Select to expand quoteSP said..
Take this in the spirit that you made your Darwin comment with 
Look after yourself and stay safe. Most people would rather have you around than a few $ in the bank.
Lives before economics in my book. All economics is a trade off between the short term and long term any way.
In this case the equation changes to include the social cost of deaths. BTW I'm not a Darwinist.
And we have fully locked down since this fiasco started.
Just trying to give people a heads up that if this thing rebounds every season the we will know the cost of actual war.
Keep an eye on third world countries. This is where the anarchy will rise and the cost will be felt first.
Just saying...
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
DOOMSDAY!!
Followed by JUDGEMENT DAY.
Followed by DAMNATION DAY.
But only for the naughty kids 
For the angles among us SALVATION awaits, just hope it comes with crystal cilinders.
Please don't read the title & think I support not taking restrictive measures to prevent the spread of C19...I'm sharing this video for the other information it contains.
Cobra, "Barrel riding has always been great"
Agree The numbers are all over the shop.
They are that distorted and skewed via bias that no real statistician would take them seriously. To many factors that cause them to be inaccurate.
This came up a few pages back. What about the people who had it who they didn't test? Wouldn't that skew the number back the other way?
And on the other hand deaths attributed that weren't tested?
This is a pretty decent article that highlights some of the bias built into the numbers
medium.com/swlh/why-you-shouldnt-believe-the-coronavirus-death-rate-e52f6ba78806
Like i said i could have had it and no one would know.
As the restrictions hit i had been feeling a drained and had a mild cold flu symptoms. Sore throat some coughing up a bit of crap. But no respiratory symptoms Had to work in the rain too which didnt help.
Mind you every year running into the change of seasons this happens.
I had a skin check coming at the doctors so he checked me out. No sign if this virus although i had 'something '
Anyway loaded up on vitamins etc and shaked it off . Kept to myself .
I cant shake the feeling we've been conned a bit
Probably wrong but it is in the back of my mind.
so now we have people with a Com cold ,,,but it could of been covid,FMD
Lacey and considering MOST that have it are positive for weeks and weeks.
like a local indigenous bloke here, been fine for weeks ,,still can't go into the public as he is covid positive.
you could be the gold coast spreader.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
Please don't read the title & think I support not taking restrictive measures to prevent the spread of C19...I'm sharing this video for the other information it contains.
Cobra, "Barrel riding has always been great"
love your student studio clips,,,,any have a job? or still studying and studying and studying.
Select to expand quoteSP said..
Agree The numbers are all over the shop.
They are that distorted and skewed via bias that no real statistician would take them seriously. To many factors that cause them to be inaccurate.
This came up a few pages back. What about the people who had it who they didn't test? Wouldn't that skew the number back the other way?
And on the other hand deaths attributed that weren't tested?
This is a pretty decent article that highlights some of the bias built into the numbers
medium.com/swlh/why-you-shouldnt-believe-the-coronavirus-death-rate-e52f6ba78806
well its a month ago for a start,,, what's happened since then
Yes SP, different countries different reporting policies. The US health system has had financial incentive to over report the infection rate & a lot of Italian families have come out & said their family members did not die of C19 when the death cert stated they had.
Lacey same here, I was fighting something for a few weeks & just came good before my workplace announced you would have 2 weeks off work if you had any signs or symptoms of infection. That would have been about the 20th of Mar.
I don't feel this whole thing has been so much of a con by the Oz Gov. C19 is real, but it has been sensationalized by the media & I feel although I do not agree with how the Oz Gov handled it. I think they just acted in a way that they felt was for the good of the country based upon what was being reported by other countries.
The old & the at risk peeps need to self isolate & the money they've wasted by giving peeps on the dole x2$ & money for people who have lost an income due to their actions would have been far better served by providing community services to allow the old & at risk to properly self isolate. And then if they chose not to self isolate & their life was endangered that would be their choice at the risk of receiving the ultimate penalty.
Those that provide services to the at risk peeps can utiliize PPE & as a result more PPE stock would also be available.
This is what I think they should implement right now, each successive week will only make it harder to get somewhat back on track to normality.
Select to expand quoteCobra said..MickPC said..
Please don't read the title & think I support not taking restrictive measures to prevent the spread of C19...I'm sharing this video for the other information it contains.
Cobra, "Barrel riding has always been great"
love your student studio clips,,,,any have a job? or still studying and studying and studying.
That blokes a professional blogger/alternative media guy. He makes a living creating content for YT. He has a 1/4 of a million Subscribers & over 18 million views.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..Cobra said..MickPC said..
Please don't read the title & think I support not taking restrictive measures to prevent the spread of C19...I'm sharing this video for the other information it contains.
Cobra, "Barrel riding has always been great"
love your student studio clips,,,,any have a job? or still studying and studying and studying.
That blokes a professional blogger/alternative media guy. He makes a living creating content for YT. He has a 1/4 of a million Subscribers & over 18 million views.
well after quoting Neeraj Sood for all of one sentence. it must be true.
love his editing that's desecration.
