Select to expand quoteNugdam said..
So does anyone have a comparison of the 8'10 vs the 9'1? Does the little bit narrower width and narrower tail have much impact?
first... @ Tardy and Helmy, and everyone else who posts their thoughts on the Creek.
Thanks for the input, It is really helpful to read everyone's experience with their Creeks, it is a huge resource when someone asks me for a size recommendation. More information, is good information cuz I always strive to get them on the right board.
@Nuggy
I think that a bigger Creek is usually the right call.
The Creek speed pumps down the line from the middle, making it by far, my fastest board. IMO
Long reasoning, cuz all information is relative to individual rider.
At my age, I find there is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to going smaller.
Now that I am 70, I am experiencing more challenge in maintaining solid performance.
If I am "powered up" (meaning no speed loss )
I can stay smooth and carving.
If I have "dead spots" on a wave... too small a board will lose speed and I tend to get "old man wobble"
(picture an old man walking on ice.... whaaaaa......then regaining his footing) 
On my 9'4, I rarely loose my footing
On my 9'1, I don't surf nearly as well in most conditions.
I am not convinced yet if it is size related... or volume related.... but I suspect it is size and "area on the water"
Stats:
Weight I am discussing = 106 kg (I'm down to 100 and dropping now, but these experiences were all at 106 kg)
I will put my weight to volume next to each board size ( 125 L divided by 106 kg = 1.18)
I can surf the 8'10 (1.18) without too much drama, but it lacks smooth carving in average waves
I can surf the 9'1 (1.28) easily, but it has "dead spots" that cause me to "old man wobble"
I can surf the 9'8 (1.4) very easily with smooth carve and solid speed carried through the turns.
Where it will get interesting, is when I get to 96 kg
Then I will be at the exact same w/v ratio on my 9'1 as I was on my 9'4 (1.4)
The difference will be overall width of the board.... with w/v ratios identical at 106 kg and 96 kg
9'4 = 32" wide
9'1 = 31" wide
I'll be the same guy riding, but lighter
so I am very interested to see if the narrower board carries speed though "dead spots", simply because I am lighter.
I am 100% sure, if you are younger.... you have absolutely no idea what the heck I am talking about 
The weight to volume is more of a direct measure for you youngsters
But I suspect that the width (area on the water) plays a bigger role in my performance.
I actually find that my performance is MUCH better on my 9'4 x 32 than my smaller boards.
Speed is power, and my 9'4 "floats" over the water with ease, carrying speed from one turn to the next.
I was without my 9'4 for a few months and felt naked.
Got it back this week and it's like I have been reborn 
Interesting to note:
Yesterday I wore a 5 mm wetsuit with booties (dive suit, all 5mm, no thinner panels or arms)
My 9'4 was just as easy as it is in summer, so more evidence that support width over volume.
AND.... I never feel 32" wide is slower or less capable on hollow waves.... it is my goto DOH wave board.
Bottom line?
as I have always said:
Get a Creek, one size bigger than you think you want
It surfs so easily that a bit bigger adds to performance, not detract from it.
pics of boards I discussed
Great insight as usual STC. Im 98KG and have the 9'1 i dont find any dead spots on waves at all and infact find it works in all conditions OK. It does prefer faster steeper waves where the speed of the board is really noticeable. I was thinking of trying an 8'10 but there arent any demos available here. SO grabbed an 8'5 Surefire Degenerate, I think youll rip on the 9'1 when you get under 100KG.
Select to expand quotesupthecreek said..Nugdam said..
So does anyone have a comparison of the 8'10 vs the 9'1? Does the little bit narrower width and narrower tail have much impact?
first... @ Tardy and Helmy, and everyone else who posts their thoughts on the Creek.
Thanks for the input, It is really helpful to read everyone's experience with their Creeks, it is a huge resource when someone asks me for a size recommendation. More information, is good information cuz I always strive to get them on the right board.
@Nuggy
I think that a bigger Creek is usually the right call.
