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beerssup said..
laceys lane said...
but why use a paddle at that size
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might as well just prone it. you could surf for hours if you wanted too
Maybe because he wants to use a paddle
why do you ride boring as bats siht long boards when you could surf a wave a lot better on a shortboard.
dear beersups I do surf short boards
and longboards and 12'6 sups and dw 
And that's your choice , just like its JeanG choice with a paddle . Who cares what anyone does . as long as your having fun
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said... beerssup said..laceys lane said...
but why use a paddle at that size.
might as well just prone it. you could surf for hours if you wanted too
Maybe because he wants to use a paddlewhy do you ride boring as bats siht long boards when you could surf a wave a lot better on a shortboard.
dear beersups I do surf short boards
and longboards and 12'6 sups and dw
And back in the day very short surf sups, you used to rip on that old 7 foot something blue kiddies board so I don't understand why your bagging guys for riding the same things you were stoked on. Don't get old and bitter live and let live
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laceys lane said...
beerssup said..
laceys lane said...
but why use a paddle at that size.
might as well just prone it. you could surf for hours if you wanted too
Maybe because he wants to use a paddlewhy do you ride boring as bats siht long boards when you could surf a wave a lot better on a shortboard.
dear beersups I do surf short boards
and longboards and 12'6 sups and dw
And back in the day very short surf sups, you used to rip on that old 7 foot something blue kiddies board so I don't understand why your bagging guys for riding the same things you were stoked on. Don't get old and bitter live and let live
its just my opinion now. hey i'm not shooting short sup surfers on sight or anything.
why I even say hello to them if no one else is looking
just a forum and I was having a bit of fun most of the time which seems to be sadly lacking in this room these days
everyone so serious.
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said...beerssup said..laceys lane said... beerssup said..laceys lane said...
but why use a paddle at that size.
might as well just prone it. you could surf for hours if you wanted too
Maybe because he wants to use a paddlewhy do you ride boring as bats siht long boards when you could surf a wave a lot better on a shortboard.
dear beersups I do surf short boards
and longboards and 12'6 sups and dw
And back in the day very short surf sups, you used to rip on that old 7 foot something blue kiddies board so I don't understand why your bagging guys for riding the same things you were stoked on. Don't get old and bitter live and let live
its just my opinion now. hey i'm not shooting short sup surfers on sight or anything.
why I even sat hello to them if no one else is looking
just a forum and I was having a bit of fun most of the time which seems to be sadly lacking in this room these days
everyone so serious.
I feel the same about long boarders say hi as I look down on them on my way past for another set wave poor old buggers!!!
Just jokes people
Stop jokking gents , we are talking seriously about shortSUP
why bother with a paddle on a board under 7'28", because of these first main reasons:
#1 , i cant reach deep water with my little handy aside of the wide board while paddling proned.
#2, i'm paddling for take off timing with full strength of my whole body instead of elbows even if i got surfer's one
#3 i got a moving free fin to catch the wave flow where i want to move this very reactive powerful shortboard , for example as a trailing one when i get an critical curl position
#4 and many more reasons to do it because every day i find something new and enjoyable as Casso shows a sample on his video
Next time I'm up the coast I will come and give you a go on my 6'6 mutant and you will understand that some sups are a whole different kettle of fish.This thing gets a vertical as you can handle and is made to surf the pocket.these days if it don't have a paddle I'm not interested, with a quiver from 14,12,6,10,9'8,7'6 and 6'6 all conditions are covered just fine.
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^^ That's a 7'2". I don't think I could have surfed that wave better on a shortboard, even when I was six years younger and riding a shortboard all the time.
come off it casso two bottom turns and two off the lips and you couldn't do better on a short board pfffft…
mate i don't know you but i believe you could.
if you can do that on a 25+ what ever width while swatting flies at the same time you would kill it on a short board.
Can be
Casso might reply better than i do but i do say that shortboard skill took more than 30 years of practice to hit the level you reckon.
Short SUP is just bubbling by now , younger short boarder will arise surfing with a paddle later on , just a matter of time
but i'm lonely french man to think that
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^^ That's a 7'2". I don't think I could have surfed that wave better on a shortboard, even when I was six years younger and riding a shortboard all the time.
come off it casso two bottom turns and two off the lips and you couldn't do better on a short board pfffft?
mate i don't know you but i believe you could.
if you can do that on a 25+ what ever width while swatting flies at the same time you would kill it on a short board.
Can be
Casso might reply better than i do but i do say that shortboard skill took more than 30 years of practice to hit the level you reckon.
