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Fix my gybes

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Created by ikw777 > 9 months ago, 21 Mar 2011
Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
3 Apr 2011 7:36PM
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this is just my take on gybes

maybe a lot of the difficulty many folk have with gybing is because of being told the old addage of "go as fast as you can, imagine the mast is glued perpendicular to the deck of the board, get through the turn and just let the sail flip itself".....and it does, but it's usually much too late, and hanging off balance with most of the sail weight to the outside of the sails pivot point (in blue below), and to the outside of the turn, which then throws you off balance etc

you want the "pivot point" perpendicular with the board's deck, but not the mast. The pivot point can be considered a line drawn from the top of the leech to the mast base, or something close to it. (sail shape will influence it a bit)

i see most folk having the angle of the sail so that the pivot point is as shown in blue on the left, and most of them don't gybe well

those who do gybe well and who gybe effortlessly, tend to flip the sail using the pivot point as shown on the right in green

the trick to flipping the sail early without getting off balance or being flung about by the wind, is to keep the rig out in front of you using roughly 45 degree bent elbows, then force the sail to "spin" on the axis shown in green - move your front hand right up as close to the mast along the boom as possible, tilt the mast tip slightly to the outside of the rotation just before you start to spin it, it gives you a bit of leverage to generate the spin, then create a "U" shape motion with your front hand, i.e. pulling towards yourself, then away and at the same time towards the centre of the gybe. This spins or "flicks" the sail around effortlessly. Larger, heavier sails will need a bit more exaggeration of the the tilt and flick, while small camless sails need very little, especially if you are planing fast into the gybe

If you do this just as you are heading downwind, or slightly after, the sail will feel light and spin with minimal effort. You can virtually start the spin, totally let go of the boom, let it rotate hands free, and then catch it with both hands on the other side, provided you continue to maintain your bodies lean into the turn and ride the board like a surfboard.

There is a sweet spot in timing for all this, and it only comes with a bit of practice, but once you get the hang of it, you can plane out of gybes in much less wind

The diagram below is entering a gybe with the left hand / foot forward. Hope it helps a bit



terminal
1421 posts
3 Apr 2011 6:39PM
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A friend of mine used to focus 80% of his sessions on gybing trying to perfect them when they already looked perfect to me.

He was easily recognised as he usually seemed to just let the sail go and leave his arms where they were and the sail just rotated and landed back into his hands.

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
3 Apr 2011 8:40PM
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that sounds like exactly the technique

terminal
1421 posts
3 Apr 2011 6:50PM
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He was always well banked over when doing it and it seemed to be a combination of the carve, timing, and gravity. I think he must have given the boom a little flick to initiate it.

I've done boom-to-boom flicks, but have to put much more effort and motion into the flick than he did. I think I my fault is that my hand doesn't move right up beside the mast during the flick.
My foot change comes after I have the power on again with that type of flick gybe.

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
3 Apr 2011 8:57PM
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Awesome diagram and advice from the master! I'll be taking this with me next time.

Oh, and my gybes have improved since starting this thread. Carving better and find myself making an increasing proportion of fully planing gybes.

Top drawer!

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8014 posts
3 Apr 2011 10:28PM
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terminal said...

A friend of mine used to focus 80% of his sessions on gybing trying to perfect them when they already looked perfect to me.

He was easily recognised as he usually seemed to just let the sail go and leave his arms where they were and the sail just rotated and landed back into his hands.


