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SUP history will be made tomorrow.

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Created by DavidJohn > 9 months ago, 10 Apr 2010
Gorgo
VIC, 4980 posts
13 Apr 2010 12:51PM
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You want a sim card so your mates can call you or so you can call people other than 000.

The other guys would have been going nuts wondering what happened to DJ and whether to call out a rescue.

With a sim card you can call the missing paddler and see if they're alright or how urgent the rescue is or whatever.

LSD
VIC, 763 posts
13 Apr 2010 1:44PM
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You guy's are dreaming if you think your going to use a mobile phone if the sh1t REALLY hit's the fan.
Next time its squalling to 50 + knots go jump in a rough sea & make a call......then answer the questions they ask you.....or should I say .......try.
Do you think anyone will understand what your trying to say above the roar of the wind & sea.

EPIRB...tied to your neck...at least they will find the body.



DavidJohn
VIC, 17452 posts
13 Apr 2010 1:54PM
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I realize now why my phone case failed was because I had it in my front lower pocket of my PFD and right were I was crawling back on my board after each time I fell off.. I didn't expect to be falling so much.. I should have put it in the back pocket with the drink bladder and I'm sure it would have survived ok.. even hanging around my neck and on my chest under my wettie.. Another lesson learned.

DJ

Lobes
885 posts
13 Apr 2010 2:18PM
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oliver said...

PTWoody said...

These water proof soft pouches for iPhones seem to be a bit of a concern in these high impact conditions. Now we've seen the EWA product fail, and I had the OB version fail. Not sure what brand Phill was using.

I'm now using the h-2-o product that straps around your arm. It's endorsed by Michael Phelps and Laird Hamilton and costs about $120 along with another $80 or so for the headphones. Quite a bit more expensive than the soft pouches and I'm not sure yet whether I'm paying for Laird and Phelps' approval or higher quality, but it does appear to be more robust. Time will tell.

One other question though for the experienced watermen... is there adequate mobile phone coverage for all major phone carriers out to Fawkner Beacon?


Leave your iphone in the car and take some old phone that is charged, without a sim card it if you have to. They are more robust than the newer things and you can still call 000 on them if you need to.


These expensive phone cases are a crock. They are overengineered, unreliable and put you in danger. By all means use one but for your own good make sure you put your phone in a condom first. It may just save you. High impact I have surfed head high with them in my pocket and never any problems.

mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
15 Apr 2010 2:34PM
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I've been away and have only just read through all of this. I must be honest here and say that I started getting pretty annoyed after the first page and knew where this was all going to head!

When I heard that the group was going to cross the shipping lanes without a clear plan I started getting a little annoyed. What really did it for me was when it was mentioned that the paddlers arrived at different times. Making a crossing in these conditions without staying together in a buddy system is definately not a good idea! The should never have happened, in my opinion.

When Dale Chapman and I did our Byron to Burleigh paddle we published the safety lessons that we learnt on that trip on this forum. The biggest safety factor that we adopted was never allowing a gap of larger than around 100m from opening up between us. We did that for 70km in rough conditions, so it certainly can be done. We still use this technique today and have been advising everyone to use it on this forum.

Please do not take downwinders lightly! It is only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt/killed out there. The open sea is a very dangerous place so please be as safe as you possibly can.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
15 Apr 2010 2:47PM
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mikeman said...

I've been away and have only just read through all of this. I must be honest here and say that I started getting pretty annoyed after the first page and knew where this was all going to head!

When I heard that the group was going to cross the shipping lanes without a clear plan I started getting a little annoyed. What really did it for me was when it was mentioned that the paddlers arrived at different times. Making a crossing in these conditions without staying together in a buddy system is definately not a good idea! The should never have happened, in my opinion.

When Dale Chapman and I did our Byron to Burleigh paddle we published the safety lessons that we learnt on that trip on this forum. The biggest safety factor that we adopted was never allowing a gap of larger than around 100m from opening up between us. We did that for 70km in rough conditions, so it certainly can be done. We still use this technique today and have been advising everyone to use it on this forum.

Please do not take downwinders lightly! It is only a matter of time before someone gets seriously hurt/killed out there. The open sea is a very dangerous place so please be as safe as you possibly can.



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mikeman
QLD, 692 posts
15 Apr 2010 3:38PM
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I dug up that old posting so that others might also learn from our experience. Here it is if you want to read the full posting www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=48480

Here are some important extracts. Please read them as they may help prevent a fatality out there.