Short SUP is just bubbling by now , younger short boarder will arise surfing with a paddle later on , just a matter of time
but i'm lonely french man to think that
Good topic
At 105 kg and reasonably paddle fit .................i dream of being able to comfortably paddle, float and ride an 8 foot sup less than 30 wide thats not 130 plus liters with rails like large polish sausages
Smaller the board = more energy but with more energy comes more satisfaction. sort of / sometimes / maybe
You know if its really to small when you carnt stand on it
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come off it casso two bottom turns and two off the lips and you couldn't do better on a short board pfffft…
mate i don't know you but i believe you could.
if you can do that on a 25+ what ever width while swatting flies at the same time you would kill it on a short board.
Ohhh maybe, but I really don't remember ever having as much speed on tap, flow, power or (most importantly) fun.
The one area I do find harder (as Goatman eluded to) is barrel riding, especially backhand. But there's not that many good barrel sessions on Sydney beach breaks anyway.
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Good topic
At 105 kg and reasonably paddle fit .................i dream of being able to comfortably paddle, float and ride an 8 foot sup less than 30 wide thats not 130 plus liters with rails like large polish sausages
Smaller the board = more energy but with more energy comes more satisfaction. sort of / sometimes / maybe
You know if its really to small when you carnt stand on it
i think it's a shortboard then
here is something to think about.
why not just paddle out with a 6 ft x 19" shortboard and a 'paddle', paddle into the wave prone then use the paddle to surf with.
the ultimate in short sup.
did some one say don't be silly
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Good luck covering two miles distance with that setup.
actually if you look at those gps surf watches, a mate has one,i have a standard one, you will find you do cover
well in excess for 2 miles everytime you surf regardless for what craft you use
so you don't need good luck.
how do the smug coy green thumbers feel about that now
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JeanG said..
Good luck covering two miles distance with that setup.
actually if you look at those gps surf watches, a mate has one,i have a standard one, you will find you do cover
well in excess for 2 miles everytime you surf regardless for what craft you use
so you don't need good luck.
how do the smug coy green thumbers feel about that now
Two miles plus surfing. Not including.
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Sorry, I just don't get it.
If you have a good size wave, why not surf a short board? I watch guys on short sups and if I see another flat dishpan turn I'm gonna scream.
They can't go rail to rail, they can't go into vertical snaps, they just don't go, (unless you one of the few pro's who can make it look reasonable).
Select to expand quoteAnyone???????
Totally get you on that flat dish pan turn bit! Instead of trying to surf like fat mongoloid shortboarders more SUP riders need to come to the realization the SUP thing is a hybrid paddle sport. If they practice hard enough, they might even learn to use that paddle thing to get their boards on the rail and maybe even carving? Instead of a lesser distant third cousin, SUP surfing might even end up a form in itself?
Oh yeah, I am out of the band, so feel free to throw poo where necissary. I will be comfortably back on my own planet playing with my paddles!
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Look, their are a lot of reasons for me riding a short Sup, 8'6"
1.Feels better
2.Get more excercise paddling around
3.Yeah, also have bad back
4.Sick of sitting there looking at all the other angry short boarders eye to eye
5.See the sets coming earlier, standing up
6.It's more challenging trying to stay upright
7.If I rode something bigger, short boarders would only be angrier
Oh yeah, I still also ride a 6' shorty.........with my kite
OK, good points? If you are going to do it, just try dipping that paddle once every now and then. This is often enough to convince those angry short boarders that you are not crashing their turf and avoid the resulting altercations! Like hey man, this is my thing and I am happy doing the street sweeping bit!
Select to expand quotethePup said..laceys lane said.. beerssup said..laceys lane said...
but why use a paddle at that size.
might as well just prone it. you could surf for hours if you wanted too
Maybe because he wants to use a paddlewhy do you ride boring as bats siht long boards when you could surf a wave a lot better on a shortboard.
dear beersups I do surf short boards
and longboards and 12'6 sups and dw ..... and you are an insatiable animal with too much spare boardcoin in your pockets
"Board coin"
I love it!
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Two miles plus surfing. Not including.
I have a nice outer reef 1 mile offshore.
Went there on my "pointed ends" 8'2" x 27" x 125l . I was hell, I told me "never again", I didnt manage to stay upright for more than 1mn with the chop, backwash...
Last time, went with my Mini-Simmons 6'10" x 30" x 125l. It was as choppy with a cross swell, but had an absolute blast, total session time: 7 hours...
So Lacey, if you meant "Too hard for your level SUP's - Why bother?" I would have agreed with you... but the same could be said for prone surfing, too...
But the length has nothing to do with it, as people are now discovering "en masse" with the Minions.
On the other hand, when surfing breaks close to to parking lot wher it is easy to change boards, using "Too hard for your level SUP's" part of the session is a very good way to progress.
