Nothing wrong with S&S 39s.
I was merely pointing out design differences that may have an influence on a person's purchase choice.
I am more than happy with my Lotus 9.2. Compared to similar era IOR 30 footers it seems to have a lot more going for it.
Select to expand quoteBundeenabuoy said..EC31 said..Bundeenabuoy said..
This looks interesting.
Please help me find some issues with it.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34-extensive-upgrades-stunning-interior/249056
Engine is old Yanmar 3GMD/20 and is missing the air filter. Otherwise looks great.
Thanks all for your imput.
Its now Under Contract.
I have decided not to proceed with this purchase and am happy with that decision.
Select to expand quoteBundeenabuoy said..Bundeenabuoy said..EC31 said..Bundeenabuoy said..
This looks interesting.
Please help me find some issues with it.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34-extensive-upgrades-stunning-interior/249056
Engine is old Yanmar 3GMD/20 and is missing the air filter. Otherwise looks great.
Thanks all for your imput.
Its now Under Contract.
I have decided not to proceed with this purchase and am happy with that decision.
Are you going ahead with the s&s 39? Where is she going to live?
Select to expand quotesaltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..Bundeenabuoy said..EC31 said..Bundeenabuoy said..
This looks interesting.
Please help me find some issues with it.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34-extensive-upgrades-stunning-interior/249056
Engine is old Yanmar 3GMD/20 and is missing the air filter. Otherwise looks great.
Thanks all for your imput.
Its now Under Contract.
I have decided not to proceed with this purchase and am happy with that decision.
Are you going ahead with the s&s 39? Where is she going to live?
No not proceeding with either purchase.
Select to expand quoteBundeenabuoy said..saltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..Bundeenabuoy said..EC31 said..Bundeenabuoy said..
This looks interesting.
Please help me find some issues with it.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34-extensive-upgrades-stunning-interior/249056
Engine is old Yanmar 3GMD/20 and is missing the air filter. Otherwise looks great.
Thanks all for your imput.
Its now Under Contract.
I have decided not to proceed with this purchase and am happy with that decision.
Are you going ahead with the s&s 39? Where is she going to live?
No not proceeding with either purchase.
Had me all excited :)
Select to expand quotesaltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..saltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..Bundeenabuoy said..EC31 said..Bundeenabuoy said..
This looks interesting.
Please help me find some issues with it.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34-extensive-upgrades-stunning-interior/249056
Engine is old Yanmar 3GMD/20 and is missing the air filter. Otherwise looks great.
Thanks all for your imput.
Its now Under Contract.
I have decided not to proceed with this purchase and am happy with that decision.
Are you going ahead with the s&s 39? Where is she going to live?
No not proceeding with either purchase.
Had me all excited :)
Probably had a couple of sellers all excited too!
Select to expand quoteBundeenabuoy said..Bundeenabuoy said..EC31 said..Bundeenabuoy said..
This looks interesting.
Please help me find some issues with it.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34-extensive-upgrades-stunning-interior/249056
Engine is old Yanmar 3GMD/20 and is missing the air filter. Otherwise looks great.
Thanks all for your imput.
Its now Under Contract.
I have decided not to proceed with this purchase and am happy with that decision.
I shall have to double up on lottery tickets!
Select to expand quoteBushdog said..saltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..saltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..Bundeenabuoy said..EC31 said..Bundeenabuoy said..
This looks interesting.
Please help me find some issues with it.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34-extensive-upgrades-stunning-interior/249056
Engine is old Yanmar 3GMD/20 and is missing the air filter. Otherwise looks great.
Thanks all for your imput.
Its now Under Contract.
I have decided not to proceed with this purchase and am happy with that decision.
Are you going ahead with the s&s 39? Where is she going to live?
No not proceeding with either purchase.
Had me all excited :)
Probably had a couple of sellers all excited too!
Hi Bushdog,
I never made contact with the broker on the first boat.
The photos of the seconds boat were taken eighteen months ago and some were taken earlier than that. Other issues involving the SS-39 and the difficult getting it out of Victoria and other considerations influenced my decision.
Select to expand quoteBundeenabuoy said..Bushdog said..saltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..saltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..Bundeenabuoy said..EC31 said..Bundeenabuoy said..
