You've got a point there rustbucket, I don't think any of the tutors have much of a clue about either sports. It should be possible to pull the wool over their eyes, however, the more professional my research appears the more likely they are to be impressed. These people have listened to students implement the art of bull**** for many years.
As for getting some experiece on a surfboard that's not a bad idea at all...however, it doesn't escape my attention that it is summer over there in Australia. It is just a tad chillier here in the UK! ha ha
It's even been snowing, which, for, many here, is the equivalent of the apocolypse!
Yeah it was snowing on the day of my first site visit to Crosby, it was so cold no one dared take their gloves off for more than a few seconds.
Have they knocked down the old windsurf shop yet? That place used to be great and I don't think many people were pleased to see it go
Twm - I know you're a student, but www.clubvass.com has some fantastic windsurfing holiday deals out to Dahab in April.... think of it - sunshine, cheap beer, warmth and a chance to learn a new sport!
OK, so here's a thought. I'm sure you've legally got to provide disabled access to the centre... but how about extending that idea to encouraging disabled people to land yacht?
I know absolutely NOTHING about whether it's possible / whether it's being done, but I reckon that essentially a landyacht is a chair with wheels with a sail attached.... you see where I'm going here?
(Yes, I know that it's a presumption that all disabled people are paraplegics and wheelchair bound, but if I lost the use of my legs and couldn't windsurf any more, I reckon landyachting would be of interest).
Just a thought.... might score some points with the lecturers for you.
getting back to the task at hand.
it doesn't matter if the design needs to house longboards or wide boards, that will come out in the wash. just provide 2 rooms at 6mx3m for the sails and boards plus a 6mx6m room for landsailors and work out the detail later in the day.
then plug in your bar / decks / amenities / enty point / outdoor spaces / tractor-boat ... etc.
getting too hung up on exact room sizes just limits the design.
what's important is the spacial relationship of the rooms and their function. gotta start at the planning phase and work your way up.
work out the best aspects and view lines.
get some site sections happening and look at topography
explore the volumetric outcomes of your building once the plans are happening
remember, if the planning is no good no amount of tarting up is going to help.
Also how about stocking the lake with whatever fish would find it a suitable environment (maybe carp - they put up a fun fight on light tackle)) - perfect alternative for when there's no wind.
ok, i got bored.....
no pun intended.
fantastic site you've been given.
google earth (53?28'13.32"N 3? 2'2.03"W) has lots of images uploaded, seems you have brilliant views to the west, east and north.
access seems to be from the south? looks like a good spot to create an address.
lots of potential to maintain a connection between the south of the site and the north of the site via the lake foreshore also.
(you may need to introduce pontoons or a sand beaches to access the lake).
to the west seems to be a good spot for a bar area capturing sunset views in the afternoon. providing a connection to the bitumen may help open up additional outdoor space for good weather.
www.windfinder.com/windstatistics/liverpool?utm_source=www.windfinder.com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=redirect
looks like fun.
nasty if you mean a windsurf shop at Croby then yes I think they have because I didn't see one while I was there. I'll keep an eye out when I return to finish the site analysis on Saturday.
FlickySpinny the mear mention of sunshine has gotten me day dreaming, it's freezing cold here in Liverpool.
russh the wave machine is called the Mersey! ha ha The windsurfers that look for waves can hit the beach on one side of the site, while those looking for planing or are learning will be able to go to the lake.
FlickySpinny disabled access is a consideration however, land yachting involves steering with the legs so unfortunately, at least for someone who is wheelchair bound, neither sport is suitable.
Gestalt thanks for those room dimensions, they will help with the layout when I get that far. I'm currently collecting as much dimensional detail as possible so that I won't have to go looking for it when the design phase is in full swing. It also means I won't have to shell out £30 or so for a Metric Handbook, althpugh KI will need one at some point in the future.
The site section is one of the things I will be sorting this weekend when a I go with a few architecture buddies to Crosby for visit number 2. Hopefully it won't be as cold as last time....
easty NotWal as for alternatives to no wind...forgive me if I sound too much like a student but...isn't that what a bar is for?
Gestalt I cannot thank you enough. All I've heard at the studio is people complaining that they could not come across details of prevailing winds and so on. In one swoop you have pointed me to a resource that will help me with this project and all others to come!
As for the location of a viewing area I had been torn between the east side (overlooking the lake) and the west side (overlooking the Mersey towards Wales and the shipping lanes). As you say, however, there are some stunning sunsets to the west, and because of that I will more than likely choose to position it there.
Also NotWal a grass roof, over part of the building, is something O had bee considering, I think it would make a nice effect if the building seemed to be rising out of the ground.
Here's my club; you could do a lot worse than just copying this:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39829
Bar and restaurant, two seperate large washing areas, changerooms, a classroom, plenty of covered area for when it rains, pro shop, 2 zodiacs, 2 tractors for pulling said zodiacs, plenty of grass and shade, racks for hundreds of boards and rigged sails, weight training equipment, picnic tables, all in the name of windsurfing!! Now all we need is wind...
Also there's no car park...
