Select to expand quoteRichardG said..
LT has saved windsurfing, not killed it. Think of how many people left windsurfing because they got tired of waiting for wind required for high performance gear and because they did not want to buy a van and look like a serial killer. Those days are gone, we don't even need the 9.0 sails anymore save for raceboards and foil racing which are great too if you can access the racing in your local fleet and can afford the gear. Now I can LT on 5.7 m2 on any given Sunday and race in any conditions and be challenged when other windsurfers are mowing the lawn or doing gardening.
I disagree. The LT is not a novel concept. It is Windsurfer class Australia you have to thank for getting behind the movement.
Select to expand quotegorgesailor said..RichardG said..
LT has saved windsurfing, not killed it. Think of how many people left windsurfing because they got tired of waiting for wind required for high performance gear and because they did not want to buy a van and look like a serial killer. Those days are gone, we don't even need the 9.0 sails anymore save for raceboards and foil racing which are great too if you can access the racing in your local fleet and can afford the gear. Now I can LT on 5.7 m2 on any given Sunday and race in any conditions and be challenged when other windsurfers are mowing the lawn or doing gardening.
I disagree. The LT is not a novel concept. It is Windsurfer class Australia you have to thank for getting behind the movement.
I never said it was novel. Novelty is a different concept to popularity and success and novelty is not correlative to either. Windsurfer Class Association of Australia (WCAA) is an organisation with much support and Greg Johns, Bruce Wylie & others are key drivers of the LT success. The WCAA has similar organisations in Europe, Italy and France and emerging in other countries. The WCAA is not the only reason for the success of the LT. The LT is successful because it is 50% fun and 50% racing. Lets see how many boards participate in the Windsurfer Europe Champs in France July 2020. The USA appears to be a slumbering giant but Robby and others are on board....I hope the USA develops. NSP is going to sell the board along with Severne with more manufacturers getting on board.
Select to expand quotegorgesailor said..RichardG said..
LT has saved windsurfing, not killed it. Think of how many people left windsurfing because they got tired of waiting for wind required for high performance gear and because they did not want to buy a van and look like a serial killer. Those days are gone, we don't even need the 9.0 sails anymore save for raceboards and foil racing which are great too if you can access the racing in your local fleet and can afford the gear. Now I can LT on 5.7 m2 on any given Sunday and race in any conditions and be challenged when other windsurfers are mowing the lawn or doing gardening.
I disagree. The LT is not a novel concept. It is Windsurfer class Australia you have to thank for getting behind the movement.
LOL you do understand what the Windsurfer Class is don't you !
Every succesfull class has a very good association behind it .
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Not sure why you bring up kite foiling, it's a completely different sport and far far more niche than windfoiling. I have never ever seen a local kitefoil race in NSW. Sure the world HPT had a round in Sydney but save for that is there organised racing anywhere on the east coast? You can't really rock up with one at most local sailing clubs.
Speed wise, nothing short of an AC50/SailGP machine can compete with them...and you know what in some conditions I reckon they'd struggle against them, the Olympic kitefoil isn't quite in the same league as the setups on the hydrofoil Pro tour but would still smoke a windfoil. But again what's the point rally comparing them?
Speaking to the topic, anything that brings people back to the sport is a good thing. Here's how I see the LT; It's something you have in the shed and crack it out on a sat Arvo to have a fun race down at the local club. It's cheap, easy to sail and it's appeal is aimed smack at people who used to do that exact thing 30 years ago. Yep, cool, love it. Kids will sail one because mum or dad have one, however, as soon as most kids see someone on a foil, in my opinion they'll want one. Because it's now the Olympic class the junior pathways will hopefully develop. Now there's costs and all sorts of other things associated with that but we can only hope.
That said it's pretty tough to get kids interested in this sort of stuff these days. When I was younger our junior fleet was probably triple the size of the entire current fleet at my old club these days....that says a lot. And it's the same everywhere.
I think you should look at sail Melbourne , they have 22 kite foils at their Aust Titles !
Select to expand quotewindsufering said..CJW said..
Not sure why you bring up kite foiling, it's a completely different sport and far far more niche than windfoiling. I have never ever seen a local kitefoil race in NSW. Sure the world HPT had a round in Sydney but save for that is there organised racing anywhere on the east coast? You can't really rock up with one at most local sailing clubs.
Speed wise, nothing short of an AC50/SailGP machine can compete with them...and you know what in some conditions I reckon they'd struggle against them, the Olympic kitefoil isn't quite in the same league as the setups on the hydrofoil Pro tour but would still smoke a windfoil. But again what's the point rally comparing them?
