wear out so much faster than a foil. every drag launch wears them....
After 10 years of kiting I have not seen once instance where an lei is more robust.
Alvaro already got his Chronos and is double foiling with his Kitefoil Australia Foil and gave me first feedback this morning. He said that the 15m Chrono has same power like the 17m Edge.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..Kamikuza said..
Really tomahawk your S3 15 and get back to me... I've had one LEI broken from prangs, vs 3 FSers Admittedly, the LEI was old and deserved to be ripped in half... but the FSer prongs were nothing more than a borked stunt and a half-wind nosedive. I've routinely done worse with my LEIs and have no issues.
That's on the water... land might be a different thing...
You might need to reseal your foil then... it's a bastard to get the air out when you're rolling it up. Unless, of course, you land it then wander off for a half hour and wait for it to deflate - but that's cheating
Takes me 3 mins to launch from out of the bag and 3 mins to pack up and back in the bah from flying at the zenith.
My experience is exactly opposite to yours. I have thousands of hours under my belt flying foils. I'vw jack hammered them into the ground, surf, water, driftwood. I've crashed them into cars, buildings, barbed wire fence, trees and zero dammage. none. All my foils are and intact with no repairs. The previous once i have owned also no damage.
The lei's on the otherhand. burst when a wave rolls over them, split em in half with a stuffed solo teather lauch. One just burst when i flipped it over on the beach! Plus the tensioned lei slowly tears the stitching out and they wear out so much faster than a foil. every drag launch wears them....
After 10 years of kiting I have not seen once instance where an lei is more robust.
Funny, we've had the opposite experiences I shudder every time I see those guys mega-looping or gliding on Speed3s over snow, I think of my 12 DLX ripping a panel off cos I had the nerve to do a down-loop transition in light wind 
Unless I just have bad luck with 'em or am unknowingly exceedingly ham-fisted...
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Plummet said..Kamikuza said..
Really tomahawk your S3 15 and get back to me... I've had one LEI broken from prangs, vs 3 FSers Admittedly, the LEI was old and deserved to be ripped in half... but the FSer prongs were nothing more than a borked stunt and a half-wind nosedive. I've routinely done worse with my LEIs and have no issues.
That's on the water... land might be a different thing...
You might need to reseal your foil then... it's a bastard to get the air out when you're rolling it up. Unless, of course, you land it then wander off for a half hour and wait for it to deflate - but that's cheating
Takes me 3 mins to launch from out of the bag and 3 mins to pack up and back in the bah from flying at the zenith.
My experience is exactly opposite to yours. I have thousands of hours under my belt flying foils. I'vw jack hammered them into the ground, surf, water, driftwood. I've crashed them into cars, buildings, barbed wire fence, trees and zero dammage. none. All my foils are and intact with no repairs. The previous once i have owned also no damage.
The lei's on the otherhand. burst when a wave rolls over them, split em in half with a stuffed solo teather lauch. One just burst when i flipped it over on the beach! Plus the tensioned lei slowly tears the stitching out and they wear out so much faster than a foil. every drag launch wears them....
After 10 years of kiting I have not seen once instance where an lei is more robust.
Funny, we've had the opposite experiences I shudder every time I see those guys mega-looping or gliding on Speed3s over snow, I think of my 12 DLX ripping a panel off cos I had the nerve to do a down-loop transition in light wind
Unless I just have bad luck with 'em or am unknowingly exceedingly ham-fisted...
I think it comes down to proper adjustments to the mixer. I have two foils - Flysurfer Pysho III and a Montana HQ 5. The FS I need to adjust the mixer almost every 2nd run. She's old but still flies very well and obliterates gusts like a NASA wing. The Montana on the other hand does not have a mixer and so you have to adjust the lines themselves like a LEI. She sometimes collapses entirely in the sky even at zenith when the wind is not consistant enough. In other words she is hungry for wind, unlike the flysurfer kites.
