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Created by ledzephyrlin > 9 months ago, 4 Oct 2011
Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
7 Oct 2011 10:02PM
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Chook2 said...

The lynch pin looks very neat and tidy, but I agree with Landyacht they usually have a small shoulder on the back of the head that doesn't let them sit flat. This would need correcting to keep the washer flat.

The standard "setup" is 2 times the diameter of the lynch pin of parallel shaft sticking out past the hole, or they are not safe. This doesn't include the chamfer on the end of the shaft.
When we have Ag College audits, by Work Safe, the inspector goes around and make sure all these pins (mainly on 3 point linkage attachments on tractors) comply.
If they don't pass. I have to cut the offending shaft off then and there, with the cordless angle grinder.



So from above info if the lynch pin is 6mm Dia. there needs to be 12+mm past the hole for safety.
By the way the wheels are on a yacht still in construction mode and not yet finished, I just used the axle to show and explain what a lynch pin is, how it works and how simple it was.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
7 Oct 2011 8:43PM
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Gizmo said...

Gizmo said...

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just looking at that image Ive realized that the outer part of the washer is going to rub on the outer edge of the bearing,whilst touching the inner part.
given the slop in that type of bearing you will need to significantly reduce the OD of that washer.
BUT then the washer will have a smaller diameter than the spring part of the clip. basically that setup wont work with a side load on those bearings.
sorry

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
7 Oct 2011 11:24PM
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landyacht said...
just looking at that image Ive realized that the outer part of the washer is going to rub on the outer edge of the bearing,whilst touching the inner part.
given the slop in that type of bearing you will need to significantly reduce the OD of that washer.
BUT then the washer will have a smaller diameter than the spring part of the clip. basically that setup wont work with a side load on those bearings.
sorry




Its virtually the same setup [used R pins then] that I used at Lefroy in I think 1985 (thats the year that Bill Finch and I were well out in front of you) It worked well then.....
Yes the year with screams of protests from the WA clan because Bill and I had used computers to check scaff tube data.





landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
7 Oct 2011 9:02PM
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back in the good old days we were using minsup clips, skinnier washers and bearings that were way better than what you can get out of the bucket today. Ive got 5kg of minsups if anybody needs any
I sailed one of my 85/86 model class 5's last year and it wouldnt keep up with a basic mini now

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
7 Oct 2011 11:38PM
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landyacht said...
I sailed one of my 85/86 model class 5's last year and it wouldnt keep up with a basic mini now


So that means Bills and My Cl5 then would perhaps be equal to a current day standard Mini then, cos you couldn't keep then or was it our early use of "Super Suits"

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
7 Oct 2011 9:46PM
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Gizmo said...

landyacht said...
I sailed one of my 85/86 model class 5's last year and it wouldnt keep up with a basic mini now


So that means Bills and My Cl5 then would perhaps be equal to a current day standard Mini then, cos you couldn't keep then or was it our early use of "Super Suits"



please explain?its getting late

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
8 Oct 2011 12:19AM
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Lycra suits...

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
7 Oct 2011 11:51PM
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Yes Gizmo, 12mm plus the radius on the end, if it has one. This would make the man with the "dark glasses and clipboard" happy.

Please Mr Landyacht, can I have some minsup clips. The last lot you gave me "escaped" on the way home. I got to Norseman and the buggers had gone.

Those tapered drill bits ( 4mm to 26mm multi stage ones) are fantastic for drilling out washers. I use thin 8mm mudgard washers (large outside diameter 32mm) and drill them with this drill bit. Just use the very start of the next step up from 20mm to lightly debur them both sides. Works a treat!!!!

bazl
WA, 700 posts
18 Oct 2011 9:03PM
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Chook2 said...

Wow, that is an outstanding price. I'm impressed!!!!
Will drop by next time I'm in Perth.

I'm crying in my coffee as I organized 21 wheels, 2 weeks ago at much, much more than that price.

Aint that always the case. I'm just gifted.

Many thanks for your reply,
Chook


Make sure you call before you go there Chook. I went there looking for wheels but a certain party or parties have cleaned out all the stock

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
19 Oct 2011 5:51PM
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bazl said...

Chook2 said...

Wow, that is an outstanding price. I'm impressed!!!!
Will drop by next time I'm in Perth.

I'm crying in my coffee as I organized 21 wheels, 2 weeks ago at much, much more than that price.

Aint that always the case. I'm just gifted.