That's how I remember my planing gybes of the 90's..
I've been trying to do wider gybes and oversheet & been stuffing up noticed usually at the exit. I think I've worked out what might be going wrong. As I try & oversheet I move the rear hand down the boom & pull it on and TRY to straighten my front arm but I think I'm pulling the rig back as I do it & enter the gybe.Then I have no room for my body to go forward and end up jammed in near the rig.I think I need to rake the rig forward as I go to oversheet as if I was doing a non planing flare (?) type gybe.That should give me more room & let me go forward.? Anyway I'll try it tomorrow ..Mind you if if worrying about the oversheet stuffs up the gybes I think I'll go back to auto pilot ones as I seem to succeed more with those.

oldie
VIC, 356 posts
4 Apr 2011 12:58AM
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Wide gybe, longboard roots. I still have Sailquik's style on my desktop

terminal
1421 posts
4 Apr 2011 12:19AM
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This is my go-to video for improving my gybes.
Flat water and strong steady wind makes it easy to progress.

You dont see gybing tutorials on choppy short waves and marginal gusty winds - and there's a good reason for that

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
4 Apr 2011 7:48AM
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oldie said...

Wide gybe, longboard roots. I still have Sailquik's style on my desktop



It looks like he's putting his rear foot right behind the downwind front footstrap. Guy Crib says put it directly in front of the rear strap.

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
4 Apr 2011 8:46AM
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Sue, the best piece of advice about good gybes I have ever read is right here in this thread.
Keep the front arm straight as you carve.
It was a real light-bulb moment for me when I did that the other day.
I realise now that I have often done that, especially for lay-downs, but I never realised it.
Like a good golf swing, where the left elbow stays dead straight, it made all the difference to consistency.

Just realised that HC has gone to some trouble to teach us all a "flick-spinny thing".
Careful guys !!!!!

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
4 Apr 2011 12:50PM
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ikw777 said...

It looks like he's putting his rear foot right behind the downwind front footstrap. Guy Crib says put it directly in front of the rear strap.


Yes but does Guy Cribb consistently punch out +27knot alphas . Seriously though whatever works and feels comfortable whilst keeping the board on the plane will probably be right. If you look at Sailquik's gybe you'll notice just how smooth his transition and transfer of weight is. He keeps body movement down to a minimum. Of course it is being done on extremely flat water although the principles remain the same.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8014 posts
4 Apr 2011 2:21PM
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KenHo said...

Sue, the best piece of advice about good gybes I have ever read is right here in this thread.
Keep the front arm straight as you carve.
It was a real light-bulb moment for me when I did that the other day.
I realise now that I have often done that, especially for lay-downs, but I never realised it.
Like a good golf swing, where the left elbow stays dead straight, it made all the difference to consistency.

Just realised that HC has gone to some trouble to teach us all a "flick-spinny thing".
Careful guys !!!!!


I was able to do that earlier in the season but for some reason find it really hard now..[}:)]

Roger303
NSW, 161 posts
4 Apr 2011 2:47PM
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sausage said...

ikw777 said...

It looks like he's putting his rear foot right behind the downwind front footstrap. Guy Crib says put it directly in front of the rear strap.


Yes but does Guy Cribb consistently punch out +27knot alphas . Seriously though whatever works and feels comfortable whilst keeping the board on the plane will probably be right. If you look at Sailquik's gybe you'll notice just how smooth his transition and transfer of weight is. He keeps body movement down to a minimum. Of course it is being done on extremely flat water although the principles remain the same.


Yes the Sailquick's vid shows an example of what I was saying, gybing the rig first then moving his 'old' front foot a split second afterwards.

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
4 Apr 2011 3:23PM
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Force it to happen, and your body will have to lean forward into the turn to follow it.
Bending your elbow means pulling your hand back, which lets your body weight fall back.


sboardcrazy said...

KenHo said...

Sue, the best piece of advice about good gybes I have ever read is right here in this thread.
Keep the front arm straight as you carve.
It was a real light-bulb moment for me when I did that the other day.
I realise now that I have often done that, especially for lay-downs, but I never realised it.
Like a good golf swing, where the left elbow stays dead straight, it made all the difference to consistency.

Just realised that HC has gone to some trouble to teach us all a "flick-spinny thing".
Careful guys !!!!!


I was able to do that earlier in the season but for some reason find it really hard now..[}:)]




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