Results from paddle Imua on Maui today with 135 SUP foilers. um www.pseresults.com/post/paddle-imua-2024
i saw an Insta post today with a race that 400 competitors , was it this one . Those results you posted just had kite and OC1 & 2 or am I ;looking in the wrong spot.
Nah had the SUP foil as well just have to pick SUP foil in the drop down
Best of the Aussies was Perth and James in 7th and Oskar in 8th I think.
Sounded like a pump race mostly
135 Sup foilers took part. Top 20 results below:
1 Spencer, Finn
2 De wilde, Kane
3 Tanas, Edoardo
4 Spencer, Jeffrey
5 Gibbons, Andrew
6 Standlick, Perth
7 Casey, James
8 Ferrer, Guido
9 Schoenherr, Gage
10 Hurley, Brady
11 Colmas, Clement
12 Johansson, Oskar
13 Hagan, Jonathan
14 Fadier, Raiarii
15 McElheny, Mala'e
16 Mateo, Ell
17 Thompson, Kai
18 Lenny, Kai
19 Armstrong, Armie
20 CHARLES, Torea
Nah had the SUP foil as well just have to pick SUP foil in the drop down
Best of the Aussies was Perth and James in 7th and Oskar in 8th I think.
Sounded like a pump race mostly
I have been told Kane won and Finn 2nd so not 100% sure the results are fully correct.
Interesting, is that any indication of what the M2O results are likely to be ? Don't know all the names but looks like Armie did well for an old fulla ?????
It's the shortest course and not a channel crossing. So not exactly a great indicator. But top ten shows who is fast right now.
last year edo got unofficial first in paddle Imua and James got official first place. It counts to your triple crown score though.
Nice one - SUP-foil biggest category, Wing-foil 2nd biggest. Less than 3min between top 10 in SUP foil = very tight. And you know the level has gone up if Kai Lenny is only 18th! Wings quickest, quicker than kite!
Seems like SUP-foil is the new SUP, 10-15 years ago this race was dominated by SUP. Looking forward to hearing what gear is being ridden now.
From what I heard, the finish line was in the water but the tracking ended on the beach.
So the timing is wrong, some riders didn't run on the beach.
Hats off to the women that nailed them races, wow. And give way to the young fellas seems they taken over the DW scene, well done to everyone, especially the Oz team and west Ozzy's.
Flat water pump fest finish is anti climax.
Results: www.pseresults.com/post/molokai-2-oahu-foil-race-2024
Edo first with ave speed of 31.7km/h!
Casey first Australian in 10th, there has definately been a shift in the top-dog leaderboard, it's firmly led by the Hawaiians now.
This race was particularly suited to the Hawaiians who campaigned to have it changed to suit their needs.
also James actually came in 11th.
How was it changed to suit their needs ? I'm assuming its the finish ,so no flat water pumping or upwind was needed, which is where the race has been won or lost in the past.So it's basically just a straight out foil swell riding race now? I guess it's the line you take that matters now ,seems all the top finishers started way up high at Molokai ,whereas the ozzy crew etc where lower down and probably needed to cut across more swell lines even though it was a shorter run as the crow flys ? I'm don't now but I'm guessing someone who does will chime in.
Has anyone compiled a list of what wings finished well in each of the races (say top 20) ? I'd be interested to know what manufacturer could lay claim to best results at this time for this discipline in the conditions on offer. I'm interested to know if the times across the brands show that they all work similarly well, they just come in different colors with different stickers. I know we all have our favourites but I think it would be interesting data to analyse.
Thoughts ?
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This race was particularly suited to the Hawaiians who campaigned to have it changed to suit their needs.
also James actually came in 11th.
To be fair, I think everyone was relieved to not have a 2.5km upwind flat paddle pump at the end, but if you think it was a conspiracy to end Aussie rule, then I'd say straws are clutched. They still had a flat finish and quite a few guys came off foil and lost places (Richard Boudia lost about 20 places....). They also started further up in the wind-line so as to also not have flat pump start.
It's a downwind race of 65km - to have the first or last 2 km's alter the result based on whether guys can pump in flat or get a lucky set wave, doesn't really make sense to me, so if this was the logic of the locals, I'd support that. This course favours whoever is fastest in the bumps which is what we want to see.
Our local boy Nate van Vuuren, (best placed non- Hawaiian, in both Molokai's) was pretty stoked on the new course.
In anticipation of the Triple Crown Overall results - here is the ranking if it was based on the Low-Point Scoring system. The Triple Crown will be decided on combined times, so may differ. Done in a flash, so if there are errors/typo's you have my sincerest.
Triple crown is based off something like. Paddle Imua time PLUS M2M time x 2 PLUS M2O time x3. Edo's GF on the livestream said he just had to finish within 3 minutes of Andrew Gibbons to win the Triple crown. Edo obviously did that by winning M2O. The picture I saw from the awards ceremony was same order as above. Edo, Finn, Andrew.
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Any idea why Kuey wasn't allowed into the country??
An issue with his visa I believe.
