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Is the LT the best thing that ever happened to windsurfing? Or has it ruined it?

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Created by Ant-man > 9 months ago, 22 Nov 2019
RichardG
WA, 3749 posts
22 Jan 2020 12:14PM
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G00DSY said..
I hope my maths is correct:

U19 - 8 = 25%
U23 - 1 = 3%
U40 - 3 = 9%
U50 - 5 = 16%
U60 - 11 = 34%
60+ - 4 = 13%
Total - 32 = 100%

Sourced from online results:
www.sailwave.com/results/2020RaceboardNationals.htm







Thats a great result and thanks. A couple of points of realism. The raceboards are unfortunately an Eastern states Nationals comprising NSW and Qld entrants with zero entrants from WA and elsewhere for example. A great class just not on the up and 32 is not that fabulous considering the class has been around for decades. The U19 result is low in actuals compared to the LT and I would speculate the LT sailors are younger in the age bracket as well as being more numerous below 18 years of age. Raceboard wins on percentages but the overall numbers don't impress if we are looking at grass roots uptake which is where the LT is taking off. Now the LT might actually help raceboard grow which is a win-win.

Chris 249
NSW, 3329 posts
22 Jan 2020 3:22PM
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Raceboards have 8 under 19 - good effort.
They also have 14 over 50, so that's 44% of the fleet.
There are 4 between 19 and 40. (EDIT - beaten to it by Goodsy).

Total 32 entries. Doesn't look like an amazingly young fleet, with most of those under 40 getting pretty close to that age.... this worries me as I knew them when they were youth! :-)


Windfoilers have ZERO Australian youth and 4 from New Caledonia
40% of the Aussies are Grandmasters, so the average age of the Aussies (and perhaps the whole fleet) looks to be higher than that of RBs and possibly higher than that of LTs.

Total 19 entries as at 9 January, including 9 internationals.

Obviously the proportion of young sailors is not really relevant in many ways; a class that attracts 20 youth and 100 adults is surely better for the sport than a hypothetical class that attracts 2 youth and 1 adult, even if the latter has a higher proportion of youth. It is VERY hard to see how classes that attract 8 and 13 Aussie youth to national titles are supposedly less attractive to young sailors than a class that attracts not a single one.

The RBs, LTs and T293s are doing a far better job of attracting youth than we used to see, and that's a great thing.

Chris 249
NSW, 3329 posts
22 Jan 2020 3:42PM
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windsufering said..

AUS 814 said..


windsufering said..
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!




Of course they are



I'm looking forward to your dumb arse comments after every pic I post.
with over 115 entrants I guess that's a lot of pics LOL..


814 has an LT and his comment was supporting the class - he's no dumbarse and you should retract your post.

Chris 249
NSW, 3329 posts
22 Jan 2020 3:44PM
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RichardG said..
Demographics of the National entrants are shown as follows, according to the entries:

Cat A - Adult over 21 years: 57 entrants

Cat. B - 1st timers, no nats since 2010, F/T student, 18-21yrs-35 entrants

Cat. C - under 18 years-13 entrants

Uncategorised entrants-10 entrants

TOTAL 115

I wonder what the demographics are for the foil and raceboard nationals.

I think the LT would win hands down as the windsurfing vehicle for younger and first time sailors getting into competitive racing at a National championship as demonstrated by the numbers above.



25% of the foil & race board nats in brisbane are under 19 years of age, compared to 11-13% (depending on the age of those 'uncategorised' above).


Yes, but not one of the youth is Australian. So in terms of Australian youth, it's RB about 25%, LT about 13%, and foil zero percent.

jusavina
QLD, 1463 posts
22 Jan 2020 4:42PM
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Now I understand why there is so many entries at the LT nationals:


Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
22 Jan 2020 6:18PM
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Haha. Do not let tim tam and jinxy loose in that....

Lol

Chris 249
NSW, 3329 posts
23 Jan 2020 8:58AM
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Damn it, why didn't I go this year!

I've been planning to do the Laser worlds instead, and that means drinking Gatorade instead of beer.

Tim and Jinxy are going to be forces this year in Medium Lights and Freestyle respectively if they stay away from the kegs.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
23 Jan 2020 5:08PM
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Chris 249 said..

windsufering said..


AUS 814 said..



windsufering said..
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!





Of course they are




I'm looking forward to your dumb arse comments after every pic I post.
with over 115 entrants I guess that's a lot of pics LOL..



814 has an LT and his comment was supporting the class - he's no dumbarse and you should retract your post.