Speaking to the topic, anything that brings people back to the sport is a good thing. Here's how I see the LT; It's something you have in the shed and crack it out on a sat Arvo to have a fun race down at the local club. It's cheap, easy to sail and it's appeal is aimed smack at people who used to do that exact thing 30 years ago. Yep, cool, love it. Kids will sail one because mum or dad have one, however, as soon as most kids see someone on a foil, in my opinion they'll want one. Because it's now the Olympic class the junior pathways will hopefully develop. Now there's costs and all sorts of other things associated with that but we can only hope.
That said it's pretty tough to get kids interested in this sort of stuff these days. When I was younger our junior fleet was probably triple the size of the entire current fleet at my old club these days....that says a lot. And it's the same everywhere.
I think you should look at sail Melbourne , they have 22 kite foils at their Aust Titles !
And the point is ??????
Select to expand quotegorgesailor said..RichardG said..
LT has saved windsurfing, not killed it. Think of how many people left windsurfing because they got tired of waiting for wind required for high performance gear and because they did not want to buy a van and look like a serial killer. Those days are gone, we don't even need the 9.0 sails anymore save for raceboards and foil racing which are great too if you can access the racing in your local fleet and can afford the gear. Now I can LT on 5.7 m2 on any given Sunday and race in any conditions and be challenged when other windsurfers are mowing the lawn or doing gardening.
I disagree. The LT is not a novel concept. It is Windsurfer class Australia you have to thank for getting behind the movement.
...and the Windsurfer Class Italy. But it's also revived very strongly in France, Japan and Holland, which didn't have Windsurfer classes until the LT arrived.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..gorgesailor said..RichardG said..
LT has saved windsurfing, not killed it. Think of how many people left windsurfing because they got tired of waiting for wind required for high performance gear and because they did not want to buy a van and look like a serial killer. Those days are gone, we don't even need the 9.0 sails anymore save for raceboards and foil racing which are great too if you can access the racing in your local fleet and can afford the gear. Now I can LT on 5.7 m2 on any given Sunday and race in any conditions and be challenged when other windsurfers are mowing the lawn or doing gardening.
I disagree. The LT is not a novel concept. It is Windsurfer class Australia you have to thank for getting behind the movement.
...and the Windsurfer Class Italy. But it's also revived very strongly in France, Japan and Holland, which didn't have Windsurfer classes until the LT arrived.
Well, we shall see. I have started some wheels turning here but time will. Hope we can tap into some of that Aussie enthusiasm.
Spotty doing 25 knots on a Windsurfer LT One Design at Lancelin, Western Australia. This might be maximum velocity for the LT. Still the board is always fast enough to race and fast enough for fun.
Entries closed today.
A new world record for a Windsurfer Class National Championship fleet on the LT.
Amazing turnout and a great four days coming up.
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Spotty doing 25 knots on a Windsurfer LT One Design at Lancelin, Western Australia. This might be maximum velocity for the LT. Still the board is always fast enough to race and fast enough for fun.
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Looks exciting
www.sail-world.com/news/225629/2020-Windsurfer-National-Championships-preview?fbclid=IwAR3Tec_7vMArl-bVwGvYbzyhY2KmEbiiCqpQX9HlfxJ7D62q30O15QdVym4
The event is being sponsored by Coopers, Surf Logic Australia, Vaikobi, Binks Marine, Windgenuity, StoreHere, Sarah Lelliott Design, Fletcher Boardsports and Mobium Group.The Class is strongly supporting youth participation and offers a scholarship to the best boy and girl 18 or under to attend the next World Championships.The scholarship winners won't have too far to travel however as the 2020 Worlds have been awarded to Australia and will be hosted on the Swan River by Mounts Bay Sailing Club from December 28, 2020 until January 3, 2021. Over 250 competitors are expected for the 2020 WORLDS IN PERTH.
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!
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With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!
Of course they are
Select to expand quoteAUS 814 said..windsufering said..
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!
Of course they are
Lol you gonna love the photo,s
Select to expand quoteAUS 814 said..windsufering said..
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!
Of course they are
I'm looking forward to your dumb arse comments after every pic I post.
with over 115 entrants I guess that's a lot of pics LOL..
What's the age demographics not taking into accounts the kids that have to be there with their parents/grand parents ??????
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What's the age demographics not taking into accounts the kids that have to be there with their parents/grand parents ??????