I have to agree with Plums here. Without a mixer it would be incredibly frustrating to keep adjusting lines on the chrono.
Soon we'll have a proper review of it I am sure anyway.
Select to expand quoteINTHELOOP said..
Alvaro already got his Chronos and is double foiling with his Kitefoil Australia Foil and gave me first feedback this morning. He said that the 15m Chrono has same power like the 17m Edge.
I'd swear that Chrono is a rip off of the Zebra Z3 ...
www.zebrakites.com/
Select to expand quoteLoftywinds said..INTHELOOP said..
Alvaro already got his Chronos and is double foiling with his Kitefoil Australia Foil and gave me first feedback this morning. He said that the 15m Chrono has same power like the 17m Edge.
I'd swear that Chrono is a rip off of the Zebra Z3 ...
www.zebrakites.com/
yea right dude. Ozone has been making high performance foils since day one and has got the best designer out there.
Select to expand quoteINTHELOOP said..Loftywinds said..INTHELOOP said..
Alvaro already got his Chronos and is double foiling with his Kitefoil Australia Foil and gave me first feedback this morning. He said that the 15m Chrono has same power like the 17m Edge.
I'd swear that Chrono is a rip off of the Zebra Z3 ...
www.zebrakites.com/
yea right dude. Ozone has been making high performance foils since day one and has got the best designer out there.
Love it, the Ozone guys first in there to bag everything else as a copy and defend it to the death but first mention of a copy by ozone.......
back to reality, the balance of compromises in kite design is so fine that even kites that look the same can easily be very different...lots of things look like copies, reality is they all use the same basic premises and learning's from the evolution of kites over the years, they all "borrow" individual ideas and mix them with there own preferences resulting in two things that may look the "same" but are not..... even little changes in bridles make enormous differences.
Select to expand quoteINTHELOOP said..
Alvaro already got his Chronos and is double foiling with his Kitefoil Australia Foil and gave me first feedback this morning. He said that the 15m Chrono has same power like the 17m Edge.
Wholly farq look at that thing!!! It's a 'wing' alright!!
Make the edge look fat and low aspect!...
I'm guessing only a select few will see the glory in such high aspectedness.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
That is the biggest bummer I have heard. No mixer? buggar. That means the flyable life of the kite will be reduced and it will fly****tier and ****tier until its not worth flying any more. Unless you make your own mixer.
Ozone foils have never had an adjustable "mixer" as you call it. Select to expand quote
Do ozone bridles wear out through the pullies? yes. Do the pullies themselves wear out? yes. Does that mean the kite flies worse as it gets older?
YES.
The line that runs through the pulley, is actually a coated polyester sheathed aramid core, very long lasting, but if it wears, its easily replaced, Pulley wears, replace it
Kites fly marginally less efficiently as they age, fact of life. Would take a hell of a long time to make a kite wear so much that it was not worth flying - quite a silly argument really.Select to expand quote
Does a mixer adjustment help this? YES
In my opinion the single biggest advantage of flysurfer over ozone foils is the mixer. I had hoped they had made their own version for the chrono.
Interesting there is no adjustable mixer on the latest FS foil Speed 4 Lotus kite. The chrono is designed so that it does not need an adjustable mixer, remember Ozone have been making high performance foil wings for longer than any kitesurfing brand has been in business. I've owned several FS kites, very complex designs (overly IMO), fly well in their mid wind range, don't rate the standard cloth kites in low winds or high winds and sold them for that reason as I used them mainly on land in buggies. Much prefer the simpler and lighter Ozone Frenzy design, now the Chrono is here I'll be very keen to give them a run on water and land, but until then everyone commenting here is just speculating and pimping their favourite toy.
Select to expand quoteKitepower Australia said..
...but until then everyone commenting here is just speculating and pimping their favourite toy.
Ouch! 
Select to expand quoteKitepower Australia said..