Many thanks for your reply,
Chook


Make sure you call before you go there Chook. I went there looking for wheels but a certain party or parties have cleaned out all the stock

welcome to the modern age. send a PM , buy from your office

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
3 Dec 2011 11:57PM
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Hey "Easyroll" are still doing the wheels for $38 plus GST which is an outstanding price for us guys.

I picked up a huge box full of em, I'd ordered, along with 30 plastic bushes for the steering heads, when I was in Perth last week.

Thanks for your support to landsailing fellas.

grlynch
QLD, 208 posts
4 Dec 2011 8:42AM
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Chook2 said...

Hey "Easyroll" are still doing the wheels for $38 plus GST which is an outstanding price for us guys.

I picked up a huge box full of em, I'd ordered, along with 30 plastic bushes for the steering heads, when I was in Perth last week.

Thanks for your support to landsailing fellas.


More importantly, (for us easterners anyway) How much to freight to the east coast?

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
4 Dec 2011 9:55AM
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grlynch said...

Chook2 said...

Hey "Easyroll" are still doing the wheels for $38 plus GST which is an outstanding price for us guys.

I picked up a huge box full of em, I'd ordered, along with 30 plastic bushes for the steering heads, when I was in Perth last week.

Thanks for your support to landsailing fellas.


More importantly, (for us easterners anyway) How much to freight to the east coast?


The wheels are made in Victoria ? there has to be a high volume dealer on the eastern states.
www.fallshaw.com.au/contact

grlynch
QLD, 208 posts
4 Dec 2011 10:57AM
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Gizmo said...

grlynch said...

Chook2 said...

Hey "Easyroll" are still doing the wheels for $38 plus GST which is an outstanding price for us guys.

I picked up a huge box full of em, I'd ordered, along with 30 plastic bushes for the steering heads, when I was in Perth last week.

Thanks for your support to landsailing fellas.


More importantly, (for us easterners anyway) How much to freight to the east coast?


The wheels are made in Victoria ? there has to be a high volume dealer on the eastern states.
www.fallshaw.com.au/contact




There is, (actually are several) but wheel complete with bearing is $65 at best.

bazl
WA, 700 posts
4 Dec 2011 9:01AM
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grlynch said...

Gizmo said...

grlynch said...

Chook2 said...

Hey "Easyroll" are still doing the wheels for $38 plus GST which is an outstanding price for us guys.

I picked up a huge box full of em, I'd ordered, along with 30 plastic bushes for the steering heads, when I was in Perth last week.

Thanks for your support to landsailing fellas.


More importantly, (for us easterners anyway) How much to freight to the east coast?



Australia Post parcels, about $11 each sent individually

auspost.com.au/parcels-mail/calculate-postage-delivery-times/

iand
QLD, 243 posts
5 Dec 2011 3:13AM
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cisco said...



Considering that sealed precision bearings still get grit in them fairly quickly, cost about $20 each as opposed to deep groove bearings at about $4 each, I do not think it is worth the expense of machining a couple of thou' off the axle tube.



Don't know where you source your bearings but these precision bearings go straight into the fallshaws with no adapters. $5.70+GST=$6.27 If I have any left I give the deep groove bearings away.


Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
5 Dec 2011 10:47AM
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Earlier mentioned were the Large OD Washers between retainer and nut.. I am using Castrated???? Ah, No that is Castellated Nuts and locking pins as well as Bearing spreader between the Bearings on the axle.. What I have found is that once the Nut is locked up tight against the washer and bearing is that after a very short time the Bearing settles down and wears the Washer to suit its situation this along with a little excessive use of INOX or similar fine spraying Lubricant flushes out any sand and grit helping the Precision Beari9g to last longer. Well it works for me.
Ron

Hiko
1229 posts
5 Dec 2011 8:36AM
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The bearings i use on my minis are precision 6204 2RS I take the inner seals out
and they are used with plastic bush adaptors
Shopping around I got some for $2.85 + gst No brand name probably chinese but
they have been OK so far Good in fact There is a huge difference in bearing prices I have found

iand
QLD, 243 posts
5 Dec 2011 12:08PM
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grlynch said...

Chook2 said...

Hey "Easyroll" are still doing the wheels for $38 plus GST which is an outstanding price for us guys.

I picked up a huge box full of em, I'd ordered, along with 30 plastic bushes for the steering heads, when I was in Perth last week.

Thanks for your support to landsailing fellas.


More importantly, (for us easterners anyway) How much to freight to the east coast?

I don't know if the price has changed much but I was paying $44 each for fallshaws ($2 dollars dearer)plus $6.27 for the precision bearings = $50.27 plus you have a spare set of deep groove bearings. no plastic bush adaptors needed



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