"Here is a list of the Safety Gear used and a few lessons that we learnt:

1. Leg Ropes - We use standard surfboard leg ropes (4-6mm is fine so there’s not too much drag) and attach them to the leach plug at the tail. If you fall off in a big downwind and get separated from your board it can end up cart wheeling away from you and you will be in a bit of trouble.
2. Visibility - We also made both of our boards as brightly coloured as possible. I would advise at least making some part of your board (eg Nose and tail) as bright as you can, just in case you need rescuing. I used safety orange but Day-Glo orange is the way to go for sure. As my board is Orange all over I will be spraying a large black “V” on the bottom deck which will double up as a V sheet. We also spray painted the back of our paddle blades orange which can then be used to attract attention (again use Day-Glo orange). When any paddle got too far ahead of the other (we kept this to a minimum 100m) the front paddler would kneel down with the paddle upright. The orange paddle blade faced the lagging paddler and doubled up as a mini sail. Our clothing was also pretty bright and we will use high reflective attachments next time. It's no good if the rescue people cannot see you. So whatever you come up with make it as easy for these guys to find you.
3. Rescue Services - We contacted all of the relevant VMR (Volunteer Marine Rescue) agencies ahead of our paddle and discussed our route plan with them. On the day we phoned in every few hours (on our mobiles) so that they could monitor our progress. They were very helpful and appreciative of the fact that we tried to make their job of rescuing us as easy as possible.
4. Communication – We had mobile phones on both of the Jet Skis, our land support crew and also 1 for the paddlers. We would probably carry 1 mobile each next time as well as get waterproof VHS radios. We also carried whistles for attracting attention. I was going to bring some kind of high reflective surface (mirror) for attracting attention but did not get around to it – next time for sure.
5. EPIRB - We did not take these (why are they so expensive?) as we did not expect to be far enough offshore to need them. We will probably need to start using them in future. The local law is that you have to use these if more than 2 nautical miles from shore. Our max distance offshore was about 5km which is just on the limit.
6. Support Crews – We had 2 jet skis and 1 land based vehicle. The Jet Skis were very handy as we did not want to have to carry our extra fluids that we figured we would need. They also helped us keep an eye on unwanted friends from the deep. We had experimented with a shark shield on Dales board before but we have not quite worked this out properly. Once we get these worked out we will probably start using these on long paddles through sharky waters.
7. Medical Kit – This is a must have item. Ours included a tourniquet, trauma packs, bandages, a safety blanket, gloves, pain killers and anti histamine.
8. Flares - I would also advise each paddler to carry at least 1 flare (rocket or smoke) but 2 is better. If anyone gets separated from the group and they run into trouble they need to be able to get spotted by the rest of the group or rescue people.
9. Spare Paddle - I fell near Cook Island and actually broke my paddle handle (with about 20km to go). As we had support Jet Skis with us they carried the spare paddle, which was nice for us.
10. Tool kit – This contained a few important tools that could come in handy out to sea, including duck tape. We actually duck taped my broken paddle handle back together and I could use it rather than the spare.
11. Fluids - You should have at least a 3ltr backpack which should last you 6hrs of paddling (1/2 litres per hour). We carried 3 x 3 litre packs each. If you don’t like the back pack type get yourself the bum bag type. Dale and I used different liquids as it is important to find out what works for you. I have been using Endura Electrolyte mix which definitely works for me. I also use Endura Optimizer for recovery (pre and post paddles) assistance.
12. Skins – We both used long leg and long arm “skins”. These are really good for paddling and double up as sun protection clothing. The long legs keep the legs warm and work like a charm. I used the white “Ice” top which is great for keeping you cool (which helps in the hot climate up here) and keeps the sun out.
13. Sun Protection – We used total block out zinc on all of our exposed parts, especially the tops of our feet and face. We tried surfing booties for our feet but did not like them. If we do not find a better system we will stick to the zinc."

".... this clip hopefully shows that we never allowed ourselves to get seperated by more than around 100m during the whole trip. As soon as Dale fell I went onto my knees and put the paddle blade straight up into the air. This would let Dale see where I was even though I might have been down a trough. It also enabled me to keep on moving forward using the wind on the blade face as a small sail."


This paddle was over a year ago and we have learnt a lot of new lessons. When I get time I will add these in.

Be safe out there.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17452 posts
15 Apr 2010 3:45PM
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Thanks Michael.. There's some great points there.

DJ

camo hosk
VIC, 613 posts
15 Apr 2010 10:20PM
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Thanks Mikeman,
missed this when posted before, all great advice there from someone with more downwinder experience than most.
Looking forward to hearing what else your able to add,

cheers,
Camo.



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