The line that runs through the pulley, is actually a coated polyester sheathed aramid core, very long lasting, but if it wears, its easily replaced, Pulley wears, replace it
Kites fly marginally less efficiently as they age, fact of life. Would take a hell of a long time to make a kite wear so much that it was not worth flying - quite a silly argument really.
So... Mr kitepower. When was the last time you kept your main kite for longer than 1 season?
Have you ever kept an ozone foil so long that you have to replace the depower rope 4-5 times? the pullies 2-3 times and the pulley bridles 5-6 times?
Have you ever had an ozone depower foil as your one kite quiver for 3 years?
I have.
Have you flown an ozone depower foil for so long, it is so worn it is almost unflyable? To you it seems a silly argument. To me it is what will happen to every foil I buy. IF I buy a chrono I will fly for 4-6 years until it is completely worn out.
Have you owned ozone depower foils back to back with flysurfer foils?
I have.....
I can tell you with out a shadow of a doubt that an adjustable mixer is a big advantage when you plan on keeping a foil for years.
Simply saying that you all you need to do is replace bridles and pullies to make the kite fly well again shows your lack of experience with old worn out foils. As the bridles wear adjustment is need as the pullies wear adjustment is needed. That's what is so good about the mixer you can tweak it as it wears and take your kite back to similar to factory settings.
With no adjustment the kite just flies worse and worse. Until it gets to a point it just randomly falls out of the sky like loftywinds Montana. The exact same thing happened to my Ozone Manta. The same thing will happen to this Chrono. Its the nature of multiple bridles and pullies.
But I guess longevity is not a concern for you as you will be selling up every year and replacing your kites with the latest model.
For us blokes in that top dollar for our kit and have to keep them for a long time it is very important.
oooh interesting review.
board-mag.com
One of the most popular discussions for this season in the foil world is going to be which is best, the Ozone Chrono or the Flysurfer Speed 4 Lotus?
This year both Ozone and Flysurfer have gone for the same sizing options, with Flysurfer also offering a 21m version of the Speed 4 Lotus. Both the Lotus and the Chrono are available in 12m, 15m and 18m sizes which makes back to back testing and quiver building easy between the two. Although both options are relatively high aspect, closed cell depower foils that really is where the comparison ends. Flysurfer and Ozone have both managed to create equally great kites for their chosen markets but for us mere mortal end users the decision on which to buy should be quite easy when flying both together.
After watching other more experienced riders and riding with the Ozone Chrono for a week there is no doubt that the Chrono is one of the fastest kites out there. It dominated the races during the OSKM and Dom has been winning practically every race event he has entered using this kite. For very light wind performance and pure straight line speed the Chrono is going to be on the watch list of many riders. The Chrono is a very solid kite, but is definitely aimed more at the speed freaks rather than general freeride. The hangtime is extremely impressive but the kite seems to pivot more during the turn then keep a more solid power delivery. It will be interesting to see if the buggy market picks up on the Chrono for this season. The Chrono is available with two bar options, a freeride and a race setup. The racing setup is pictured below and gives the ability to depower the kite much easier without having to reach further up the bar.
The Speed 4 Lotus for me remains the freeride favourite. Although still being classed as a high aspect kite it is much lower aspect then the Chrono. It feels tamer and more user friendly whilst still maintaining an incredibly good performance. Because of the profile the Speed 4 seems to behave better on the ground and during inflation. For riders wanting to hit the snow, mountains and beach without needing to be the fastest in a straight line this could be a better option.
I would not be surprised to see a new kite model from either company as the current two offerings do not directly compete with each other. A new higher aspect Speed 4 purely for raw low end power and race kiters and perhaps a closed cell Frenzy/Chrono cross for the more freeride oriented kiters who want to use the same quiver on land and water.
All we can do at this time is recommend you try both out for yourself before handing over your card details. As more demo kites become available in the UK we will be doing some extensive back to back flying to expand on the real world differences in wind range and flight styles.