The issue is all to do with how much glide you require for your weight to catch the wave you are riding. (Small large fat or dredging of its dial)
If you ride the smallest lenghted sup that is under volumed , you will always have a pretty late take off and find the draw off the bottom way harder to contend with, even when glassy , as SUP boards sit on the surface.
This combined with a high center of gravity and wind resistant body requires you to paddle as hard as you can to gain forward motion , causing the board to pivot.
But actually in many cases you get drawn backwards ,this makes the short sup board more unstable, often it will / can squirrels side ways on a paddle stroke for a bit before the fins / rail bites,
You are also requiring better quality surf and conditions ..............
When your in this situation on a surfboard you are able to sink the tail into the face and a spring board forward kicking your legs and hands all with a lower center of gravity,
If your constantly, falling off, missing waves , finding your self out of position in upto 15knots with some chop , and you can not chill axe in the line up, out of the surfers face and allowing the surfer in front of you to go , your boards to small dood and why bother 
You gotta get your chicken leg wobbles under control dood your cracking me up
well I surf at a big area wave currumbin alley. you could get a wave at the point and surf down to the twin towers and that would have to be nearly a k
back in the day there was a wider break sups used to own. it always seemed 3,4,5,6 foot. big long rides and big paddle backs. boards were longer, I had a what was considered a bit shorter than. a Gerry lopez ron house 8'10. man the board could run around some huge sections.
you kinda needed the longer boards to get the waves and to paddle back- it was perfect.
then it was cool to start go shorter and shorter to the point where those waves couldn't be caught as easily and you had to be a bit choosy with conditions- lots of water moves around the alley when swell is on.
jacko tells me when its big and he goes out on his gun 9,8 or whatever he's the only one really getting waves
so a healthy scene kind of went backwards. some guys gave it away, lots of us moved onto race boards .
I ran into cmc today . he was out on a 9'2. had a ball he said on the big fat outside waves and rode them through- reminded him of the old days and why he did it.
why we all originally did it
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well I surf at a big area wave currumbin alley. you could get a wave at the point and surf down to the twin towers and that would have to be nearly a k
2mi plus surfing, not including
Paddling back after waves? Paddling to one peak from the beach? That's just part of the surfing experience. We're talking 2mi paddle plus surf.
Don't see too many people on 6' shortboards paddling for 2mi in addition to their surfing.
@Colas - I find that running lower volume ratio (1.1-1.2) on the narrow boards helps mitigate the tippyness. It's a completely different type of stability from the wide or high volume boards. You get a bit of water over the rails to neutralize the twitchiness, then don't fight the movement of it.
I have an 8'2x25@96L that I can barely stand on. But the 7'4x23.75@80L or 7'6x25@84L are much easier. Myself and others can also paddle the prone longboard 8'x22@80L without much problem.
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What do you weight Jean?
I cited ratios, so simply take liters of the board divided by bodyweight in Kg. I weigh 69kg, so my boards of 75L-84L vary in ratio within 1.08-1.22. My boards are also light and I don't wear wetsuits, thus providing a touch more effective volume for me (maybe 1-3L). Also, am 5'11.
Above 90L, a ratio of 1.3, I find boards get corky and unstable for me. This effect goes away once I get over 120L - 1.7 ratio - at which point the corkiness is replaced by rock solid absurd stability.
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Myself and others can also paddle the prone longboard 8'x22@80L without much problem.
8' isn't a longboard. Let's just get that right. You will find the 8' mid length room in limbo
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Two miles plus surfing. Not including.
I have a nice outer reef 1 mile offshore.
Went there on my "pointed ends" 8'2" x 27" x 125l . I was hell, I told me "never again", I didnt manage to stay upright for more than 1mn with the chop, backwash...
Yes, if you have to paddle distances to get to breaks, this is obviously something you must consider when choosing board length. This is pretty much why it would be silly for me to have a stupidly short SUP on the yacht. The great thing about a SUP that paddles well, is that I can anchor off safely away from the break and get over and back without drama.
If I had one, I would be keeping the real short SUP at home and driving it to directly in front of the break in a car. It would be fun and challenging to find a shorter board that goes well.
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I'll define "surfing" as riding a wave on a board.
Simple physics or hydrodynamics or whatever it is that makes 'boards work will show you that for comparable equipment a surfboard will "surf" better that an SUP.
That's why performance sups are getting closer to surfboard size and design, that's where the best performance is.
TC does look better on a surfboard than an sup.
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I'm not talking about the fun factor, wave count or any other reason we ride what we ride. Just the basics of riding a wave.
(Apologies to the dude in the photos for use of pics.)
There you go..... short board is superior... cause the food is not going off in the fridge when he's out surfing! Unless he has a spare door for it?
Sad part is the super short sup movement is over.
It was 2 years ago but some are hanging on to the ego dream where talk isn't about how good someone is , its how short their riding and thats a bit sad
