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Created by DrRog > 9 months ago, 4 Oct 2014
LooseChange
NSW, 2140 posts
7 Jun 2016 6:46PM
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Shaggybaxter said..


I spent two years research and spoke to builders all over the world to build the toughest, comfortable and yet still quick 40'ftr boat I could find.
Why wouldn't it survive a 400nm attempt?




I was thinking that the flat bottom of the boat might slam too much in a sea state that is conducive to record breaking runs and cause structural damage. Personally I would be very happy to be wrong in this case, I just love things that go fast. Did you happen to watch that little vid clip, notice the speed?

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2515 posts
7 Jun 2016 6:51PM
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lydia said..
HG02, the plan is to get 4 good drivers and 2 good bowman go out to Cape Moreton and wait for the next good westerly gale.
Set up on starboard gybe and blast out into the Tasman, current assisted, and see how close you get to 400 miles before 24 hours is up.
Shaggy just doesn't know we are borrowing the boat for a few days soon.






Somehow I can't see the Shagster's boat surviving for too long in conditions required to do a 400nm/day run.
Maybe you need to hunt down Beowulf and try with that, Steve and Linda Dashew got very close, I don't know if they managed it.




Geez Loose, that's a bit harsh.
The 12.50 shares the same hull as a Class 40. Vacuum infused, 26mm thick.
Structures have never lost a rig on a 40 or 12.50, and they're all CF.
A 12.50 did a 2700nm cruising race in 10 days 20 hours.
Lots of reports of sustained 20+ knot runs.
A 12.50 did the North West Passage, and the only change was kevlar re-enforcing on the rudders. www.mirandamerron.com/the-beautiful-north/

I spent two years research and spoke to builders all over the world to build the toughest, comfortable and yet still quick 40'ftr boat I could find.
Why wouldn't it survive a 400nm attempt?


I got 14.5knts Max down the east coast of Tassie in 20 to 25 knots in my old Dunc 37 what where you doing Shaggy dragging a bucket?




everything bagged out as far as it could go, minimalist rags up, no sprit sails, angles were for Nav not speed. We weren't going for speed, we were out to settle the boat and the crew in. Baby steps...I'm more than happy to get the miles in first, speed later!

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2515 posts
7 Jun 2016 6:55PM
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LooseChange said...
Shaggybaxter said..


I spent two years research and spoke to builders all over the world to build the toughest, comfortable and yet still quick 40'ftr boat I could find.
Why wouldn't it survive a 400nm attempt?




I was thinking that the flat bottom of the boat might slam too much in a sea state that is conducive to record breaking runs and cause structural damage. Personally I would be very happy to be wrong in this case, I just love things that go fast. Did you happen to watch that little vid clip, notice the speed?




Hi loose, yep, close hauled upwind under short sharp heavy seas she'll slam for sure, uncomfortable but it can handle the pounding.

southace
SA, 4761 posts
7 Jun 2016 6:26PM
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Shaggybaxter said..


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lydia said..
HG02, the plan is to get 4 good drivers and 2 good bowman go out to Cape Moreton and wait for the next good westerly gale.
Set up on starboard gybe and blast out into the Tasman, current assisted, and see how close you get to 400 miles before 24 hours is up.
Shaggy just doesn't know we are borrowing the boat for a few days soon.







Somehow I can't see the Shagster's boat surviving for too long in conditions required to do a 400nm/day run.
Maybe you need to hunt down Beowulf and try with that, Steve and Linda Dashew got very close, I don't know if they managed it.





Geez Loose, that's a bit harsh.
The 12.50 shares the same hull as a Class 40. Vacuum infused, 26mm thick.
Structures have never lost a rig on a 40 or 12.50, and they're all CF.
A 12.50 did a 2700nm cruising race in 10 days 20 hours.
Lots of reports of sustained 20+ knot runs.
A 12.50 did the North West Passage, and the only change was kevlar re-enforcing on the rudders. www.mirandamerron.com/the-beautiful-north/

I spent two years research and spoke to builders all over the world to build the toughest, comfortable and yet still quick 40'ftr boat I could find.
Why wouldn't it survive a 400nm attempt?