Keep drinking the cool aid M8.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
a lot of Italian families have come out & said their family members did not die of C19 when the death cert stated they had.
we have already flogged this horse Mick...weeks ago as SP said.
24 thousand deaths Italy .. its like a war as some of you Have pointed out.
OK once more.
what happens in wars?
that person laying on the ground died from war or a heart attack.
Select to expand quoteCobra said..
so now we have people with a Com cold ,,,but it could of been covid,FMD
Lacey and considering MOST that have it are positive for weeks and weeks.
like a local indigenous bloke here, been fine for weeks ,,still can't go into the public as he is covid positive.
you could be the gold coast spreader.
I could have done that ben and liam tictok coughing vid ..haha
Like i said "could "of . At the time you know its highly unlikely but the doc visit was a relief.
i could have got it off mac through seabreeze. An internet infection
He was overseas
Ps. Make ya mind up.
First your saying dont go surfing youll get the virus and spread it Then your telling me to **** with my cold
Select to expand quoteSP said..
Agree The numbers are all over the shop.
They are that distorted and skewed via bias that no real statistician would take them seriously. To many factors that cause them to be inaccurate.
This came up a few pages back. What about the people who had it who they didn't test? Wouldn't that skew the number back the other way?
And on the other hand deaths attributed that weren't tested?
This is a pretty decent article that highlights some of the bias built into the numbers
medium.com/swlh/why-you-shouldnt-believe-the-coronavirus-death-rate-e52f6ba78806
YES we finally agree on something
Exactly what I have been telling people as well, no accurate datum equates to crap results.
Statistically this is called a Z value or the value attached to the level of confidence based on the statistical sample size.
The greater the sample size in relation to say the population the higher the confidence in the statistics presented.
So mathematically and based on the sample sizes due to the testing availability the data being presented is absolute crap, and insufficient to warrant the actions implemented.
However anecdotally based on actual observation of the effect of the virus it is evident that this little critter is far more deadly than the common cold or flu.
Those figures actually warrant taking of action to contain the potential for a pandemic.
This is where the gov has to balance things, to over react with extreme sanctions will cause greater suffering and damage in the long term than the virus itself.
To do nothing would allow a pandemic to run rampant and decimate our health system and services.
Tough gig to be a PM or President right now, last thing that wins your next election in becoming unpopular to the point of an uprising.
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..Cobra said..
so now we have people with a Com cold ,,,but it could of been covid,FMD
Lacey and considering MOST that have it are positive for weeks and weeks.
like a local indigenous bloke here, been fine for weeks ,,still can't go into the public as he is covid positive.
you could be the gold coast spreader.
I could have done that ben and liam tictok coughing vid ..haha
Like i said "could "of . At the time you know its highly unlikely but the doc visit was a relief.
i could have got it off mac through seabreeze. An internet infection
He was overseas
Ps. Make ya mind up.
First your saying dont go surfing youll get the virus and spread it Then your telling me to **** with my cold
im not saying don't go surfing,,never did.
might of said its not a good look.
that's why i haven't step foot on the golf course
ive also have no problems with people playing golf.
a lot of tongue firmly planted in cheek being overlooked here.
Hey Mick,whats he say about china admitting its death toll is estimated at 40% higher than released.
funny how those numbers haven't been posted yet.....sorry he probably knew them and added them
Select to expand quoteCobra said...
we have already flogged this horse Mick...weeks ago as SP said.
24 thousand deaths Italy .. its like a war as some of you Have pointed out.
OK once more.
what happens in wars?
that person laying on the ground died from war or a heart attack.
I don't post stuff as some kind of me vs you m8...if I think I've found interesting information even if I don't 100% agree on it, I post it as additional information to try & make sense of all this. I feel like this is a pivotal moment in our life & I want all the information I can get. To do that I don't feel like I can trust solely in the information provided by the MSM. I think its good to scrutinize all that we hear, we are told & what we observe in regard to not only C19 but the effect it has had on our country & other countries around the world. Although we have seen a number of pandemics through history, we've never seen the authoritarian response we have seen with this one. I'll flog whatever horse I feel fit until its dead.
Select to expand quoteCobra said..
Hey Mick,whats he say about china admitting its death toll is estimated at 40% higher than released.
funny how those numbers haven't been posted yet.....sorry he probably knew them and added them
China under reported the death toll & down played the severity of the virus m8.
The data has not been posted coz China has not been transparent in sharing it.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..Cobra said..
Hey Mick,whats he say about china admitting its death toll is estimated at 40% higher than released.
funny how those numbers haven't been posted yet.....sorry he probably knew them and added them
China under reported the death toll & down played the severity of the virus m8.
The data has not been posted coz China has not been transparent in sharing it.
that's Right, so what's the point of numbers
Select to expand quoteCobra said..SP said..
Agree The numbers are all over the shop.
They are that distorted and skewed via bias that no real statistician would take them seriously. To many factors that cause them to be inaccurate.
This came up a few pages back. What about the people who had it who they didn't test? Wouldn't that skew the number back the other way?