I watched what i could with the live streams and it looked like a super fun race besides maybe the start with all the boat wash as that would have sucked if you were caught in that at the back.
32km average is crazy as well and it is unreal to see that foils are getting better and better but this does also bring up some red flags for me and maybe some controversial topics. When I saw Edo win I first thought how good is that he has won a major race like this on stock Fone gear and right now if I wanted to go racing that would have put Fone at the top of the list but then I read that it was a proto wing and might be available next year and then you look harder and maybe most of the top Ten were on proto wings which to me is just crazy and I really struggle to see how this is good for the sport in any way.
For me if I was into the racing side full on it would just kill it for me as it just has no real advantage besides for the one guy who gets the wings. As a brand it pretty much makes zero sense and if we use Fone as the example then why would you go and buy the current Fone DW wings when you know they are not good enough and to get a wing good enough you have to wait until next year. It feels like as brand it would have very little benefit compared to having your rider win on a current wing that you have in production!! now how good would that be and I bet if Edo had won on a current wing that wing would more than likely sell out for all those wanting to be like Edo. Now don't get me wrong just because you might fly the same foil does not make you as good and from what I saw and hear he would always be hard to beat anyway but it does always just make me question it when maybe the playing field is not that level.
I feel the success to really making the DW side grow is to make the average person feel like they might even have a chance and not be beaten before they even line up on the start line. I have been DW foiling for long enough to know the difference wings can make and when I see someone like James Casey get beaten by 12 mins (over 6km) then I question is it skill or just if you are one of the lucky few!!
Of course, no one has done anything wrong and all the brands are all playing well within the rules but maybe there is just a better fairer way that could help the sport of DW foiling grow faster and make everyone feel like they had a chance. In my eyes, all racers would have one simple rule and that is the wing you race on must be in production and available for the general public to buy and have been on the market for at least something like 2 months.
Proto wings are just that and if someone really wants to race on a test wing then they can do so but not in the main division. IMO this would make the racing way better and much tighter and would also make winning a race come right back to skill and talent and not just money and if you are sponsored of the right company at the right time.
I would love to know who was the first rider who was racing full production gear? maybe James?
On my side I am bowing out of making front wings and this race just confirmed things, the money a company has to spend to make a fast wing is crazy and the market is just crazy with wanting to change every 6 months so all I can see is business suicide. For me I am happy making specialized parts like the mast and parts like that that don't change every 2 minutes and I will just buy or ride what I feel is the fastest or best surfing front wings that are compatible with my mast. I do love the development side but I don't love the tipping money into the black hole part
Maybe Fone can send me one of those proto wings and I can review it and see if its that good or if Edo is 
On the other positive side 32km average is so good, I would say some KM's he must have been doing 35k average and as fun as it looked it didn't look like conditions were all time epic so just image if the conditions were fully pumping!! very exciting to see!!
Foiling a 600cm wing as well is great to see done and I know any wings I have tried this small they really struggle to carry when the bumps get small like at the end of that race so unreal to see it pump right to the finish.
Great to see the race start in the wind and finish in the wind, that is how a foil race should be so stoked to see the course change and I bet it will be huge next year!!
ah i'd say the major purchasing power of the market is from guys who don't give two rats ass about racing DW. That applies to winging as well. It's about the stoke of foiling adventures with your mates.
It is the job of the top competitors to push the limits of gear (analogy to cycling a Formula one is apt).
I've only proned the F one eagle 890 and for the record it's a bloody awesome wing.
Yeah average of 32kph is insane and the winning winger had an average of just under of 40kph which is mental . Re the proto foils Jamesy Casey won it last year on a proto 860r but only a few months later it became available to the public . Pretty sure you'll see the same with the other brands . This race is probably the best R&D you'll ever get where you can put your protos up against the best in the world . If a foil does well in this race it's definitely worth putting into production.
Incredible effort by Adam Bennetts to be the first ever to prone foil the race . This will really throw a cat amongst the pigeons . Will it get its own caterogy ? It means you can use shorter and narrower boards which will mean more speed and with the race being changed to the start and finish in the wind line proning it is now much more accessible. Will the foils also change again to suit this . Exciting times . There is already chatter over there about this .
I was watching what I could and have followed this race for years. It is a great race for sure and I only wish I was younger, richer and more skilled so I could have a crack, but it does look like all the kaos with boats at the start could easily make or break it for some.
I believe some of the boats couldn't find there Foiler until the end Surely they could come up with a better way of managing it.
I don't know how exactly but maybe something like have the boats wait at a line a few kms down from the Foiler start line and they can only go when their Foiler has crossed that line so at least the Foilers get a few kms without boat wash to sort themselves out a little bit.
Or I don't know, does anyone have any ideas?
I'm sure competitors must have as a lot complained about the boats
Everyone had trackers so does every competitor really require their own escort boat?
maybe if every competitor had to have the tracker plus a PLB and or a flare or vhf radio or something and a handful of boats do a sweep at the rear of the pack or something.
Also re proning it, I personally don't think it would ever be quicker.
Good on them if they are quicker though, then they wouldn't really need their own class.