I got 14.5knts Max down the east coast of Tassie in 20 to 25 knots in my old Dunc 37 what where you doing Shaggy dragging a bucket?





everything bagged out as far as it could go, minimalist rags up, no sprit sails, we weren't going for speed, we were out to settle the boat and the crew in. Baby steps...I'm more than happy to get the miles in first, speed later!


If you took your Pogo out in the Southern ocean where I have been all weekend working with a gale warning 3 meter swell 2.5 cross seas you would only be doing 4 knots to save your yacht and possible 15 knots surfing waves running for cover !

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2515 posts
7 Jun 2016 6:59PM
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I don't understand South, why? It's built for short handed passage making, those conditions should be ideal??

lydia
1711 posts
7 Jun 2016 5:01PM
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Not sure people here understand the "new world"

lydia
1711 posts
7 Jun 2016 5:04PM
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How fast this thing goes upwind in 40 TWS is just insane for a 40 footer.
VMG through the roof and 110% of the polars from the factory.
Far more impressive than the downhill speed.

Anyone not cruising on of these things needs to get one.
Old cruising is dead.

southace
SA, 4761 posts
7 Jun 2016 7:01PM
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I'm just saying It looks heaps of fun?
2 meter chop in a bay .
In a real gale in a real ocean it wouldn't be safe to fly a hankicheff in that flat bottom girl with 40 to 50 knots! unless your French!

lydia
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7 Jun 2016 5:54PM
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It is not flat when heeled and the boat sure doesn't go with no heel.
That was real revelation, how much heel equals no slam.
Sure you will slam, everything will but this a very different.
Try it!

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
7 Jun 2016 9:41PM
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Shaggybaxter said..

I spent two years research and spoke to builders all over the world to build the toughest, comfortable and yet still quick 40'ftr boat I could find.



That is why you are getting a fantastic pay off with Fusion. I am sure she will handle whatever you ask of her.

Even Joe Adams said that the faster a yacht hull is, the safer it is. If I was in the chips I would have a Pogo 12.5 before a Benny or Jenny any day of the week.

Re the yacht in LCs post doing 27.8 knots. If it is the one I am thinking about it is an alloy built bare shell with just enough fit out for the couple that sail her to be comfortable and has a ketch or schooner rig so as to reduce the size of individual sails to make it easier to handle.

It was specifically designed and built to be a fast passage maker easily handled by the elderly couple that sail her. Below the deck house where they live is a bare shell except for engine, fuel and water tanks. No guest cabins, no luxury saloon, not even any lining.

Quite a brilliant concept really if you want to make fast passages.

Don't have any doubts Shaggy. You have got the right boat for what you want to do. Lydia obviously knows and nobodies opinion is relevant until they have experienced sailing on her. Speaking of which, when is it my turn????

boty
QLD, 685 posts
8 Jun 2016 8:12AM
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lydia said..
It is not flat when heeled and the boat sure doesn't go with no heel.
That was real revelation, how much heel equals no slam.
Sure you will slam, everything will but this a very different.
Try it!


i agree though i love heavy displacement for cruising as there ability to carry payload doesn't slow them down when a ton of supplies are on board i think the pogo style flat bottom rolled chine shape is far superior for light payload racer cruiser and i predict a movement toward this style of hull by the production boat builders as people come to realize the advantages still would not want to be on board one when a front comes through on the way to Hobart

Windjana
WA, 392 posts
8 Jun 2016 6:27AM
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BRIS-VEGAS!!




FreeRadical
WA, 855 posts
8 Jun 2016 8:33AM
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cisco said..

Shaggybaxter said..

I spent two years research and spoke to builders all over the world to build the toughest, comfortable and yet still quick 40'ftr boat I could find.




That is why you are getting a fantastic pay off with Fusion. I am sure she will handle whatever you ask of her.