Do you want me to compare them to Race Board , Formula and foil classes ????????????????????????
Select to expand quotewindsufering said..AUS 814 said..windsufering said..
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!
Of course they are
I'm looking forward to your dumb arse comments after every pic I post.
with over 115 entrants I guess that's a lot of pics LOL..
What the ???????. I only said that of course they would be amazed. If that's a dumb arse comment then you need to take your medication
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What's the age demographics not taking into accounts the kids that have to be there with their parents/grand parents ??????
Probably mainly older but every 2nd time I take my LT out someone asks about it. Even having Windsurfer written on it seems to strike a chord with some folk.
Have also taken heaps of kids for a sail on it at local beach and sailing club.
I've never done that on my other gear and even if one kid takes up windsurfing is a good thing.
Expect most windsurf events have mainly older entrants. Our sport needs all the help it can get to attract juniors.
Demographics of the National entrants are shown as follows, according to the entries:
Cat A - Adult over 21 years: 57 entrants
Cat. B - 1st timers, no nats since 2010, F/T student, 18-21yrs-35 entrants
Cat. C - under 18 years-13 entrants
Uncategorised entrants-10 entrants
TOTAL 115
I wonder what the demographics are for the foil and raceboard nationals.
I think the LT would win hands down as the windsurfing vehicle for younger and first time sailors getting into competitive racing at a National championship as demonstrated by the numbers above.
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Demographics of the National entrants are shown as follows, according to the entries:
Cat A - Adult over 21 years: 57 entrants
Cat. B - 1st timers, no nats since 2010, F/T student, 18-21yrs-35 entrants
Cat. C - under 18 years-13 entrants
Uncategorised entrants-10 entrants
TOTAL 115
I wonder what the demographics are for the foil and raceboard nationals.
I think the LT would win hands down as the windsurfing vehicle for younger and first time sailors getting into competitive racing at a National championship as demonstrated by the numbers above.
25% of the foil & race board nats in brisbane are under 19 years of age, compared to 11-13% (depending on the age of those 'uncategorised' above).
Select to expand quoteG00DSY said..RichardG said..
Demographics of the National entrants are shown as follows, according to the entries:
Cat A - Adult over 21 years: 57 entrants
Cat. B - 1st timers, no nats since 2010, F/T student, 18-21yrs-35 entrants
Cat. C - under 18 years-13 entrants
Uncategorised entrants-10 entrants
TOTAL 115
I wonder what the demographics are for the foil and raceboard nationals.
I think the LT would win hands down as the windsurfing vehicle for younger and first time sailors getting into competitive racing at a National championship as demonstrated by the numbers above.
25% of the foil & race board nats in brisbane are under 19 years of age, compared to 11-13% (depending on the age of those 'uncategorised' above).
Gold
Select to expand quoteG00DSY said..RichardG said..
Demographics of the National entrants are shown as follows, according to the entries:
Cat A - Adult over 21 years: 57 entrants
Cat. B - 1st timers, no nats since 2010, F/T student, 18-21yrs-35 entrants
Cat. C - under 18 years-13 entrants
Uncategorised entrants-10 entrants
TOTAL 115
I wonder what the demographics are for the foil and raceboard nationals.
I think the LT would win hands down as the windsurfing vehicle for younger and first time sailors getting into competitive racing at a National championship as demonstrated by the numbers above.
25% of the foil & race board nats in brisbane are under 19 years of age, compared to 11-13% (depending on the age of those 'uncategorised' above).
Thats excellent. Can you kindly show me the precise breakdown in numbers and the source of the information in a way that can be tracked. Percentages are one thing but actual numbers are also important.Thanks.
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Sorry link does not work. Why don't you analyse the data and provide a breakdown of actuals. Thanks.
Youth (under 20) 6
Open (20 to 50) 15
Grand Master (Over 50) 7
Youths comprise 21% of the fleet
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Youth (under 20) 6
Open (20 to 50) 15
Grand Master (Over 50) 7
Youths comprise 21% of the fleet
That is a good result. For a nationals it is a small fleet however. How many under 18s ? In the LT nationals there are 13 under 18.
I hope my maths is correct:
U19 - 8 = 25%
U23 - 1 = 3%
U40 - 3 = 9%
U50 - 5 = 16%
U60 - 11 = 34%
60+ - 4 = 13%
Total - 32 = 100%
Sourced from online results:
www.sailwave.com/results/2020RaceboardNationals.htm