The Creek speed pumps down the line from the middle, making it by far, my fastest board. IMO
Long reasoning, cuz all information is relative to individual rider.
At my age, I find there is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to going smaller.
Now that I am 70, I am experiencing more challenge in maintaining solid performance.
If I am "powered up" (meaning no speed loss )
I can stay smooth and carving.
If I have "dead spots" on a wave... too small a board will lose speed and I tend to get "old man wobble"
(picture an old man walking on ice.... whaaaaa......then regaining his footing)
On my 9'4, I rarely loose my footing
On my 9'1, I don't surf nearly as well in most conditions.
I am not convinced yet if it is size related... or volume related.... but I suspect it is size and "area on the water"
Stats:
Weight I am discussing = 106 kg (I'm down to 100 and dropping now, but these experiences were all at 106 kg)
I will put my weight to volume next to each board size ( 125 L divided by 106 kg = 1.18)
I can surf the 8'10 (1.18) without too much drama, but it lacks smooth carving in average waves
I can surf the 9'1 (1.28) easily, but it has "dead spots" that cause me to "old man wobble"
I can surf the 9'8 (1.4) very easily with smooth carve and solid speed carried through the turns.
Where it will get interesting, is when I get to 96 kg
Then I will be at the exact same w/v ratio on my 9'1 as I was on my 9'4 (1.4)
The difference will be overall width of the board.... with w/v ratios identical at 106 kg and 96 kg
9'4 = 32" wide
9'1 = 31" wide
I'll be the same guy riding, but lighter
so I am very interested to see if the narrower board carries speed though "dead spots", simply because I am lighter.
I am 100% sure, if you are younger.... you have absolutely no idea what the heck I am talking about
The weight to volume is more of a direct measure for you youngsters
But I suspect that the width (area on the water) plays a bigger role in my performance.
I actually find that my performance is MUCH better on my 9'4 x 32 than my smaller boards.
Speed is power, and my 9'4 "floats" over the water with ease, carrying speed from one turn to the next.
I was without my 9'4 for a few months and felt naked.
Got it back this week and it's like I have been reborn
Interesting to note:
Yesterday I wore a 5 mm wetsuit with booties (dive suit, all 5mm, no thinner panels or arms)
My 9'4 was just as easy as it is in summer, so more evidence that support width over volume.
AND.... I never feel 32" wide is slower or less capable on hollow waves.... it is my goto DOH wave board.
Bottom line?
as I have always said:
Get a Creek, one size bigger than you think you want
It surfs so easily that a bit bigger adds to performance, not detract from it.
pics of boards I discussed
Thankyou for your informative reply! How would you compare the 8'10 speeed if you threw it into the mix?
How does it compare to stability? Obviously the 9'1 creek will be more stable.
Turning ability? Would it be something I can throw around as easy as my 9'1 creek?
If I was to take it out on the glassy days but with smaller fatter swell. Do you think the speed with parallel rails will glide and get onto waves a bit easier/quicker? Surely it would be quicker on the wave being narrow comapred to the 9'1 creek.
Thank for any help!
Nug asked:
"Thank you for your informative reply! How would you compare the 8'10 speeed if you threw it into the mix?
How does it compare to stability? Obviously the 9'1 creek will be more stable.
Turning ability? Would it be something I can throw around as easy as my 9'1 creek?
If I was to take it out on the glassy days but with smaller fatter swell. Do you think the speed with parallel rails will glide and get onto waves a bit easier/quicker? Surely it would be quicker on the wave being narrow comapred to the 9'1 creek"
Creek vs Speeed for stability:
at equal volume, the Creek is a bit more stable
It really depends on what type of surfing you prefer.
The parallel rails of the Speeed are naturally fast, but I prefer the ability to make quick pumps down the line on a board with more rail curve like the Creeks and Acids.... IMO, narrow doesn't compare to quick pumps, for building speed.
You said you only ride from the middle when are in "cruisy" mode, so you may prefer the 8'10 Speeed in low power waves.
