I don't think direct experience is a prerequisite for having an opinion. If it is than we should stop any discussion about the Olympics, most likely pwa events are off limits for most. Wave sailing at jaws or cloud break as well . Probably we shouldnt vote on Saturday about whos best to run the country either.
This debate is good. I would comment there are many people who knock the LT here. That is fair and it is not as fast as a raceboard eg Mistral One Design, Starboard Phantom etc. However speed is relative and there are many craft faster than those including kitefoilers. However the LT is loads of fun and is great to race. Just watch the worlds in Lake Garda in July and see how that pans out. I think Raceboard would be great in the Olympics but it no longer has the momentum globally to take it out. Goya have an exciting new board which may be a future Olympic board.
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Course Race Single
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It sounds like it will have twin cam Goya Mark 2 8.5 m2 and 9.5 m2 sails.
I meet Goya years ago and he is not a racer, yes awesome wave sailor.
Bruce Kendall is double Olympic medalist and should have had a third medal if not from gear breakage which prompted better quality control as he got no redress.
Yes I'm a kiwi and biased but why not promote his work that offers an alternative to RSX & Techno and the length reduces excess baggage charges. http://glide-sport.com/introduction
BK also charges in the waves
The Goya board in too similar to the RSX, in his letter to World Sailing pleading the case of foiling Dorian V acknowledged that even though the RSX provides close racing, it does nothing well is a dog of a board to sail and no one really enjoys sailing it. I think it should be either long board or foil
Quick search of the classifieds brought this up, $150 meets all the requirements and there's probably hundreds of them laying around looking for a home. Why make the LT when there's gems like this around. Who wants fast exciting racing anyway
Yea foiling at the Olympics is Pie in the Sky stuff. I'm foiling and if in the situation it was included in the Olympics it would be a research and development race around specifications and equipment refinement until 2024 as so much development and change will naturally occur between now and then. Don't get me wrong it great to watch and better entertainment.
If the RSX is unpopular or interest is fading by the sailors and/or supporters then the windsurf LT is the go. I agree the craft needs to be cheap and tough. Thus todays race boards don't fit the bill like the mistral did. I agree the Mistral should of been kept as it was a refined one design and I am ignorant of how the RSX wa viewed to be better than the mistral.
This forum subject has created a lot of interesting discussion. Does anyone know the selection criteria for the 2024 equipment? Is it related to maximising viewing, profits, class participation, or anything else?
I think it's fun to race on Olympic class equipment as you can potentially race against to the best, however you can do this in WC's too every year with a typically easier and more accessible qualification.
Dorian stated "People leave the class because it is too expensive for what it is, not durable enough and far too physically demanding - heavy both on and off the water."
They might be some reasons that suit his argument for change however I have other observations too.
Youth sports and youth Windsurfing have high participation when youth are living at home, funded my Mum and Dad, single/not in serious relationship, plenty of spare time after study or part time work. All this changes around the time youth complete study and/or get a job. Maybe then we call them adults and they might have to move away for work and not close to a racing fleet, work 40hrs per week, spend time with serious partner/family, spend their own hard earned money on windsurfer vs car, rent, partner, expenses, or think about saving for a house. If they don't love windsurfing enough it goes down the priority list. For those who still love it, getting out a couple of times a week is not usually enough to be able to win against the full time sailors so why spend so much money renewing equipment.
For a few who were successful in youth, they may get financial support from their national sailing body or some sponsors so they continue and make a career of it, even continue to be a coach.
Regarding board choices and Olympics aside. It's whatever your taste is. Speed, modern equipment, cost, ease of use, simplicity, big fleets for course racing, a combination?
Windsurfer LT is the clear winner for simplicity, ease of use and cost. Upwind performance, and the revival fleets are other positives. Weaknesses are downwind top end speed due to small rig and wide (stable) board.
Raceboard, RSX, formula and foiling all require more skill and are more physical to sail. But if you like speed then these all have their moments. Cost is higher but second hand equipment can be quite good value. RB is faster than the rest in the lightest winds (displacement mode) but there's a point when RSX and formula will plane and foiling will fly so the fun begins. Some people enjoy the physical challenge of holding an overpowered 9.5m rig in 25knots, battling the conditions, going fast and being on the edge of a big wipeout.
If you're going out for racing then the fleet size probably matters and you will probably experience all conditions. Otherwise a board may be chosen to suit local conditions, or windsurfing is saved for when it's windy enough to have some fun. Maybe it's fun from a social point of view or enjoying some outdoor activity.
In conclusion all boards can be fun, you have to ask the sailor, and there is no conclusion about gear selection for the 2024 Olympics.
I love the argument that foils are going to advance too much in the next 5 years. That means windsurfing will advance too much in 5 years. So is the answer to move further backwards?
If you want speed just have a soldier course and get rid of tactics
no need for upwind tacking duels
and bring back triangles
no windward returns
yep sounds great
follow the leader
It would be funny if the Lt made the Olympics.
The melts would be epic.
deep blue would melt
people who don't even race or sailed a Lt would go mental
Well De Vecta the answer is Yes. I'd say windsurfing did go backwards for a bit and designers and riders made equipment to specific and too difficult to ride. This came from needing to split hairs as windsurfing is so refined now. wider board with less volume are now becoming more narrow with greater volume to get through the gybes on the plane and adding more vee back into the shape to handle the chop so sailor can power off the fin. But I digress. I think it's a fair point to highlight foiling with evolve in equipment and performance greatly in comparison to windsurfing in the next five years. I would support this assumption based on where foiling with 5 years ago. E.G you were not foiling at all.
Foiling will be in the PWA not sure why it needs to be in the Olympics. Foiling will develop. In the meantime Raceboards would be a great thing for the Olympics. Pick the Exocet since it is the latest design- although the Glide would be cool too and is the only candidate (presently in contention) other than LT I would support. Also LT can grow independent of the Olympics. Techno can remain a feeder class for youth.