This looks interesting.
Please help me find some issues with it.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34-extensive-upgrades-stunning-interior/249056
Engine is old Yanmar 3GMD/20 and is missing the air filter. Otherwise looks great.
Thanks all for your imput.
Its now Under Contract.
I have decided not to proceed with this purchase and am happy with that decision.
Are you going ahead with the s&s 39? Where is she going to live?
No not proceeding with either purchase.
Had me all excited :)
Probably had a couple of sellers all excited too!
Hi Bushdog,
I never made contact with the broker on the first boat.
The photos of the seconds boat were taken eighteen months ago and some were taken earlier than that. Other issues involving the SS-39 and the difficult getting it out of Victoria and other considerations influenced my decision.
Isn't it standard yacht selling procedure to mostly use pics from the last century in your listing. Preferably parked near an island or somesuch. Actual pictures showing current state of the vessel are seemingly optional.
Select to expand quoteBundeenabuoy said..Bushdog said..saltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..saltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..Bundeenabuoy said..EC31 said..Bundeenabuoy said..
This looks interesting.
Please help me find some issues with it.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34-extensive-upgrades-stunning-interior/249056
Engine is old Yanmar 3GMD/20 and is missing the air filter. Otherwise looks great.
Thanks all for your imput.
Its now Under Contract.
I have decided not to proceed with this purchase and am happy with that decision.
Are you going ahead with the s&s 39? Where is she going to live?
No not proceeding with either purchase.
Had me all excited :)
Probably had a couple of sellers all excited too!
Hi Bushdog,
I never made contact with the broker on the first boat.
The photos of the seconds boat were taken eighteen months ago and some were taken earlier than that. Other issues involving the SS-39 and the difficult getting it out of Victoria and other considerations influenced my decision.
Looks like they listened to you and have updated the photos
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/sparkman-stephens-39/230425
Still looks like the same bare bones boat. I have heard that prestige boats from before this period have a bit of osmosis. The boat looks solid, but is clearly at the end of a refit cycle.
Out of the prestige S&S 39's that have been for sale, this one seemed to be the most original and it has a lot of appeal.
A
Select to expand quoteMagpieuser said..Bundeenabuoy said..Bushdog said..saltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..saltiest1 said..Bundeenabuoy said..Bundeenabuoy said..EC31 said..Bundeenabuoy said..
This looks interesting.
Please help me find some issues with it.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34-extensive-upgrades-stunning-interior/249056
Engine is old Yanmar 3GMD/20 and is missing the air filter. Otherwise looks great.
Thanks all for your imput.
Its now Under Contract.
I have decided not to proceed with this purchase and am happy with that decision.
Are you going ahead with the s&s 39? Where is she going to live?
No not proceeding with either purchase.
Had me all excited :)
Probably had a couple of sellers all excited too!
Hi Bushdog,
I never made contact with the broker on the first boat.
The photos of the seconds boat were taken eighteen months ago and some were taken earlier than that. Other issues involving the SS-39 and the difficult getting it out of Victoria and other considerations influenced my decision.
Isn't it standard yacht selling procedure to mostly use pics from the last century in your listing. Preferably parked near an island or somesuch. Actual pictures showing current state of the vessel are seemingly optional.
In my opinion, We do everything we can to make our boats look as good as we can before sale, same as a house. Some owners will then use a professional photographer and those fees are $400 up. Some brokers obviously do a better job photographing than others. What is the difference between a house and a boat? Well it much easier to attract buyers to a house than a boat and there are few buyers for boats at the moment.
Would you really be interested and pay top money for a boat that does look good or appears the owner doesn't care about it.
It is also illegal to use photos to misrepresent an object being sold.
Very few have osmosis but from what I've been told it can depend on when glass laid. WA in summer has exceptionally low humidity which is good news in prevention of osmosis but winter can be very high. She certainly looks different with the newer pics! Lot of work there and cost. If you have the time and extra funds it could be worthwhile if a low offer was taken and about 40k to 50k put into her but that's some serious cash for me.
Select to expand quoteBundeenabuoy said..M
In my opinion, We do everything we can to make our boats look as good as we can before sale, same as a house. Some owners will then use a professional photographer and those fees are $400 up. Some brokers obviously do a better job photographing than others. What is the difference between a house and a boat? Well it much easier to attract buyers to a house than a boat and there are few buyers for boats at the moment.
