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Rank your foils on a learning curve

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Created by exiled > 9 months ago, 28 Jan 2020
exiled
363 posts
28 Jan 2020 1:18PM
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So a lot of talk has been about performance traits of new foils, speed, pump-ability, etc. Has there been anything that has come out that has been easier to learn on? Of the foils you have ridden, how would you rank them on easy of use?

toppleover
QLD, 2043 posts
28 Jan 2020 8:03PM
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I was talking to a mate about what would have been a good foil to learn on for ourselves the other day (if we could do it over again).
I started foiling prone with an NP size Large & he with Axis 92.

We are both on Axis 900's now & agree that these and possibly other HA foils could be good to learn on.

Reason being for the 900 is they are a pretty stable foil (with a 440 stab) & they have nice gradual lift.

High lift when popping up is what we struggled with when learning (prone) & both have progressed quickly once on 900's.

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
28 Jan 2020 9:19PM
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Armstrong is very stable and allows you to improve out of sight. Cannot recommend them enough.

MidAtlanticFoil
719 posts
29 Jan 2020 2:33AM
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I second Hilly.

I went to Armstrong after Cloud IX's gen1 lineup. (They make great foils and their newer stuff looks sweet)

I definitely progressed a bunch on the Armstrong, as I think they are easier to ride than the older Cloud IX wings. Now that I'm winging, I added the 2400 wing, which is an extremely stable and fun wing. I bet I could even use it in the surf if I adjust the tail lift.

kobo
NSW, 1094 posts
29 Jan 2020 6:15AM
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I'll third that, Armstrong are easy to ride and perform fantastic,I learnt on slingshot infinity 76 and it performed well but was twitchy to ride prone.Ive ridden Naish and they are easy and smooth and good to learn on.

JEG
VIC, 1469 posts
29 Jan 2020 9:22AM
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Yeah, that Armstrong is very stable during my short test ride of the CF1600.
I'm guessing the AXIS setup will be stable as well judging from the majority of the world are using and their everywhere like flies
I don't believe from my experience Gofoil is as stable as those 2 previous brand I mention.

juandesooka
615 posts
29 Jan 2020 7:34AM
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I started kite foiling on an original Carafino, then to stringy (Jim Stringfellow). For SUP/surf foil, started on a Takuma v100 knock off, then to Slingshot, first H4, then H2, then Infinity 84 and 76. Now GoFoil kai/iwa/m200 combo.

I think the industry has matured to the point that all of the brands offer easy to use entry level models. Both my v100 and H4 were big disappointments, way harder to use than the online reviews seemed to imply, then were quickly declared pretty marginal once better models replaced them. But now, other than the Alibaba specials, I suspect you could pick up any brand's basic model and you'd be fine. Similar to kiting after about 2012, all the brands are fairly subtle variations.

That probably doesn't apply to the Gen2 high aspect low profile wings that everyone is now moving too. Those would present a steeper learning curve for a beginner. [how things go full circle, in kiting it was all about high aspect racing wings, then easier surf foils took over, now in surfing it was all about slow stable wings and now faster racy wings are taking over ;-) ]

exiled
363 posts
29 Jan 2020 7:52AM
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What Armstrong foils are you guys using? Is everyone on the 1600?

kobo
NSW, 1094 posts
29 Jan 2020 7:48PM
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I'm using 1550 hs which is easy to ride ,fast and turns on a dime with the 0 shim, also got the the 1200 for bigger days and it handles really nicely too. I would call the 1550 a Mid aspect to look at but it performs really well and easy to ride.

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
29 Jan 2020 6:30PM
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exiled said..
What Armstrong foils are you guys using? Is everyone on the 1600?


1200, 1550, 1600 and 2400. Used 3 different ones the other day. All have their place but the best all round if you only want one is the 1550.

Southby
VIC, 25 posts
29 Jan 2020 10:01PM
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I went from Naish to Armstrong after reading Hilly's review on his Armstrong setup. I started with the 1600 wing and thought it was brilliant to learn on and it really helped progress my foiling. I still remember the first time I rode it and could not believe how stable it was yet easy to turn. I didn't have a fall on my first 8 rides! I then got the 1200 wing but found I could only use it on big days not use it all the time being on a SUP and 85kg

I got the 1550 a week ago and love it! Fast , turns and pumps well, good on bigger days and still find it stable! It's a good progression from the 1600 and I look forward to a new Armstrong wing release in 6-12 mths that will be another step up!

bluewave
43 posts
7 Jun 2020 4:17PM
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I was recommended to start learning on an Axis 900/440 for. Wingfoiling, I got and Axis. 90 and it was slower easier and more stable...

bluewave
43 posts
7 Jun 2020 4:17PM
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I was recommended to start learning on an Axis 900/440 for. Wingfoiling, I got and Axis. 90 and it was slower easier and more stable...

Alysum
NSW, 1030 posts
7 Jun 2020 6:25PM
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bluewave said..
I was recommended to start learning on an Axis 900/440 for. Wingfoiling, I got and Axis. 90 and it was slower easier and more stable...


From another post of yours I believe you mean 920

DavidJohn
VIC, 17462 posts
8 Jun 2020 6:24PM
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hilly said..
Armstrong is very stable and allows you to improve out of sight. Cannot recommend them enough.


Same with my new Naish Jet foils..