Thanks for the pics and description Wet Willy, several of the features of your club are in my brief for the centre. The pics also raise a question:
Most of the storage areas you have shown me are of the boards on racks, lying horizontally one above the other. Is this your preffered method of storage? Would another method be easier, perhaps if they were stored vertically in a row?
Here's my brief if any of you would like to read it for yourselves:
Windsurfing/land yachting centre
Task
Design a centre for windsurfing and land yachting on a site at Crosby marina
Windsurfing and land yachting are sports which give the user a sense of freedom, speed and exhilaration whilst requiring skill and experience to exploit fully. The task is to produce a design that reflects these qualities and enhances the urban environment. As with all design, the key to achieving a solution which is both architecturally exciting/dynamic and answers the functional brief is to fully understand and appreciate the nature of the activity involved together with a full
appreciation of the site and the context.
Site
Crosby is a town to the north and effectively now a suburb of Liverpool. It is home to Antony Gormleys another place and the Liverpool Freeport container dock, both of which are adjacent to the site. The marina is a long established part of the area and is currently undergoing a refurbishment. The existing sailing club has a new watersports centre currently on site which will cater for dinghy sailing and canoeing.
You may use a maximum building footprint of 20% of the site area. This means that you should design car parking/landscaping for the area of the site not taken with the building.
Schedule of accommodation
In this scheme, the accommodation listed below is definitive and must be provided. Your presentation should demonstrate how the facilities work and each of the accommodation requirements is satisfied.
•Entrance and retail area
Provide an entrance and reception area for course enquiries and a small retail area for items ofwindsurfing boards and accessories, wet suits plus books/videos.
•Equipment store
Provide sufficient storage, drying and maintenance for 15 windsurfing boards and sails, 5 land yachts plus sails. There should also be storage for 20 wetsuits and an adjacent external area for washing down equipment should be provided.
•Class room
Space for 5 students plus instructor to work comfortably at desks (or tables) plus TV/video, bookshelves and wall space.
•Changing/shower facilities
Separate male and female changing area – provide changing space for a maximum of ten people each sex, 2 showers each sex, 2 toilets each sex.
•Small café area
To seat for a maximum of 20. Do not let this grow out of control. You should visit the Library Café in the Sydney Jones library for a guide to the maximum size that you should provide.
Security
You should consider the security aspect of the building which contains an amount of expensive equipment and will be unattended for periods.
External Spaces
Observation area for friends and relatives (internal and/or external), drop-off point for people and equipment including windsurf boards, land yachts and other heavy equipment, loading area. Parking for a minimum of 25 cars laid out to Metric Handbook dimensions.
Research and Precedent study
You are to investigate and communicate detailed information about the functions carried out in the building and find/document an appropriate contemporary building that occupies a similar site (urban/) and proble (sport/activity/maritime/education).
Educational objectives
This scheme builds on the work of the first semester. You should apply the methods from the conceptual workshop and the skill building exercises (drawing/modelling/CAAD) in this scheme. In addition to needing a full understanding of the functional requirements of the building, you will be introduced to site analysis, a key component of a design formulation. You should pay full
regard to the location and the context(physical/historical/metaphoric/social/cultural) in conjunction with the functional requirements in formulating the form and the silting of your design.
you will need to address (amongst others):
•Site analysis leading to design strategies for an urban/seaside context
•Functional analysis of the requirements of the building
•Materiality – appropriate materials for use/site/conceptual basis
•Consideration of environment - a diagram showing the environmental strategy
•Efficient and spatially accurate space planning
Computing
You will be introduced to more computing skills as part of this project. As an integral part of your presentation, you are required to produce a minimum of 4 page Desktop Published document of your precedent study to be presented at the final review. The emphasis is on how well the report is designed as much as what it contains. You should use well-designed books and magazines as a basis for generating your own design. You may use any DTP package, but you may not use a wordprocessing programme such as Word. The Universities managed Network has CorelDraw and Corel PhotoPaint which may also be used. Introductory sessions will be arranged and online tutorials can be accessed from the School’s
web site. You are encouraged to continue using SketchUp for design development.
Site Visit
The site visit will take place on Monday 2nd immediately following the project introduction. Details at project introduction.
Presentation
You presentation may not occupy a wall area greater equivalent to 5 A1 sheets (not including any models/sketchbook etc). You should plan your presentation clearly and concisely to demonstrate/explain the conceptual basis and design process that lead to the presented scheme.
•Site analysis diagram (max 1xA1 sheet)
•site plan at 1:200 showing surrounding area
•plans, section and elevations @ an appropriate scale
•contextual section @ 1:200 (showing adjacent buildings and Marine Lake)
•axonometric @ 1:100
•environmental and structural strategy/diagram
•developmental models and sketchbook
•DTP precedent study
•final physical model of building
Thanks once again, that is yet another useful link! I may be able to create a viewing area for both sides, I won't really know until the initial planning stage gets under way, which should be this week.
For the UK weather conditions, a giant "oppisite of snow dome", Sun dome with wind generation. (and of course Gilligans Island)
outside snow. Inside, warm and windy.(Ginger and Maryanne???)