Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
Sad part is the super short sup movement is over.
It was 2 years ago but some are hanging on to the ego dream where talk isn't about how good someone is , its how short their riding and thats a bit sad
Really and what do you base that gem of wisdom on. You mustn't visit the board talk page much, 20 pages from this topic www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/DEEP-Oceanboards-72-Minion-Review/. What might be happening at Currumbin doesn't speak for the rest of the stand-up world.
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said...
well I surf at a big area wave currumbin alley. you could get a wave at the point and surf down to the twin towers and that would have to be nearly a k
back in the day there was a wider break sups used to own. it always seemed 3,4,5,6 foot. big long rides and big paddle backs. boards were longer, I had a what was considered a bit shorter than. a Gerry lopez ron house 8'10. man the board could run around some huge sections.
you kinda needed the longer boards to get the waves and to paddle back- it was perfect.
then it was cool to start go shorter and shorter to the point where those waves couldn't be caught as easily and you had to be a bit choosy with conditions- lots of water moves around the alley when swell is on.
jacko tells me when its big and he goes out on his gun 9,8 or whatever he's the only one really getting waves
so a healthy scene kind of went backwards. some guys gave it away, lots of us moved onto race boards .
I ran into cmc today . he was out on a 9'2. had a ball he said on the big fat outside waves and rode them through- reminded him of the old days and why he did it.
why we all originally did it
I like this reply from the ranga....
But things have changed since then
For better or worse
We don't know yet
Select to expand quoteLordKuz said...
There you go..... short board is superior... cause the food is not going off in the fridge when he's out surfing! Unless he has a spare door for it?
One cares about the food
What about the beer!!!!!
Select to expand quotebeerssup said...laceys lane said..
Sad part is the super short sup movement is over.
It was 2 years ago but some are hanging on to the ego dream where talk isn't about how good someone is , its how short their riding and thats a bit sad
Really and what do you base that gem of wisdom on. You mustn't visit the board talk page much, 20 pages from this topic www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/DEEP-Oceanboards-72-Minion-Review/. What might be happening at Currumbin doesn't speak for the rest of the stand-up world.
Its not!!!!!! Why didn't someone tell me.
Hell, where's my 7'2starby kiddies board
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..beerssup said...laceys lane said..
Sad part is the super short sup movement is over.
It was 2 years ago but some are hanging on to the ego dream where talk isn't about how good someone is , its how short their riding and thats a bit sad
Really and what do you base that gem of wisdom on. You mustn't visit the board talk page much, 20 pages from this topic www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/Review/DEEP-Oceanboards-72-Minion-Review/. What might be happening at Currumbin doesn't speak for the rest of the stand-up world.
Its not!!!!!! Why didn't someone tell me.
Hell, where's my 7'2starby kiddies board
Go on get it back you know you want too!!
Select to expand quoteCobra said..JeanG said..
Myself and others can also paddle the prone longboard 8'x22@80L without much problem.
8' isn't a longboard. Let's just get that right. You will find the 8' mid length room in limbo
Sorry Cobra, IMO type of boards is not define with only their dimensions. This is combo of rocker , outline thickness , fin set up. Ratios between all those characteristics are making the type of board, in this case JeanG's 8' longboard.
So, i reckon shortSUP is not only a matter of length or buoyancy limit reaching the ratio 1,0. It's combo of design, a set up of characteristics.
To give an example this is a picture of my boards, despite of length 8'9" and 6'9", it seems to me they are both shortboard because the 6'9" is short length but the 8'9" got the max width pull back the center.
Yes! attorney laceys lane
Short SUP is not a crime, but can be obliged to say guilty
Select to expand quoteKami said..
Yes! attorney laceys lane
Short SUP is not a crime, but can be obliged to say guilty
does 'one eyed' mean anything to you
you love it-arguing, probably even more than surfing them - defence lawyer kami
I hereby charge you with crimes against surfing
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..Kami said..
Yes! attorney laceys lane
Short SUP is not a crime, but can be obliged to say guilty
do 'one eye' mean anything to you
you love it-arguing, probably even more than surfing them - defence lawyer kami
Be aware i talk to you with my paddle, later after court's sentence
Select to expand quoteLordKuz said..sgo said..
I'll define "surfing" as riding a wave on a board.
Simple physics or hydrodynamics or whatever it is that makes 'boards work will show you that for comparable equipment a surfboard will "surf" better that an SUP.
That's why performance sups are getting closer to surfboard size and design, that's where the best performance is.
TC does look better on a surfboard than an sup.
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I'm not talking about the fun factor, wave count or any other reason we ride what we ride. Just the basics of riding a wave.
(Apologies to the dude in the photos for use of pics.)
There you go..... short board is superior... cause the food is not going off in the fridge when he's out surfing! Unless he has a spare door for it?
Hey I'm the dude in the picture!!
And don't worry about the food in the fridge, I ate it all before I took the door out for a surf. Just look at my waistline.