Lol give me he's phone number and I will send a dick pic

RichardG
WA, 3749 posts
23 Jan 2020 3:21PM
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Windsurfer LT One Design is the fastest growing sailing class in Australia. At the Nationals event in South Australia the latest report is the class has entrants being sailors from ages 12 to 80, including 21 sailors under 18 years old. This is excellent. No competition on Day One due to the strong winds and big waves. However there was still some action both on and off the water.













Boston!
NSW, 248 posts
23 Jan 2020 6:43PM
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I'll admit, out on the water those LT's look like the most boring thing I have ever seen in my life! But, you guys obviously have something that gets a whole lot of people super stoked and rolling up to comps, so congrats! That many people, (and that much beer!), has gotta be a good thing!? Hope you all have a great comp!

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:15PM
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Day 1 cancelled due to strong winds a big waves???
Are you sure this is a windsurfing comp?????

Chris 249
NSW, 3329 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:17PM
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windsufering said..

Chris 249 said..


windsufering said..



AUS 814 said..




windsufering said..
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!






Of course they are





I'm looking forward to your dumb arse comments after every pic I post.
with over 115 entrants I guess that's a lot of pics LOL..




814 has an LT and his comment was supporting the class - he's no dumbarse and you should retract your post.



Lol give me he's phone number and I will send a dick pic


Mate you're stuffing up the image of the LT class. Stop it, please.

To everyone - Windsuffering does not represent the Windsurfer class. We may be prickly when we get criticised because we have copped so much in the past, but we're happy, welcoming and growing.

Chris 249
NSW, 3329 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:22PM
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Day 1 cancelled due to strong winds a big waves???
Are you sure this is a windsurfing comp?????


Lots of windsurfing comps get cancelled due to high winds. The LT races in light winds as well, and while the front runnners can get around the course in just about any wind, the class is not just about them - it also wants to make sailing fun for everyone.

It's also simple physics that if you want to make a class that can sail in light winds but uses only one sail or kite, it will have to cancel sometimes in strong winds.

By the way, by acting like a 9 year old dickhead, you continue to be an embarrassment to all kiters.

Chris 249
NSW, 3329 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:25PM
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Boston! said..
I'll admit, out on the water those LT's look like the most boring thing I have ever seen in my life! But, you guys obviously have something that gets a whole lot of people super stoked and rolling up to comps, so congrats! That many people, (and that much beer!), has gotta be a good thing!? Hope you all have a great comp!


Thanks Boston!

sailquik
VIC, 6090 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:37PM
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windsufering said..

Chris 249 said..


windsufering said..



AUS 814 said..




windsufering said..
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!






Of course they are





I'm looking forward to your dumb arse comments after every pic I post.
with over 115 entrants I guess that's a lot of pics LOL..




814 has an LT and his comment was supporting the class - he's no dumbarse and you should retract your post.



Lol give me he's phone number and I will send a dick pic


Since the LT have come along I actually find myself being interested and even contemplating joining in.

Then I see Windsuffings comments in thses thread and that attitude turns me right off again.

AUS 814
NSW, 452 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:42PM
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windsufering said..

Chris 249 said..


windsufering said..



AUS 814 said..




windsufering said..
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!






Of course they are





I'm looking forward to your dumb arse comments after every pic I post.
with over 115 entrants I guess that's a lot of pics LOL..




814 has an LT and his comment was supporting the class - he's no dumbarse and you should retract your post.



Lol give me he's phone number and I will send a dick pic


Yep your all class , best crawl back in your cave ??

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:45PM
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Chris 249 said..

lotofwind said..
Day 1 cancelled due to strong winds a big waves???
Are you sure this is a windsurfing comp?????



Lots of windsurfing comps get cancelled due to high winds. The LT races in light winds as well, and while the front runnners can get around the course in just about any wind, the class is not just about them - it also wants to make sailing fun for everyone.

It's also simple physics that if you want to make a class that can sail in light winds but uses only one sail or kite, it will have to cancel sometimes in strong winds.

By the way, by acting like a 9 year old dickhead, you continue to be an embarrassment to all kiters.


What if I am a 9 year old dickhead? Is that ok? lol
Chill out a bit bro, was a joke about how windsurfers always on here say they are out in stronger winds and waves than kiters bla bla bla.
Can see why the regular sailors on here are over the Nazi LT military forum invader profiteers .

Its great the LT is sparking some interest in windsurfing, which should see the LT learners progress on to real windsurfing once the boredom sets in and they need a bit more excitement than cruising around in a crowd. Hope it see's some youth venture into proper windsurfing in the future .