Even Joe Adams said that the faster a yacht hull is, the safer it is. If I was in the chips I would have a Pogo 12.5 before a Benny or Jenny any day of the week.

Re the yacht in LCs post doing 27.8 knots. If it is the one I am thinking about it is an alloy built bare shell with just enough fit out for the couple that sail her to be comfortable and has a ketch or schooner rig so as to reduce the size of individual sails to make it easier to handle.

It was specifically designed and built to be a fast passage maker easily handled by the elderly couple that sail her. Below the deck house where they live is a bare shell except for engine, fuel and water tanks. No guest cabins, no luxury saloon, not even any lining.

Quite a brilliant concept really if you want to make fast passages.

Don't have any doubts Shaggy. You have got the right boat for what you want to do. Lydia obviously knows and nobodies opinion is relevant until they have experienced sailing on her. Speaking of which, when is it my turn????


setsail.com/beowulf-the-ultimate-short-handed-cruiser-updated-march-2014/

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
8 Jun 2016 12:49PM
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NowandZen said..
BRIS-VEGAS!!






Oh Dear. The pile berths at the Gardens are not one of Brisbane's most attractive features.

So while you are there, if you want a great night out with food, drinks and great music, go to the Brisbane Jazz Club which is just next to the ferry landing at the Story Bridge. You can just about see it from where you are.

andy59
QLD, 1153 posts
8 Jun 2016 1:05PM
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cisco said..

NowandZen said..
BRIS-VEGAS!!






Oh Dear. The pile berths at the Gardens are not one of Brisbane's most attractive features.

So while you are there, if you want a great night out with food, drinks and great music, go to the Brisbane Jazz Club which is just next to the ferry landing at the Story Bridge. You can just about see it from where you are.


Great shot of Brisvegas. On the Pogo argument. I'd have one in a heartbeat.

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
8 Jun 2016 1:10PM
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Thanks for that link FreeRad. It seems they have fitted her out a bit more since I first read about her. The article confirms what I said about having the long hull for speed and the shorter rig with broken up sail areas for ease of handling.

It is easy to see though that with that big deck house there would be enough space for a couple to live comfortably and leave the rest of the hull bare.

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
8 Jun 2016 1:14PM
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Great shot of Brisvegas. On the Pogo argument. I'd have one in a heartbeat.



So would I but I would settle for a friend who owns one and takes me sailing with him.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. A nod is as good as a wink to a blind man.

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2515 posts
8 Jun 2016 9:47PM
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Hi Cisco,
If you can tear yourself away from those sunny climes, you are always welcome.
We were heading out on Sunday as the forecast looks magnificent and I was going to pm Now and Zen to come out whilst he is visiting, but now I have to work all this weekend....grrrrrr.

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
8 Jun 2016 10:06PM
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Thanks Shaggy. I will pm you well in advance for when I am going to be in Brissy next.

Windjana
WA, 392 posts
11 Jun 2016 5:06AM
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Sat out a bit of a rolly night with 8 other yachts at Double Island Point waiting for the tide to get over Wide Bay Bar this morning.
Out of 9 yachts here, 6 are catamarans - I bet they didn't roll as much as me for most of the night!

seabird
QLD, 227 posts
11 Jun 2016 12:37PM
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Great night on the bay, up early for a fish.
Rewarded with a beautiful sunrise and a few fish.






shaggybaxter
QLD, 2515 posts
12 Jun 2016 2:36PM
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33knots TWS at 130 TWA....20 knots SOG, fingertip helm, trying not to bury the nose.
Wahooooooo!!!!

theselkie
QLD, 555 posts
12 Jun 2016 5:34PM
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Hhhmmmppphhh Shaggybaxter....where was my invite hahahaha???

Well done, my friend

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2515 posts
13 Jun 2016 12:22AM
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theselkie said..
Hhhmmmppphhh Shaggybaxter....where was my invite hahahaha???