But seriously, I've surfed for 40 yrs on a shortboard. (it got stale). Supping is like being reborn into surfing with a new buzz.
Bring on more board development and make them shorter. The sport is progressing.
LMFAO. This thread makes me grin. I tune in every now and then to see how it's going. A storm has just punched the never f'n ending onshore in the neck, so I 'll be taking my 9'6" "short sup" out in the morning to ride some glass. Peace. 
Select to expand quoteteatrea said..
Here is my short sup
That flextail looks sick TT, i bet it rips
Select to expand quoteKami said..laceys lane said..Kami said..
Yes! attorney laceys lane
Short SUP is not a crime, but can be obliged to say guilty
do 'one eye' mean anything to you
you love it-arguing, probably even more than surfing them - defence lawyer kami
Be aware i talk to you with my paddle, later after court's sentence
Hi, lacey. you right i like to arguing for what i love the most.
I want to say that at 60 years old, it's more a handover of knowledge .I wish the best fun to every body whatever the board you ride.
And yes RJK, flex tail rips , only chance to make wide tail's shortSUP dig rails down the wave bottom, i want to die if it does not.
Select to expand quoteJeanG said..
@Colas - I find that running lower volume ratio (1.1-1.2) on the narrow boards helps mitigate the tippyness. It's a completely different type of stability from the wide or high volume boards. You get a bit of water over the rails to neutralize the twitchiness, then don't fight the movement of it.
I have an 8'2x25@96L that I can barely stand on. But the 7'4x23.75@80L or 7'6x25@84L are much easier. Myself and others can also paddle the prone longboard 8'x22@80L without much problem.
Yes, I agree for the lateral stability. What I have problems now with is actually the longitudinal stability (I fall mostly to the rear). I don't know why. Perhaps because I perceive better rolling movements than pitch? Or I am too used to wide-ass Simmons shapes? Or too stiff and resting too much on my heels?
Actually, you may be right and perhaps I need to lower the volume on longer & narrower boards to get a more "continuous" pitch movement.
Select to expand quoteSandsy1 said..
What have I started?????? It's getting bigger than Ben Hur!!
Dont panic its only called big once it hits 6 pages
Select to expand quotecolas said..JeanG said..
@Colas - I find that running lower volume ratio (1.1-1.2) on the narrow boards helps mitigate the tippyness. It's a completely different type of stability from the wide or high volume boards. You get a bit of water over the rails to neutralize the twitchiness, then don't fight the movement of it.
I have an 8'2x25@96L that I can barely stand on. But the 7'4x23.75@80L or 7'6x25@84L are much easier. Myself and others can also paddle the prone longboard 8'x22@80L without much problem.
Yes, I agree for the lateral stability. What I have problems now with is actually the longitudinal stability (I fall mostly to the rear). I don't know why. Perhaps because I perceive better rolling movements than pitch? Or I am too used to wide-ass Simmons shapes? Or too stiff and resting too much on my heels?
Actually, you may be right and perhaps I need to lower the volume on longer & narrower boards to get a more "continuous" pitch movement.
About longitudinal stability see below diagrams. First one is a pointed nose, the second is vanguard style shape. watch the percentage of volume in quarter ends of volumes.
This is the reason of as you call "continuous pitch movement" or why Vangard board are a lot more stable to pitch with narrower width and minimum buoyancy. As well as a lot less row effect.
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..Sandsy1 said..
What have I started?????? It's getting bigger than Ben Hur!!
Dont panic its only called big once it hits 6 pages
Phew. Was getting a bit worried.
There could have been linch mobs after me! 
Select to expand quote perhaps I need to lower the volume on longer & narrower boards to get a more "continuous" pitch movement.
About longitudinal stability see below diagrams. First one is a pointed nose, the second is vanguard style shape. watch the percentage of volume in quarter ends of volumes.
This is the reason of as you call continuous pitch movement or why Vangard board are a lot more stable with narrower width and minimum buoyancy. As well as a lot less row effect.
What the!!!!!!!
I just stand up and catch waves!
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
well I surf at a big area wave currumbin alley. you could get a wave at the point and surf down to the twin towers and that would have to be nearly a k
back in the day there was a wider break sups used to own. it always seemed 3,4,5,6 foot. big long rides and big paddle backs. boards were longer, I had a what was considered a bit shorter than. a Gerry lopez ron house 8'10. man the board could run around some huge sections.
you kinda needed the longer boards to get the waves and to paddle back- it was perfect.
then it was cool to start go shorter and shorter to the point where those waves couldn't be caught as easily and you had to be a bit choosy with conditions- lots of water moves around the alley when swell is on.
jacko tells me when its big and he goes out on his gun 9,8 or whatever he's the only one really getting waves
so a healthy scene kind of went backwards. some guys gave it away, lots of us moved onto race boards .