Very similar performance to the Armstrong foils but no where near the high price.

kobo
NSW, 1094 posts
8 Jun 2020 7:28PM
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Naish are easy to ride and good for beginners, but Armstrong are definitely worth the price for the extra performance alone ,as well as half the weight and no corrosion etc.

pohaku
NSW, 850 posts
8 Jun 2020 7:32PM
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GoFoil L series. Can't beat it. Then when you upgrade to another wing it's only 1 screw

warwickl
NSW, 2224 posts
8 Jun 2020 7:43PM
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Moses, light, excellent performance, huge choice for all levels.

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
8 Jun 2020 6:32PM
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DavidJohn said..Very similar performance to the Armstrong foils but no where near the high price.


That is laughable.

Camarillo
367 posts
8 Jun 2020 10:43PM
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hilly said..

DavidJohn said..Very similar performance to the Armstrong foils but no where near the high price.

That is laughable.


Do you pay full price Hilly?

tomooh
276 posts
9 Jun 2020 4:10AM
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I started with an early Takuma which was stable and easy and slow then Neil Pryde large which seemed a bit smoother then Armstrong 1600 which feels much the same to me but way more durable. I also tried a slingshot and its probably just my lack of skill but they really don't feel that much different to me even the first Takuma 400 was good. I've just got the Armstrong 1550 with the shorter fuse smaller tail and longer mast and hopefully that will be all I need. I have the smaller 1200 wing but always find it wobbly paddling around and not enough lift Once the wave backs off a bit. I think I prefer to go slower and try to turn more than flat out and feeling too scared to turn! Seems pretty easy to get sucked into the latest hype when what you already have is actually pretty good

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
9 Jun 2020 6:05AM
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Camarillo said..

hilly said..


DavidJohn said..Very similar performance to the Armstrong foils but no where near the high price.


That is laughable.



Do you pay full price Hilly?


Yep worth every cent. No washing just shove in the car. Super strong run into many reefs with no damage. No noise when up on the foil. Top end performance. Only thing I do not like is the big gap from 1550 to 2400 soon to be remedied.

toppleover
QLD, 2043 posts
9 Jun 2020 6:37PM
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hilly said..

Camarillo said..


hilly said..



DavidJohn said..Very similar performance to the Armstrong foils but no where near the high price.



That is laughable.




Do you pay full price Hilly?



Yep worth every cent. No washing just shove in the car. Super strong run into many reefs with no damage. No noise when up on the foil. Top end performance. Only thing I do not like is the big gap from 1550 to 2400 soon to be remedied.


There's also a large gap between 1550 & 1050 that I have heard from a very reliable source will be remedied with a HS1250.

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
9 Jun 2020 6:16PM
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toppleover said..

hilly said..


Camarillo said..



hilly said..




DavidJohn said..Very similar performance to the Armstrong foils but no where near the high price.




That is laughable.





Do you pay full price Hilly?




Yep worth every cent. No washing just shove in the car. Super strong run into many reefs with no damage. No noise when up on the foil. Top end performance. Only thing I do not like is the big gap from 1550 to 2400 soon to be remedied.



There's also a large gap between 1550 & 1050 that I have heard from a very reliable source will be remedied with a HS1250.


The CF1200 is a brilliant wing. Looks like a HS

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
9 Jun 2020 6:23PM
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warwickl said..
Moses, light, excellent performance, huge choice for all levels.


They make some sic foils. Especially their kite foils

toppleover
QLD, 2043 posts
9 Jun 2020 8:25PM
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hilly said..

toppleover said..


hilly said..



Camarillo said..




hilly said..





DavidJohn said..Very similar performance to the Armstrong foils but no where near the high price.





That is laughable.






Do you pay full price Hilly?





Yep worth every cent. No washing just shove in the car. Super strong run into many reefs with no damage. No noise when up on the foil. Top end performance. Only thing I do not like is the big gap from 1550 to 2400 soon to be remedied.




There's also a large gap between 1550 & 1050 that I have heard from a very reliable source will be remedied with a HS1250.



The CF1200 is a brilliant wing. Looks like a HS


That's what I thought (I couldn't see much difference comparing HS1550 to 1200) but apparently there is a big difference in performance !

Piros
QLD, 6996 posts
9 Jun 2020 8:42PM
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Quite a few big brands left out of this tennis match

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
9 Jun 2020 7:47PM
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toppleover said..

hilly said..


toppleover said..



hilly said..




Camarillo said..





hilly said..






DavidJohn said..Very similar performance to the Armstrong foils but no where near the high price.






That is laughable.







Do you pay full price Hilly?






Yep worth every cent. No washing just shove in the car. Super strong run into many reefs with no damage. No noise when up on the foil. Top end performance. Only thing I do not like is the big gap from 1550 to 2400 soon to be remedied.





There's also a large gap between 1550 & 1050 that I have heard from a very reliable source will be remedied with a HS1250.




The CF1200 is a brilliant wing. Looks like a HS



That's what I thought (I couldn't see much difference comparing HS1550 to 1200) but apparently there is a big difference in performance !


Yep smaller and faster.

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
9 Jun 2020 7:49PM
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Piros said..
Quite a few big brands left out of this tennis match


All a bit average

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
9 Jun 2020 7:49PM
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Piros said..
Quite a few big brands left out of this tennis match



All a bit average
tried to delete but no luck. Clunky gui strikes again

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
9 Jun 2020 7:53PM
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F-u-c-k it is exponential when you try to fix the first one. Apologies everyone



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