Well done, my friend




Hi Selkie,
We had 8 on board today so sorry mate!
It was a good day, this is the first time we've had the gennaker up in decent breezes.
It made a difference

Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
13 Jun 2016 1:18AM
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Shaggybaxter said..

theselkie said..
Hhhmmmppphhh Shaggybaxter....where was my invite hahahaha???

Well done, my friend





Hi Selkie,
We had 8 on board today so sorry mate!
It was a good day, this is the first time we've had the gennaker up in decent breezes.
It made a difference



Hi Shaggy

I noticed in your video that you boom bag was hanging down and looked a bit untidy

On the boat i race on we release the lazy jacks, pull them forward (so that they don't interfere with the shape of the sail when it it bagged out) and roll the bag up on itself on each side of the boom and put some velcro straps around the bag and the boom to keep everything tidy as shown in the photo

Not sure whether you are interested in doing this but we find it reduces the amount of loose stuff hanging off the boom

Regards Don








Donk107
TAS, 2446 posts
13 Jun 2016 8:19AM
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Hi Shaggy

I also wanted to say it was a very impressive video

She is really moving along

Regards Don

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2515 posts
13 Jun 2016 9:05AM
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southace said...
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Shaggybaxter said..

LooseChange said..



lydia said..
HG02, the plan is to get 4 good drivers and 2 good bowman go out to Cape Moreton and wait for the next good westerly gale.
Set up on starboard gybe and blast out into the Tasman, current assisted, and see how close you get to 400 miles before 24 hours is up.
Shaggy just doesn't know we are borrowing the boat for a few days soon.






Somehow I can't see the Shagster's boat surviving for too long in conditions required to do a 400nm/day run.
Maybe you need to hunt down Beowulf and try with that, Steve and Linda Dashew got very close, I don't know if they managed it.




Geez Loose, that's a bit harsh.
The 12.50 shares the same hull as a Class 40. Vacuum infused, 26mm thick.
Structures have never lost a rig on a 40 or 12.50, and they're all CF.
A 12.50 did a 2700nm cruising race in 10 days 20 hours.
Lots of reports of sustained 20+ knot runs.
A 12.50 did the North West Passage, and the only change was kevlar re-enforcing on the rudders. www.mirandamerron.com/the-beautiful-north/

I spent two years research and spoke to builders all over the world to build the toughest, comfortable and yet still quick 40'ftr boat I could find.
Why wouldn't it survive a 400nm attempt?


I got 14.5knts Max down the east coast of Tassie in 20 to 25 knots in my old Dunc 37 what where you doing Shaggy dragging a bucket?




There ya go Southace! This is going for speed....

southace
SA, 4761 posts
13 Jun 2016 9:16AM
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I do like your yacht shaggy however I'm happy to just cruise at 6 to 7 in 10 to 12 knots upwind with the Cat Myself and a leg of lamb sizzling away in the oven! We don't like getting all wet!

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2515 posts
13 Jun 2016 3:45PM
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Donk107 said...
Shaggybaxter said..

theselkie said..
Hhhmmmppphhh Shaggybaxter....where was my invite hahahaha???

Well done, my friend





Hi Selkie,
We had 8 on board today so sorry mate!
It was a good day, this is the first time we've had the gennaker up in decent breezes.
It made a difference



Hi Shaggy

I noticed in your video that you boom bag was hanging down and looked a bit untidy

On the boat i race on we release the lazy jacks, pull them forward (so that they don't interfere with the shape of the sail when it it bagged out) and roll the bag up on itself on each side of the boom and put some velcro straps around the bag and the boom to keep everything tidy as shown in the photo

Not sure whether you are interested in doing this but we find it reduces the amount of loose stuff hanging off the boom

Regards Don











Hi Don,
I agree, normally its tucked in and stays in, Sunday was like it was hoovered out, so I think I might tie them in!

shaggybaxter
QLD, 2515 posts
13 Jun 2016 3:48PM
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Hi Southace,
I must admit that sounds rather appealing. I wonder if I can do a lamb ...... :)



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