Both boards turn really well and I am sure you won't notice a lot of difference because they share the same tail.
It is really up to you, some people prefer the Speeed, some prefer the Creek.
Select to expand quotesupthecreek said..Nugdam said..
So does anyone have a comparison of the 8'10 vs the 9'1? Does the little bit narrower width and narrower tail have much impact?
first... @ Tardy and Helmy, and everyone else who posts their thoughts on the Creek.
Thanks for the input, It is really helpful to read everyone's experience with their Creeks, it is a huge resource when someone asks me for a size recommendation. More information, is good information cuz I always strive to get them on the right board.
@Nuggy
I think that a bigger Creek is usually the right call.
The Creek speed pumps down the line from the middle, making it by far, my fastest board. IMO
Long reasoning, cuz all information is relative to individual rider.
At my age, I find there is a point of diminishing returns when it comes to going smaller.
Now that I am 70, I am experiencing more challenge in maintaining solid performance.
If I am "powered up" (meaning no speed loss )
I can stay smooth and carving.
If I have "dead spots" on a wave... too small a board will lose speed and I tend to get "old man wobble"
(picture an old man walking on ice.... whaaaaa......then regaining his footing)
On my 9'4, I rarely loose my footing
On my 9'1, I don't surf nearly as well in most conditions.
I am not convinced yet if it is size related... or volume related.... but I suspect it is size and "area on the water"
Stats:
Weight I am discussing = 106 kg (I'm down to 100 and dropping now, but these experiences were all at 106 kg)
I will put my weight to volume next to each board size ( 125 L divided by 106 kg = 1.18)
I can surf the 8'10 (1.18) without too much drama, but it lacks smooth carving in average waves
I can surf the 9'1 (1.28) easily, but it has "dead spots" that cause me to "old man wobble"
I can surf the 9'8 (1.4) very easily with smooth carve and solid speed carried through the turns.
Where it will get interesting, is when I get to 96 kg
Then I will be at the exact same w/v ratio on my 9'1 as I was on my 9'4 (1.4)
The difference will be overall width of the board.... with w/v ratios identical at 106 kg and 96 kg
9'4 = 32" wide
9'1 = 31" wide
I'll be the same guy riding, but lighter
so I am very interested to see if the narrower board carries speed though "dead spots", simply because I am lighter.
I am 100% sure, if you are younger.... you have absolutely no idea what the heck I am talking about
The weight to volume is more of a direct measure for you youngsters
But I suspect that the width (area on the water) plays a bigger role in my performance.
I actually find that my performance is MUCH better on my 9'4 x 32 than my smaller boards.
Speed is power, and my 9'4 "floats" over the water with ease, carrying speed from one turn to the next.
I was without my 9'4 for a few months and felt naked.
Got it back this week and it's like I have been reborn
Interesting to note:
Yesterday I wore a 5 mm wetsuit with booties (dive suit, all 5mm, no thinner panels or arms)
My 9'4 was just as easy as it is in summer, so more evidence that support width over volume.
AND.... I never feel 32" wide is slower or less capable on hollow waves.... it is my goto DOH wave board.
Bottom line?
as I have always said:
Get a Creek, one size bigger than you think you want
It surfs so easily that a bit bigger adds to performance, not detract from it.
pics of boards I discussed
supthecreek thanks for this update legend great comparisons of the boards.
i was looking for a 9'1 creek originally im 6ft 83-85kg but at the time there was no 9'1s to demo so ended up with the 8'10 great board
however for my intermediate skill level its also very challenging and would agree with your comments one size up then what you think is great advice and probably the way to go...its great having a smaller board but the constant moving out the back for stability isn't fun after a while its hard work hahahahaha.
totally agree with ya scotty...
i also think its the 31 wide and over 130 litre what makes for a easy ride .