I ran into cmc today . he was out on a 9'2. had a ball he said on the big fat outside waves and rode them through- reminded him of the old days and why he did it.
why we all originally did it
Have to agree... Yep, best surf I've had for ages... Had the whole outside bank to myself. Take off wide, take off deep, fall off, get back on and catch the next one...
To be honest I really liked the shortboard SUP feel... so much I just chucked the paddle and went back to a 6'2 shorty or 6'4 Fish for fat stuff.
I drove past the Alley, raced home and got my 9'2 as I could see what was happening....... Stayed out for an hour and was exhausted, caught about 20 x 500m long waves, fat, bumpy, rangey, steep sections, fat sections, full fade sections... Everything you can't do on a really short SUP..
I got into SUP originally as it gave me access to waves others didnt have access to... Short SUP in my opinion while being super fun and great for the right clean conditions do not give you access to anything different than my regular shortboards... It's just a choice.
We can't all have 15 boards under the back deck after all.
Select to expand quoteCMC said..laceys lane said..
well I surf at a big area wave currumbin alley. you could get a wave at the point and surf down to the twin towers and that would have to be nearly a k
back in the day there was a wider break sups used to own. it always seemed 3,4,5,6 foot. big long rides and big paddle backs. boards were longer, I had a what was considered a bit shorter than. a Gerry lopez ron house 8'10. man the board could run around some huge sections.
you kinda needed the longer boards to get the waves and to paddle back- it was perfect.
then it was cool to start go shorter and shorter to the point where those waves couldn't be caught as easily and you had to be a bit choosy with conditions- lots of water moves around the alley when swell is on.
jacko tells me when its big and he goes out on his gun 9,8 or whatever he's the only one really getting waves
so a healthy scene kind of went backwards. some guys gave it away, lots of us moved onto race boards .
I ran into cmc today . he was out on a 9'2. had a ball he said on the big fat outside waves and rode them through- reminded him of the old days and why he did it.
why we all originally did it
Have to agree... Yep, best surf I've had for ages... Had the whole outside bank to myself. Take off wide, take off deep, fall off, get back on and catch the next one...
To be honest I really liked the shortboard SUP feel... so much I just chucked the paddle and went back to a 6'2 shorty or 6'4 Fish for fat stuff.
I drove past the Alley, raced home and got my 9'2 as I could see what was happening....... Stayed out for an hour and was exhausted, caught about 20 x 500m long waves, fat, bumpy, rangey, steep sections, fat sections, full fade sections... Everything you can't do on a really short SUP..
I got into SUP originally as it gave me access to waves others didnt have access to... Short SUP in my opinion while being super fun and great for the right clean conditions do not give you access to anything different than my regular shortboards... It's just a choice.
We can't all have 15 boards under the back deck after all.
Someone finally got it!! That's my point.
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
You mean its all over at 5 pages
N?oo?o?ooooooooo?
Yes, now what were you saying about short sup's
Select to expand quoteKami said..colas said..JeanG said..
@Colas - I find that running lower volume ratio (1.1-1.2) on the narrow boards helps mitigate the tippyness. It's a completely different type of stability from the wide or high volume boards. You get a bit of water over the rails to neutralize the twitchiness, then don't fight the movement of it.
I have an 8'2x25@96L that I can barely stand on. But the 7'4x23.75@80L or 7'6x25@84L are much easier. Myself and others can also paddle the prone longboard 8'x22@80L without much problem.
Yes, I agree for the lateral stability. What I have problems now with is actually the longitudinal stability (I fall mostly to the rear). I don't know why. Perhaps because I perceive better rolling movements than pitch? Or I am too used to wide-ass Simmons shapes? Or too stiff and resting too much on my heels?
Actually, you may be right and perhaps I need to lower the volume on longer & narrower boards to get a more "continuous" pitch movement.
About longitudinal stability see below diagrams. First one is a pointed nose, the second is vanguard style shape. watch the percentage of volume in quarter ends of volumes.
This is the reason of as you call "continuous pitch movement" or why Vangard board are a lot more stable to pitch with narrower width and minimum buoyancy. As well as a lot less row effect.
I think it's worth crapping on for 5 pages just to get wheat like this from all that chaff.
Select to expand quoteSandsy1 said.. perhaps I need to lower the volume on longer & narrower boards to get a more "continuous" pitch movement.
About longitudinal stability see below diagrams. First one is a pointed nose, the second is vanguard style shape. watch the percentage of volume in quarter ends of volumes.
This is the reason of as you call continuous pitch movement or why Vangard board are a lot more stable with narrower width and minimum buoyancy. As well as a lot less row effect.
What the!!!!!!!
I just stand up and catch waves!
So, you don't to know reasons why are you standing up so easily on your usual board. You are missing evolution.
Next time you need a paddle, don't buy a technologic carbon paddle just take a wooden one shape with an axe,
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..laceys lane said..
You mean its all over at 5 pages
N?oo?o?ooooooooo?
Yes, now what were you saying about short sup's
Bloody long boarders