Would you really be interested and pay top money for a boat that does look good or appears the owner doesn't care about it.
It is also illegal to use photos to misrepresent an object being sold.
I still think it's an excellent buy but the new photos show it needs mainsail slugs and a mast gate as well. Still spend $40 on Metal Gleam and sail her away. Not going to be that easy at the moment though with Victoria looking like going to the next stage of COVID lockdown.
Just like overseas a lot of people had to cancel overseas holidays and have gone out and bought yachts instead. This is why a lot of the good buys are snapped up. After this little pandemic is over we are going to be flooded with seconhand yachts from people who don't really like sailing and getting their hands dirty.
Affordable yachts in the sweet spot 30 to 36 feet.
$10,000 drop on the Lotus.
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1985-lotus-10-6/OAG-AD-15581737/?Cr=1
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1986-mottle-33/SSE-AD-4977420/?Cr=25
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1989-van-de-stadt-34/OAG-AD-18914519/?Cr=38
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1985-northshore-33/OAG-AD-18719975/?Cr=39
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/2000-armitage-30/OAG-AD-17511744/?Cr=42
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1983-swarbrick-s99/OAG-AD-19005176/?Cr=49
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1983-dubois-custom/OAG-AD-18589346/?Cr=75
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1982-south-coast-36/OAG-AD-18400011/?Cr=77
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1977-swanson-36-cruising-yacht/SSE-AD-5798173/?Cr=78
A lot of boat here for $18,500
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1976-holland-30/OAG-AD-18720259/?Cr=83
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1985-farr-10-5/OAG-AD-18455516/?Cr=92
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1980-adams-31/SSE-AD-5852338/?Cr=94
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1966-van-de-stadt-black-soo/OAG-AD-18161350/?Cr=97
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1980-bounty-35/OAG-AD-18756287/?Cr=104
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1984-northshore-33/SSE-AD-3913650/?Cr=106
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1978-duncanson-35/OAG-AD-18998794/?Cr=109
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1990-adams-35/OAG-AD-17077419/?Cr=111
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1984-northshore-33/SSE-AD-6259774/?Cr=127
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1970-sparkman-stephens-34/SSE-AD-5768038/?Cr=148
Probably best to wait a few months on looking at Melbourne yachts.
It's a perfect day down here but I'm not even allowed to drive over to Geelong where I keep my boat.
Plenty of time on my hands to browse about online when I should be out sailing...
That is a beautiful Lotus 9.2.
The basic build is the same as my "Apache" but she has, shall we say, the "Fairmont Fit Out".
The timber work is beautiful but it does come at the price of extra displacement as does the electric anchor winch, extra hatches, dorade vents, the alloy dodger coaming, the laid teak in the cockpit and the eutectic fridge system.
At a rough guess I would say she is at least half a tonne more displacement than Apache.
Select to expand quotecisco said..
That is a beautiful Lotus 9.2.
The basic build is the same as my "Apache" but she has, shall we say, the "Fairmont Fit Out".
The timber work is beautiful but it does come at the price of extra displacement as does the electric anchor winch, extra hatches, dorade vents, the alloy dodger coaming, the laid teak in the cockpit and the eutectic fridge system.
At a rough guess I would say she is at least half a tonne more displacement than Apache.
Thanks for the comparison.
What do you estimate the cruising speed under sail and motoring would be?
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And your point is?
I think any discussion about boat weight is useful. I pulled a trailer's worth of junk out of the Top Hat I bought. On a Vega swapping the old Volvo for a 1GM10 and removing 30kg of mildewed charts, dead batteries and worn salt filled 'extra' sails etc raised the waterline 50mm. Carrying the 2x120ah batteries onto my current Cat and fitting solar panels powers the fridge through a hot Oz summer but adds over 100kg to the boat. There's so much stuff for sale and it dribbles onto your boat item by item, but it all adds up. Different boats carry extra weight better than others, but its all mass to be moved through the water and stopped when the jetty is rapidly approaching. Definitely worth talking about!
stopped when the jetty is rapidly approaching.
Not just jetties.