I ride a 125 litre acid @97 kg but since have ordered a 131 litre and 31 wide bigger board for relaxing days .
i reckon you will get use to that 8'10 ,I Reckon i'm lining one up down the line ,
Such a good thread - really diggin' the input from all.
We're heading in to the monsoon season up here in Darwin and I'm keen to get a new board that'll handle the cyclone swells.
My 10'6 Style is sweeet for clean, offshore waves during the Dry Season, but I want something that'll handle a bit of boogie when the cyclone swells start rolling through, like below:
So, I was thinking something short like an 8'6 JL Super Frank at around 140 litres that I can throw around - but now thinking maybe a 9'4 Creek (also around 140 litres - give or take) might be a better option for my 100 kegs. It will give me stability and still get that shortboard response. I dunno. Or a Smik Spitfire.
Struth! Nice problem to have though eh!
Ha! Good on ya Tards'!
I was thinking about the 9'1 but then I read Creekmeister''s sage advice and think the 9'4 step-up might be the way to go.
As you know, we almost never get good quality, long period ground swells making it in to Darwin.
It's (nearly) always the onshore, wind-blown burgers (as per the above pics), so maybe the 9'4 could be the preferred option with good stability and still get some turns in.
The Creek said...
"Bottom line?
...Get a Creek, one size bigger than you think you want
It surfs so easily that a bit bigger adds to performance, not detract from it."
I've been saving my hard-earned and now I'm about that |--| close to ordering the new stick.
Cripes! It's nearly Friday and I reckon I'll find some divine (liquid) guidance tomorrow night. The Triple Crown starts next Monday at Haleiwa and the World Title's up for grabs - can Julian bring it home to OZ?!?
All these are surely good omens for a new Creek (and a cyclone swell to give the bugger a good run on!).
YeeW!!!
Hhhmmmm ..136 litre is still a good size board as far as float goes ..for your weight .
both would be good ...the 9.4 felt a little bigger in the nose ..for me ...but it really depends. What size you need as a step down from your other board ...I was happy with the 8.10 ..as the extra nose Rick put in the creeks made it so much easier to use ,and gave it a lot more stability than the other sunova range in it 125 litre range my 125 acid is way more rocky to ride .. ,it was a great idea .
i love the rocker line of the creek ,taken off the flow design ,but added a extra nose kick ,which I felt the 8,10 flow needed .the flow ,creek rocker line catch waves so easy ...
so you could take a steeper drop on the wave with the extra nose kick .I sure did take some beauties in the Maldives .
And it hung in there .
as all boards you learn to get better on them ...with time riding them ..I never thought ,I 'd be riding as small a board as I ride now ,but have hit my happy volume at 125 litres.acid and 120 flow on good days .for a 97 kg Dude .my soon to be 131 litre black acid will be my step up board...I can't wait for that ....
Select to expand quoteTardy said..
Hhhmmmm ..136 litre is still a good size board as far as float goes ..for your weight .
both would be good ...the 9.4 felt a little bigger in the nose ..for me ...but it really depends. What size you need as a step down from your other board ...I was happy with the 8.10 ..as the extra nose Rick put in the creeks made it so much easier to use ,and gave it a lot more stability than the other sunova range in it 125 litre range my 125 acid is way more rocky to ride .. ,it was a great idea .
i love the rocker line of the creek ,taken off the flow design ,but added a extra nose kick ,which I felt the 8,10 flow needed .the flow ,creek rocker line catch waves so easy ...
so you could take a steeper drop on the wave with the extra nose kick .I sure did take some beauties in the Maldives .
And it hung in there .
as all boards you learn to get better on them ...with time riding them ..I never thought ,I 'd be riding as small a board as I ride now ,but have hit my happy volume at 125 litres.acid and 120 flow on good days .for a 97 kg Dude .my soon to be 131 litre black acid will be my step up board...I can't wait for that ....
Hey man - yeah, definitely agree. I originally had the 9'1 in my sights as I reckon it would/should float me nicely.
But then I was readin' Creek's comment about goin the next size up and made me think the 9'4 would be the better option.