Chris 249
NSW, 3329 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:55PM
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sailquik said..


windsufering said..



Chris 249 said..




windsufering said..





AUS 814 said..






windsufering said..
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!








Of course they are







I'm looking forward to your dumb arse comments after every pic I post.
with over 115 entrants I guess that's a lot of pics LOL..






814 has an LT and his comment was supporting the class - he's no dumbarse and you should retract your post.





Lol give me he's phone number and I will send a dick pic




Since the LT have come along I actually find myself being interested and even contemplating joining in.

Then I see Windsuffings comments in thses thread and that attitude turns me right off again.



He has issues. Not really his fault, though, it's a sad story. Seriously. In real life he's often a good bloke and it's only on SB that he does this sort of stuff.

Chris 249
NSW, 3329 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:59PM
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lotofwind said..


Chris 249 said..



lotofwind said..
Day 1 cancelled due to strong winds a big waves???
Are you sure this is a windsurfing comp?????





Lots of windsurfing comps get cancelled due to high winds. The LT races in light winds as well, and while the front runnners can get around the course in just about any wind, the class is not just about them - it also wants to make sailing fun for everyone.

It's also simple physics that if you want to make a class that can sail in light winds but uses only one sail or kite, it will have to cancel sometimes in strong winds.

By the way, by acting like a 9 year old dickhead, you continue to be an embarrassment to all kiters.




What if I am a 9 year old dickhead? Is that ok? lol
Chill out a bit bro, was a joke about how windsurfers always on here say they are out in stronger winds and waves than kiters bla bla bla.
Can see why the regular sailors on here are over the Nazi LT military forum invader profiteers .

Its great the LT is sparking some interest in windsurfing, which should see the LT learners progress on to real windsurfing once the boredom sets in and they need a bit more excitement than cruising around in a crowd. Hope it see's some youth venture into proper windsurfing in the future .



The Windsurfer LT is a real windsurfer. It's the new version of the original Windsurfer, the board the whole sport was named after. It's as least as "real" and "proper" as any other part of the sport. To say it's not "real" windsurfing is just illogical since the whole sport was named after its ancestor, and the man who made the term what it is has allowed the LT to use the name.

And no, there's no reason to chill out about your boring, stupid, childish ****.

Chris 249
NSW, 3329 posts
23 Jan 2020 8:00PM
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sailquik said..

windsufering said..


Chris 249 said..



windsufering said..




AUS 814 said..





windsufering said..
With over 115 entrants of the Wally nats , being the the biggest windsurfer class in Aust ( also the most hated by the fringe minority ) it's getting a lot of interest by our international visitors , here in Melb for sail Melbourne and the Rsx worlds . They are just amazed how we can get over 115 entrants !!







Of course they are






I'm looking forward to your dumb arse comments after every pic I post.
with over 115 entrants I guess that's a lot of pics LOL..





814 has an LT and his comment was supporting the class - he's no dumbarse and you should retract your post.




Lol give me he's phone number and I will send a dick pic



Since the LT have come along I actually find myself being interested and even contemplating joining in.

Then I see Windsuffings comments in thses thread and that attitude turns me right off again.


Come on in, it's great fun. In real life, WS is not a bad guy and his attitude is his own attitude - not the attitude of the class.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
23 Jan 2020 8:21PM
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Chris 249 said.











The Windsurfer LT is a real windsurfer. It's the new version of the original Windsurfer, the board the whole sport was named after. It's as least as "real" and "proper" as any other part of the sport. To say it's not "real" windsurfing is just illogical since the whole sport was named after its ancestor, and the man who made the term what it is has allowed the LT to use the name.

And no, there's no reason to chill out about your boring, stupid, childish ****.



So who is this Liz Taylor hero of yours its named after ??? Never heard of her ?? Must be before my time.

edit.... just googled it. WOW, so good to see the older generation adopting and excepting all orientations of present day. Good stuff.

snides8
WA, 1730 posts
23 Jan 2020 5:58PM
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lotofwind said..
Day 1 cancelled due to strong winds a big waves???
Are you sure this is a windsurfing comp?????


I was told they couldn't launch the support boats,perhaps someone who is there can confirm?

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
23 Jan 2020 9:19PM
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Surely a LT could be classed as a support boat???? You can fit 4 people standing on them quite easily and they still float.
All in good fun LT loooovers, good luck with your comp. Hope the wind drops off the swell turns into ankle bitters so you guys can get out there.

FormulaNova
WA, 14630 posts
23 Jan 2020 6:24PM
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lotofwind said..



