Select to expand quoteultrleisure said..
So can an adult sail a holdfast trainer or sabot?
If your not too big yes. With the rig and centreboard they are a bit crowded. The basic hull is the basis of thousands of yacht tenders world wide and they will carry 3 adults but the freeboard will be about 2 inches!
Good sounds like the sort of thing I want, maybe a bit small but easy to move. Of course something slightly longer but no wider would be good too but this sounds ok.
If I put an advert for wanting to buy one, what do you think would be a good price to offer?
Do you know how much difference in weight there is between a wooden version and fibreglass?
Theoretically they should be the same but wood does gain weight faster than fibreglass. Gumtree and EBay are the go, they indicate the real value of boats at the moment. For your intended use $400 would be a bit over the top when 125s and NS14's are going for a carton of beer!
Oh ok, I'll make it less.
Of course prices seem to be higher in SA and there are less boats available.
Still every time I've ever put a wanting to buy ad anywhere no one has ever replied, except once with a boat that was too big.
I spoke too soon lol.
UPDATE
Someone if offering a
"100% complete holdfast trainer fiberglass profesional built many sails,top cover, beach trolley, 20kg hull ready to race yms hull and foils will accept reas offer my kids have all grown to big they now sail bigger boats."
You see plenty of pictures of an adult sailing a sabot but hopefully there is enough room in the holdfast trainer with those thicker sides and the centre board in the centre.
I weigh 95kgs.
Hopefully it doesn't tip if you can only sit on the side, since with the holdfast trainer there wouldn't be room to sit in the middle as you could with the sabot.
What do you all think?
I wonder if outriggers could be added or something else to make it more stable.
How much should I offer?
I think 95 kilos is more suitable for a Finn.
At that size and carrying a crew as well you are going to have to up size your boat requirements. I sailed Holdfast trainers when I was 12. Looks like you will be carrying 120 kilos so something like a Mirror/125/Sabre will be required.
No, only 95kgs (It only has to carry 1 person).
No one else (not 120kgs).
I was just thinking would it tip over with 95kgs on one side and no weight on the other side?
Since with the holdfast trainer it looks like I would have to sit on either the left or the right, where are with the sabot I could sit in the middle to balance the weight.
Also would it tip over even more if I used it without the sail with a trolling motor?
He said he's asking $500 "since it's in very good condition".
What do you all think?
I've been browsing Australia wide to see what sort of things there are that I could advertise wanting to buy.
Would any of these be suitable? (Cheapest to most expensive (budget is about 1k max althought I'd rather spend a lot less))...
mudlark, optimist, flying ant, sunfish, open bic
btw definition of suitable is - 'I can sit on/in it and it won't tip over or sink under my weight of 95kgs and it will move along'.
It's just intended to use at the beach mainly during warm months on calmer days at about 200m+ from the beach.
Also sabot vs holdfast trainer, which would be best?
BTW thanks everyone for all your good advice.
I doubt it, it's too heavy a bit too wide and quite long.
Also they are very expensive.
But it does raise a good point, maybe there is a catamaran which folds up or disassembles for transport.
I saw someone at the beach with one which was sort of like a canoe with a single outrigger and he was disassembling it for transport. It looked like a sailing boat rather than a converted canoe though. Although it was a bit long.
Also how would you add modifications to fibreglass boats, is there a way to add an outrigger or two to one of the smallest sailboats?
Also do you think $500 is too much to pay for a holdfast trainer in good condition with a beach trolley & top cover?
Select to expand quoteultrleisure said..
Also do you think $500 is too much to pay for a holdfast trainer in good condition with a beach trolley & top cover?
$500 is cheap for any complete yacht that sails and has accessories.
Is a wrong decision on the expenditure of $500 going to break the family budget?? Your missus probably spends more than that per annum at the hairdressers.
lol
I just want to make sure it will suit my needs and I won't have to sell it and buy something else.