I definitely want my next board to be something I can throw around (was even lookin at the JL Super Frank) - and the 9'4 is not much shorter than my current log (10'6 Style). The Style is pretty massive but gets me into waves easy and I've enjoyed learning how to surf a 'longboard' style, more off the back foot and genuinely 'walkin the plank'.
ive got probably another couple of pays and I'll be ordering the new stick - so I need to make a decision pretty soon!
and yep - that black acid's gonna be siiick mate! How far off before we all get to hear how she goes!?!?
Select to expand quoteTardy said..
Crusin ...on the 8.10
.i know I should of hit that lip .
That's a great photo brus!!!!
yeah mate - I've always struggled with backhand snaps. Matty Wilko I ain't!!!!
MangoDingo said:
"and the 9'4 is not much shorter than my current log (10'6 Style). The Style is pretty massive...."
You are correct, the Style 10'6 is massive, and fills a great need for longboard shapes for the big SUPsters....
However:
the 9'4 Creek is most definitely not at all similar in size.
Not comparable in any way, two entirely different shapes and surfability.
length is only a number..... so much more goes into performance.
I am 100 kg and love my 9'4 creek,real stable and amazing performance,wondered about the 9'1 when I bought it but am stoked on the 9'4,seems I have stopped looking for the magic board because I have found it all conditions,all good,love this board,it is a beauty,highly recommend,feels a lot smaller riding as it is easy to throw around and speed to burn,have ridden in all conditions and you can handle ankle slappers to double overhead,it's a gem
Agree STC ..thats what i told the wife...'length is only a number...so much more goes into performance !!! 
Select to expand quoteTardy said..
Crusin ...on the 8.10
.i know I should of hit that lip .
Nice Tardy ...very nice
Select to expand quotesupthecreek said..
MangoDingo said:
"and the 9'4 is not much shorter than my current log (10'6 Style). The Style is pretty massive...."
You are correct, the Style 10'6 is massive, and fills a great need for longboard shapes for the big SUPsters....
However:
the 9'4 Creek is most definitely not at all similar in size.
Not comparable in any way, two entirely different shapes and surfability.
length is only a number..... so much more goes into performance.
Yeah, definitely agree Creeky. They're chalk and cheese - one's a long, longboard and the other's a performance surf(SUP)board.
Appreciate the point of clarity mate - you're right - you can get caught up in the numbers and completely miss the other, really important factors that go in to surfability.
Cheers cob!
Select to expand quoteragga said..
I am 100 kg and love my 9'4 creek,real stable and amazing performance,wondered about the 9'1 when I bought it but am stoked on the 9'4,seems I have stopped looking for the magic board because I have found it all conditions,all good,love this board,it is a beauty,highly recommend,feels a lot smaller riding as it is easy to throw around and speed to burn,have ridden in all conditions and you can handle ankle slappers to double overhead,it's a gem
Cheers Ragga - good feedback mate. That's exactly what I was wondering - and what I want. Something I can throw around, is fast, and works in all conditions.
Siiicck!!!!
Select to expand quoteMangoDingo said..ragga said..
I am 100 kg and love my 9'4 creek,real stable and amazing performance,wondered about the 9'1 when I bought it but am stoked on the 9'4,seems I have stopped looking for the magic board because I have found it all conditions,all good,love this board,it is a beauty,highly recommend,feels a lot smaller riding as it is easy to throw around and speed to burn,have ridden in all conditions and you can handle ankle slappers to double overhead,it's a gem
Cheers Ragga - good feedback mate. That's exactly what I was wondering - and what I want. Something I can throw around, is fast, and works in all conditions.
Siiicck!!!!
Hey Mango,
I've also had a 9.4 Creek, and an 8.10 Speeed and a 9.2 Speeed.
I reckon at 100kg and coming off a 10.6 Style you would absolutely love the 9.4 Creek. As Mr Creek says it will be chalk and cheese difference from your Style (ridden one of those too) and sounds to me like you are going to be beside yourself with the 9.4's performance and stability.