So who is this Liz Taylor hero of yours its named after ??? Never heard of her ?? Must be before my time.

edit.... just googled it. WOW, so good to see the older generation adopting and excepting all orientations of present day. Good stuff.


You have been trying to wind people up about age so long now, that no matter what age you were when you started, you are old by now.

I always wonder why some people go on about being young. Its not like you are telling that to people that haven't already been the same age...

Its funny that when I see most of the people kiting when I am out, and they all seem to be the same age as me... the 'young kiter' thing seems to have disappeared. The are all old now

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
23 Jan 2020 9:57PM
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^^^^^^sssshhhhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone. In 20 years time the kite companies will do the same as the polers are trying to do now.
They will try and bring back 2 line kites and pickle forked boards and call them the GM's (George Michaels)

Its a shame that there are so few entries in the LT comp, with 70 kegs of beer on offer
Maybe next year they shouldn't mention its a LT comp so more attend ?? Just a thought.


Just haven a laugh guys, don't get all serious.

Bobbin
WA, 122 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:13PM
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Why don't you just **** of back to kindergarten looser. There yah go get your rocks of on my comment looser.
Grow up grow a pair.

Laurie grow a pair and get rid of this looser he is affecting your business.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
23 Jan 2020 10:35PM
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Sorry to correct you, but Im a loser, not a looser.
All in good fun mate, sorry to annoy you.

Bobbin
WA, 122 posts
23 Jan 2020 7:58PM
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Easy to feed the troll.
Your not sorry as your profile states.

JB
NSW, 2232 posts
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24 Jan 2020 8:08AM
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Wow, great thread (mainly).

Anyway, getting back to the original question. I say "Yes". I learned to windsurf on a Windsurfer OD when I was 10 years old over 30 tears ago which sparked a life long obsession with wind sports. I am now down/over here in Adelaide at the Nationals racing after about a 15 years break (from the Wally).

As someone who ride neatly every day, I hydrofoil on Windsurf, Kite, Surf, Wing and DW, plus wave sail, slalom. I am also a kiter who's won some titles and ride at an acceptable level, I sailed for years on MJ, Laser, J24, Adams 10 then 505's. I surf all craft from performance shortboards to 10' loggers. I have to say coming back to the Windsurfer this week has been amazing, just as I remembered it just faster, and more performance.

Windsurfer is possibly the hardest and easiest sport out there, which is totally mind blowing. I say easy because yes, anyone can jump onboard and with a little tuition be sailing (real sailing). But then there's the technical aspect of it in the more advanced side of it. All of the biggest fleets in the world are not necessarily the "highest performing" in some peoples eyes, but they are all classes that reward excellent sailing skills, wind knowledge and a tactical mind. These classes that draw hundreds instead of tens to their regatta's aren't bringing the numbers because of exotic materials and ultra light weights or yearly reviewed and advanced designs, but because they have a tried and proven design that can seperate the fleet through the only means that matters - The Individual.

Windsurfer teaches you to sail with precision as every mistake costs you big, but good sailing rewards you well. Yesterday was my 5th sail on the Windsurfer LT and I am very impressed with how well it performs. Yes the racing was postponed due to the conditions, it was solid out the back. I was getting wind reading in the 20-25kn mark on the beach, and it felt like there was another 10+kn outside the reef, so trying conditions for most sailors. Locals were blasting around on 4.2's. Yes there was some difficulty launching even the IRB yesterday to do the wind check. The chest high shore break (at times) and dead onshore wind proved be quite hazardous and basically making launch of the quarter cab tinnies near impossible. But it was awesome to watch much of the fleet get out there anyway and blast around in the epic conditions.

Being a bit rusty, my skills levels are probably not the best to decide off, but I am accustomed to riding in strong winds and not sheepish to try. My initial attempt to Sail at midday was near impossible to hold out the back with my guess of 35kn winds in the gusts. After returning to grab my foil and Wing-Surfer and a fun session raking for weed, I returned to the Wally for an epic afternoon session in probably somewhere between 15-30kn - Soo much fun. It has confirmed to me that I will be leaving a Windsurfer LT in my quiver moving forwards especially for the Downwinding aspect (which I was not expecting - crap loads of fun riding bumps DW).

Anyway, again a big "YES" to being the best thing that has happened to Windsurfing in a long time.

Here's a bit of my kook session yesterday in pretty gnarly conditions (doesn't look it from the GoPro).



Disclaimer - Yes I work for Windgenuity.

Ride safe,

JB



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