Do you think for an adult there is room to sit in a holdfast trainer or on the crossbeam there?
I'm slightly worried sitting on the side might make it tilt too much.
Hi, if you are worried about healing I think you should do what other people have suggested and go to a yacht club for lessons and advice.its all about the healing (or tilting) on a mono hull mate.
Yes I can't remember all exact terminology.
I've completed a 2.5 hour sailing lesson lol.
I've only sailed in a pacer which is a lot bigger than a holdfast trainer.
Yes I know about it even if I can't remember the name, my question is more... in a very small boat in very light wind conditions where you do not heal much from the wind on the sail, or without a sail (using a trolling motor), would you then heal too much just from your weight of sitting on the side of the holdfast trainer because it is so small?
Like this (using the boat without the sail) or with the sail if the wind is very light.
Or if you would then is there room for an adult to sit either on the crossbeam or somewhere else in the middle of the boat (holdfast trainer)?
How about an impulse...
from the association website...."The impulse is a controlled one-design dinghy, which allows for individual freedom in the design of mast and rig format. The design suits crew weights from 65-100Kg.
This 4-metre single-handed dinghy is powered by a 6.87m2 fully battened mainsail, set on an over-rotating mast. With a beam of 1.65m the Impulse is easily controlled and comfortable to sail, while having outstanding performance, particularly off wind, when its flat narrow hull makes it very stable and encourages early planning.
The lightweight hull, 47Kg can be constructed of plywood, using stitch and glue techniques or professionally built with FRG and foam sandwich technology. Existing and new plywood boats can now be reinforced with closed cell foam on the floor panels."
Whilst it would be "technically" possible for an adult to fit in such junior classes as flying ant, sabot, holdfast, Opti, bic open etc, you might find that it is a bit tippy for an adult weight and therefore less forgiving despite its small size. (not to mention that it would look proportionately ridiculous) and fitting under the boom would be a challenge followed by spending the rest of the week trying to unfold yourself.
Anyway the impulse nationals are being held this December at Largs Bay S.A. so there are bound to be some locals that can offer you some guidance.
Thanks, it looks very good but beam is too wide for easy car roof transport.
Yes I may well move up to something that's more a proper boat later which is why I don't want to spend too much buying something really small now.
But for a bigger boat I'd have to probably rent some sort of storage, do more training etc. etc.
So I was just looking for a very small boat to take to the beach for now.
I have seen people car top a Laser as well. You need two people probably but they easily fit one or two adults, have 3 different rigs and can probably be found for very cheap.
Would a sabot be a lot roomier and more comfortable for an adult than a holdfast trainer?
You cannot use the words "adult, roomier, comfortable, sabot & holdfast" in the same sentence.
lol, ok
Would the sabot be slightly less uncomfortable and cramped than the holdfast trainer?
In many pictures the sabot doesn't look too uncomfortable, I'm just worried that with the holdfast trainer there wouldn't be room in the middle as there is with the sabot and if you sit on the side it might heal too much.
So it seems with the holdfast trainer when you have to sit in the middle of the boat to balance it you will be very uncomfortable but with the sabot there is more room to sit in the middle but it's more uncomfortable if you have to sit on the sides which are much thinner. I guess with the sabot in light winds you could just sit in the middle the whole time.
So it's difficult to think of what to get if anything at this stage.
You would think there would be more options for a small light sailboat with a small sail.
Has anyone heard of a catamaran which isn't too long, disassembles for transport easily and has a small sail?
It looks good, too bad its in Victoria :(
It looks like the sail is about the same size as some of the sabots, holdfast trainers etc. which is really good.
Still with some of these old boats if anything was damaged I wouldn't really know what to do.
But at least I could add a trolling motor at first and then work it out later.
There is a boat called the mudlark I saw on gumtree (not in sa though).
Is that too small and totally impossible to sail, what if you sat forwards more like a sailing kayak?