Had a sand bar do the same thing the other day.
No problem, even loaded up I stopped rather fast
gary
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Looks good?
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/lotus-9-2/250454
Lovely interior. Expensive even in NZ dollars and it's in New Zealand. No one is going in or out of New Zealand for a long time.
I hate anchors on the bow, especially when there is an anchor locker. I suspect that Rocna is oversized and wont fit the locker.
Another boat in lock down. 3/4 fibreglass cabin version with ply decks. Needs a tidy up but nothing serious. Fix the cockpit and toss the wheel steering at the same time.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/swanson-32/250592
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What do you estimate the cruising speed under sail and motoring would be?
I get 6 knots out of mine motoring in flat water with the same 2QM 15hp Yanmar as that one has. Under sail she is very easily driven and they are reputed to be good for 9 knots off the wind.
Select to expand quotecisco said..SailMark said..
And your point is?
Bushdog beat me to it.
Hi all,
Please let me know if this is not the right place to ask this. There's a 1989 23ft San Juan yacht moored out front of my place up for sale - $3,000k. It's only posted on FB otherwise I'd share a URL. It comes with 6 spare sails, mooring and 12 months' rego. However, I went to have a look and there's no motor, no trailer, no dinghy and the fouling is terrible. No hatch, no aft cabin door, bilge is full of water and bilge pump is broken, electrics are shot, seagulls and cockroaches have had a field day. He hasn't been on it in two years and he's left the sail on the boom since then. Mast is old, wires are a bit rusty, hull light is smashed, pulpit is missing a bolt etc. It's a big project but I'm up for it.
The seller is not budging on price. As an amateur I'd like to know what someone should reasonably pay for a boat in this condition. My key concern is that I won't know if there's any serious issues until it's been scraped and cleaned. Photo below to give you an idea.
Select to expand quoteBushdog said..SailMark said..
And your point is?
I think any discussion about boat weight is useful. I pulled a trailer's worth of junk out of the Top Hat I bought. On a Vega swapping the old Volvo for a 1GM10 and removing 30kg of mildewed charts, dead batteries and worn salt filled 'extra' sails etc raised the waterline 50mm. Carrying the 2x120ah batteries onto my current Cat and fitting solar panels powers the fridge through a hot Oz summer but adds over 100kg to the boat. There's so much stuff for sale and it dribbles onto your boat item by item, but it all adds up. Different boats carry extra weight better than others, but its all mass to be moved through the water and stopped when the jetty is rapidly approaching. Definitely worth talking about!
This of it this way, say 25kg will sink your boat 1 mm into the water.
250Kg sinks it 10mm so that is an area of water 10mm by the area of your boat on the waterline that has to be moved to go forward.
From memory it takes 26kg to sink a Sydney 38 , 1mm.
Lightness is next to godliness as they used to say.
Just been doing some numbers on a lighter (read carbon rig) and saving 70kg in the rig has the same effect of 450kg on the bulb in terms of righting moment but of course the boat weighs less not more.
pitching moment will also decrease as centre gravity of the rig will be far lower.
Sure the right place to ask this. Link here to the advert www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1524894017692357
See here the SJ23 was first built in 1975 in the US.
sailboatdata.com/sailboat/san-juan-23
The link includes;
The SAN JUAN 23 derived from the more racing oriented SAN JUAN 24. This same design was also built in Australia for a time as the WINDWARD 7 and in Newzealand as the FLEETWOOD 25.
See here link with 2 download links - but to do with the swing keeler not the fixed keeler which I think this one is? Or maybe not as you specifically mention "no trailer".
johncrawfordmarine.com.au/windward-7
You are wise to be cautious. Most sellers put a margin on their listing price to allow for "reasonable" negotiations. If I had to estimate the typical sold price to the listed price of numerous small yachts I have sold it would be 85%. Being negotiable is also a sign of good faith and a 2 way street transaction. Imho it could be worth $3K if it cleans up ok and you were able to do most work yourself, and didn't over-capitalise on expensive electrics and comms, or outboard, or trailer. But as you say if cleaning the hull bottom barnacles off removes bits of gelcoat then the refurb would maybe get out of hand. There are plenty of similar yachts on the market now with negotiable sellers and are presented well.