I am considering selling my Speeeds and Flow and replacing them with a 9.1 Creek (I'm 90kg though)
I say go for the 9.4. I don't think you'll regret it.
Select to expand quoteTardy said..
8,10 ..on a hot day ,
Tards that is a freakin' RAD photo man - that's more like it mate - shreddin' brus!
Select to expand quoteTardy said..
8,10 ..on a hot day ,
Awesome shot!
Love old mate towing the board as well
Select to expand quoteTaoJones said..MangoDingo said..ragga said..
I am 100 kg and love my 9'4 creek,real stable and amazing performance,wondered about the 9'1 when I bought it but am stoked on the 9'4,seems I have stopped looking for the magic board because I have found it all conditions,all good,love this board,it is a beauty,highly recommend,feels a lot smaller riding as it is easy to throw around and speed to burn,have ridden in all conditions and you can handle ankle slappers to double overhead,it's a gem
Cheers Ragga - good feedback mate. That's exactly what I was wondering - and what I want. Something I can throw around, is fast, and works in all conditions.
Siiicck!!!!
Hey Mango,
I've also had a 9.4 Creek, and an 8.10 Speeed and a 9.2 Speeed.
I reckon at 100kg and coming off a 10.6 Style you would absolutely love the 9.4 Creek. As Mr Creek says it will be chalk and cheese difference from your Style (ridden one of those too) and sounds to me like you are going to be beside yourself with the 9.4's performance and stability.
I am considering selling my Speeeds and Flow and replacing them with a 9.1 Creek (I'm 90kg though)
I say go for the 9.4. I don't think you'll regret it.
Hey Tao - cheers man - value your input. I reckon all signs are pointing toward the 9'4 - it's sounding like the go to board.
Cripes! I'm gettin' excited now at the thought- just gotta get me custom spray sorted and look out!!! The Mad Mango's gonna be chargin' !!!!
Yeeeeww!!!
Select to expand quoteNugdam said..Tardy said..
8,10 ..on a hot day ,
Awesome shot!
Love old mate towing the board as well
yeah those two tangled up taking the flash out of action
and had to take a leg rope off to get un stuck ,a big wave came and took Ti's JP
almost to the rocks ,HERES another of the day .
I'm around 95-98kegz and not a great surfer with infrequent sessions. I have the 9"1 creek and it rips took a bit to learn the board but glad I didn't go bigger..
i have just bought a surefire degenerate 8"5 at 135 lt ... wow took it out for first surf in absolute shocking conditions this is a keeper. Super stable, plenty of speed and drive, turns on a dime and took some big late drops I normally wouldn't have survived!!
Now have the perfect 2 board quiver .. 8"5 surefire and 9"1 creek anyone want a cheap 16 8"8 jp wide body ??
Mmm what next ??
Select to expand quotebomberdave said..
I'm around 95-98kegz and not a great surfer with infrequent sessions. I have the 9"1 creek and it rips took a bit to learn the board but glad I didn't go bigger..
i have just bought a surefire degenerate 8"5 at 135 lt ... wow took it out for first surf in absolute shocking conditions this is a keeper. Super stable, plenty of speed and drive, turns on a dime and took some big late drops I normally wouldn't have survived!!
Now have the perfect 2 board quiver .. 8"5 surefire and 9"1 creek anyone want a cheap 16 8"8 jp wide body ??
Mmm what next ??
Cripes- you've just thrown another curve ball into the mix BomberDave... so the 9'1 Creek's a shredder eh mate?
I'm liking the sound of the dim sims on the degenerate- 8'5 @ 135 lits.
Any chance you can chuck some photos up of the Creek and the Degen' for us mate?
Cheers BD -
They look like they'd go well in any conditions and stable.
Thats what I'm after - shortboard manouverability with stability and volume.
Top lookin' stick man - bet you'd be keen for some good waves to get it goin' in.
