Yes it can be but after a lengthy discussion yesterday it can also be your enemy.
Big boy needs volume little guy not so much,the question is are you fit or at least
paddle fit?
Volume can sure help you catch waves but then what? your up on your feet and
bang your riding an ocean liner,straight away the performance of the over volumed
tanker is there for all to see.
Its a fine line between pleasure and pain.Sounds like a hit song to me
So what are your thourghts oh wise men?
Tux there you go a surfing topic 
and Cobra
Yep, you got it Mac. You need enough to float but too much and you're riding a boat...
This was posted ages ago, good little clip, volume is at about 4.30..
I reckon you need to replace all your boards now
I had those issues with the p germ epoxy- not good
Select to expand quoteMacaha said..
Yes it can be but after a lengthy discussion yesterday it can also be your enemy.
Big boy needs volume little guy not so much,the question is are you fit or at least
paddle fit?
Volume can sure help you catch waves but then what? your up on your feet and
bang your riding an ocean liner,straight away the performance of the over volumed
tanker is there for all to see.
Its a fine line between pleasure and pain.Sounds like a hit song to me
So what are your thourghts oh wise men?
Tux there you go a surfing topic and Cobra
Why do you hate sups so much?
Bugger smileys won't work.
....insert winking smiley here........!
Ok I will play with this one,, I think the golden rule here is in LISTENING TO YOUR SHAPER.
i could say going to a shaping bay, is like going to a brothel .
Just because you go there a lot dont mean your good at it
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Ok I will play with this one,, I think the golden rule here is in LISTENING TO YOUR SHAPER.
So what has been happening the last 20 times Mac went down to McT then
Select to expand quoteTed the Kiwi said..
So what has been happening the last 20 times Mac went down to McT then
Ouch
Select to expand quoteTed the Kiwi said..Cobra said..
Ok I will play with this one,, I think the golden rule here is in LISTENING TO YOUR SHAPER.
So what has been happening the last 20 times Mac went down to McT then
No Ted I was on the phone to them
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Have as little volume as you can get away with.
yep I will go with along with that. volume might you onto them easier...but then you end up like a skipping stone after that
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Have as little volume as you can get away with.
yep I will go with along with that. volume might you onto them easier...but then you end up like a skipping stone after that
well said
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Have as little volume as you can get away with.
yep I will go with along with that. volume might you onto them easier...but then you end up like a skipping stone after that
Where the volume is, is important 2 IMO.
Take a nose rider all the volume up front makes them get into waves easy but then you stuck if you want to do a proper turn cause that heavy wide nose won't swing and is likely to catch an edge when you try and turn it with any real force.
Same as getting rid off the volume out of the rails, I don't mind volume but I always look to make sure the rails arent boxy cause I know as I light weight I don't have the leg strength or weight to sink them into a turn.
I like the volume in my boards under my chest area and try to keep the nose and tail reasonably thin and pulled in.
Select to expand quoteSP said..chrispy said...smh said..
Have as little volume as you can get away with.
yep I will go with along with that. volume might you onto them easier...but then you end up like a skipping stone after that
Where the volume is, is important 2 IMO.
Take a nose rider all the volume up front makes them get into waves easy but then you stuck if you want to do a proper turn cause that heavy wide nose won't swing and is likely to catch an edge when you try and turn it with any real force.
Same as getting rid off the volume out of the rails, I don't mind volume but I always look to make sure the rails arent boxy cause I know as I light weight I don't have the leg strength or weight to sink them into a turn.
I like the volume in my boards under my chest area and try to keep the nose and tail reasonably thin and pulled in.
very true. my fat quad is 5'9 and has almost as much volume as my midlonger. the middy has a thin tail,lotsa rocker and very foiled rails. the volume is right under my chest, very hp
Example the fat quad paddles into everything so nicely.BUT it will hang ya up in the lip because of how thick it is. Does not want to break through the wave,it just floats up with it... I know , I know that's when I should stop being lazy and swap sticks
Select to expand quotechrispy said..SP said..chrispy said...smh said..
Have as little volume as you can get away with.
yep I will go with along with that. volume might you onto them easier...but then you end up like a skipping stone after that
Where the volume is, is important 2 IMO.
Take a nose rider all the volume up front makes them get into waves easy but then you stuck if you want to do a proper turn cause that heavy wide nose won't swing and is likely to catch an edge when you try and turn it with any real force.
Same as getting rid off the volume out of the rails, I don't mind volume but I always look to make sure the rails arent boxy cause I know as I light weight I don't have the leg strength or weight to sink them into a turn.
I like the volume in my boards under my chest area and try to keep the nose and tail reasonably thin and pulled in.
very true. my fat quad is 5'9 and has almost as much volume as my midlonger. the middy has a thin tail,lotsa rocker and very foiled rails. the volume is right under my chest, very hp
Example the fat quad paddles into everything so nicely.BUT it will hang ya up in the lip because of how thick it is. Does not want to break through the wave,it just floats up with it... I know , I know that's when I should stop being lazy and swap sticks
I commented on another forum that this was occurring in this clip...but that wasn't a popular sentiment.