And on the other hand deaths attributed that weren't tested?
This is a pretty decent article that highlights some of the bias built into the numbers
medium.com/swlh/why-you-shouldnt-believe-the-coronavirus-death-rate-e52f6ba78806
well its a month ago for a start,,, what's happened since then
Nothing they're still inaccurate.
But that isn't a huge issue, all models and stats have bias, assumption and confidence levels. Knowing they exist amd not pushing them as the be all and end all is the important bit.
As you said below your post does it even matter, the raw data shows lots of death. And its a nasty ****er that would overrun the hospital system if left unchecked causing more death and long term economic and social problems.
You don't need a model or death rate to show that. There is only so many ICU beds and gov needs to manage cases vs available help.
In addition the gov wants to stop as many deaths as possible so they put measures In place to stop the spread.
Each one of those deaths is a human life that potentially could have been saved. It's cool quoting death rates and saying it doesn't matter till you know the poor ****er who dies.
People can say they overreacted but if they say one death is to many than they have acted in line to reduce that.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said.. I'll flog whatever horse I feel fit until its dead.
i think animal activist may have a say in that.
Select to expand quoteSP said..Cobra said..SP said..
Agree The numbers are all over the shop.
They are that distorted and skewed via bias that no real statistician would take them seriously. To many factors that cause them to be inaccurate.
This came up a few pages back. What about the people who had it who they didn't test? Wouldn't that skew the number back the other way?
And on the other hand deaths attributed that weren't tested?
This is a pretty decent article that highlights some of the bias built into the numbers
medium.com/swlh/why-you-shouldnt-believe-the-coronavirus-death-rate-e52f6ba78806
well its a month ago for a start,,, what's happened since then
Nothing they're still inaccurate.
But that isn't a huge issue, all models and stats have bias, assumption and confidence levels. Knowing they exist amd not pushing them as the be all and end all is the important bit.
As you said below your post does it even matter, the raw data shows lots of death. And its a nasty ****er that would overrun the hospital system if left unchecked causing more death and long term economic and social problems.
You don't need a model or death rate to show that. There is only so many ICU beds and gov needs to manage cases vs available help.
In addition the gov wants to stop as many deaths as possible so they put measures In place to stop the spread.
Each one of those deaths is a human life that potentially could have been saved. It's cool quoting death rates and saying it doesn't matter till you know the poor ****er who dies.
People can say they overreacted but if they say one death is to many than they have acted in line to reduce that.
i could Kiss you.
Select to expand quoteCobra said..MickPC said..Cobra said..
Hey Mick,whats he say about china admitting its death toll is estimated at 40% higher than released.
funny how those numbers haven't been posted yet.....sorry he probably knew them and added them
China under reported the death toll & down played the severity of the virus m8.
The data has not been posted coz China has not been transparent in sharing it.
that's Right, so what's the point of numbers
At this point numbers give us an idea of the spread & severity of the virus. The data so far shows the measures the government put in place helped slow the spread of the virus. They also show that it is the old & people with immunity deficiencies are the people at risk...hence why I have stated they need to isolate & spending money to assist their isolation would be beneficial.
Now in response to SP's last comment at 4:07 as I understand it..."data shows C19 is lethal & preventing one death through what some claim to be Gov over reaction is good if it only saves 1 life".
My 2c worth is its not as simple as that & we kinda have the benefit of hindsight here...kinda...there is a lot more to it than just the simple stats of the C19 which from my pov do not show it to be a lethal virus. The longer term health issues as a result of a blanket lockdown as we currently define said lockdown could far outweigh the health risks posed to people who would be at risk from any kind of infection other than C19.
Select to expand quotelaceys lane said..
Like i said i could have had it and no one would know.
As the restrictions hit i had been feeling a drained and had a mild cold flu symptoms. Sore throat some coughing up a bit of crap. But no respiratory symptoms Had to work in the rain too which didnt help.
Mind you every year running into the change of seasons this happens.
I had a skin check coming at the doctors so he checked me out. No sign if these virus although i had 'something '
Anyway loaded up on vitamins etc and shaked it off . Kept to myself .
I cant shake the feeling we've been conned a bit
Probably wrong but it is in the back of my mind.
you can shake it.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..Cobra said...
we have already flogged this horse Mick...weeks ago as SP said.
24 thousand deaths Italy .. its like a war as some of you Have pointed out.
OK once more.
what happens in wars?
that person laying on the ground died from war or a heart attack.
I don't post stuff as some kind of me vs you m8...if I think I've found interesting information even if I don't 100% agree on it, I post it as additional information to try & make sense of all this. I feel like this is a pivotal moment in our life & I want all the information I can get. To do that I don't feel like I can trust solely in the information provided by the MSM. I think its good to scrutinize all that we hear, we are told & what we observe in regard to not only C19 but the effect it has had on our country & other countries around the world. Although we have seen a number of pandemics through history, we've never seen the authoritarian response we have seen with this one. I'll flog whatever horse I feel fit until its dead.
the horse has run.