IMO most people are surfing too little volume in all the variations of small, medium and big wave boards. While there is some loss of performance with additional volume, most people over estimate their performance levels and wouldn't really notice the difference of a little extra volume if they get the rails right. Certainly going over board with forward weighting and wide noses will increase catching, but their are lots of ways to add volume without affecting plan shape too much. Just because a professional or a ball tearing ripper is surfing certain shapes/volumes/dimensions doesn't mean they are in anyway appropriate for even the keenest recreational surfer. I always think you are better off being over gunned/volumed rather than under gunned/volumed.
And absolutely where you are surfing matters on what design parameters are suitable. The Bombie I am hitting tomorow doesn't like square tails nor wide noses.
I agree with the drip,on this one. Not sure if The Drip is a fair description of a man who makes sense and loves words that phonetically imitates the sound of the word. I am now standing by for some alliteration
In golf they always suggest that recreational and weekend players should use a club more than they think - because how often do they actually hit through the green as opposed to coming up short. Re boards - every day out in the water I watch people under gunned on volume strugglying. Good surfers can surf anything. Average surfers need all the help they can get I recond.
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I agree with the drip,on this one. Not sure if The Drip is a fair description of a man who makes sense and loves words that phonetically imitates the sound of the word. I am now standing by for some alliteration
In golf they always suggest that recreational and weekend players should use a club more than they think - because how often do they actually hit through the green as opposed to coming up short. Re boards - every day out in the water I watch people under gunned on volume striugglying. Good surfers can surf anything. Average surfers need all the help they can get I recond.
All those big words and you come up.with recond
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I agree with the drip,on this one. Not sure if The Drip is a fair description of a man who makes sense and loves words that phonetically imitates the sound of the word. I am now standing by for some alliteration
In golf they always suggest that recreational and weekend players should use a club more than they think - because how often do they actually hit through the green as opposed to coming up short. Re boards - every day out in the water I watch people under gunned on volume striugglying. Good surfers can surf anything. Average surfers need all the help they can get I recond.
Yeah I agree too. A lot of people punch in their stuff into firewire or lost calc's & go with that. Not considering they're not as good as they think or considering the waves they're surfing in respect of the design of the board shape. Volume & where it is placed, the amount of rocker, the width etc etc is going to effect your experience surfing the board.....but please....please! Keep this a secret, the short-short-low-low revolution has been the farging best thing ever in the last 3 or 4 years...cheers mate
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I am doing my best Stralia efforts in prep for Tom
Its straya mate...geeez
I like the least amount of volume I can get away with. Less corky and allows me to sink the rail into a turn. I find it's lessens slide outs and the board actually goes through a turn on rail and maintains speed. I think area and bottom contours are of more importance that volume. Mind you I'm a kneelo so what the **** would I know.
when I go to the beach on average I see 5% that rip, 15% surf good, 30% average to poor and 50% Poor to crap. Most of those people would not suffer from a bit more volume in my most humble opinion. That's what I am talking about. Some days you might see a bigger proportion of rippers but generally it's the second category where you get the pick up in averages. Especially when the surf starts to get a bit bigger and natural selection theories start to take over.
Are you talking about volume in general or volume for longboards or shortboards.i surf roughly the same volume in my shortboards within approx 2ltr whether its a 5'8 fish or a 6'8 pin.Im 80kg and surf boards around the 32 -35ltr anything under 30ltr and Im struggling to get into waves with consequence.I think with longboards volume depends on whether its hp or log but not as critical as shortboards(maybe, as Im not a dedicated l/boarder,surf them when conditions favour them)I know a lot of you ride shortboards what weight and volume do you ride?
And Smicko if thats you driving off the bottom in your pic -thats sick
Pfffft all this talk of to much Vol on longboards and the affects on HP surfing, who does HP surfing on hip hi surf in hear,, if they do I want to see it, cheers
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Pfffft all this talk of to much Vol on longboards and the affects on HP surfing, who does HP surfing on hip hi surf in hear,, if they do I want to see it, cheers
I do just competed my second session of the day and I would have to say its the best I've surfed in over a year,smashed the living day lights out of it.
waist the shoulder high the splice killed it,epic board.
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Pfffft all this talk of to much Vol on longboards and the affects on HP surfing, who does HP surfing on hip hi surf in hear,, if they do I want to see it, cheers
HP no way. I just want a surfboard I can paddle easy and turn.
Not about HP at all. Complete opposite it's About finding a board that is fun to surf.
I don't get enough time in the water to be good so I want something that makes it enjoyable
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Pfffft all this talk of to much Vol on longboards and the affects on HP surfing, who does HP surfing on hip hi surf in hear,, if they do I want to see it, cheers
HP no way. I just want a surfboard I can paddle easy and turn.
Not about HP at all. Complete opposite it's About finding a board that is fun to surf.
I don't get enough time in the water to be good so I want something that makes it enjoyable
i can imagine a jockey complaining about to much volume even mct for that matter.
Everyones all over this but IMO Yeh it is when your 3 digits in weight and 6' 3 the extra volume /weight helps with entry speed. If your surfin points and you have a touch more time and you have a need for speed the more the better. You surfin challenging beach break then less volume through the tail , square/pin depending off your taste, square for me, and a bit lighter all over. same length. each to their own anyways eh.
