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Old sails vs new-ish sails = less power?

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Created by nosinkanow > 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2010
Flipper11
VIC, 356 posts
14 Mar 2010 12:39PM
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IRL250 said:



Have you forgotten totally about KA Sails ?? As far as i know most the testing done for these sails is in Australia

Flipper dude said:

I know the Ka Koncept and Koyota are tested at Ricketts point in port phillip bay, but the wave sails i am not sure where there tested

Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
14 Mar 2010 2:10PM
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a bit of digging will show that KA has team riders all over the world using the gear in a huge variety of conditions and commenting on it.

Flipper11
VIC, 356 posts
14 Mar 2010 4:56PM
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Gestalt said...

a bit of digging will show that KA has team riders all over the world using the gear in a huge variety of conditions and commenting on it.


I went to visit Ka once and spoke to them in person. I asked a guy working there where do you test yours sails he told me just at Ricketts point. They do let guys demo there gear around the world, but this guy was saying the main testing is done at there local beach up the road at Ricketts.

Next time your in melbourne drop by Gestalt and have a chat to them, there a great bunch of guys and will let you demo there sails.

Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
14 Mar 2010 4:21PM
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i'd love to drop into KA and say hi,

i've had lots of conversations with AMAC over the phone. early days of organising the speed comp i dealt with nick a lot. always enjoy the chat, i agree they are great guys.

and of course martin, who's around here somewhere is always helpfull and may even have a definitive answer for you. he's a top bloke as well..... crawl crawl.

mr love
VIC, 2352 posts
14 Mar 2010 5:45PM
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Jerry, It,s probably me you are refering too, can't say I recall saying we only test at Ricketts, there's Team sailors all around the world giving us input. I sail there alot though as i have lived in Beaumaris/Sandringham all my life and am still 5 minutes up the road.
The first time proto's hit the water is generally at Ricketts as AMAC is literally just around the corner. We rush down with the new sails like excited 8 year olds with new toys, it,s a bit sad really to see two 50 + men behave this way!
It,s a good spot with a great crew of regulars. I have sailed there for 40 years, I joined Beaumaris Yacht Club when I was 10. Pretty sure myself and a bunch of Yacht Club mates and maybe AMAC where the first guy's to ever windsurf there. AMAC was the young wild Moth sailor back then and he is still at it currently in Dubai running 3rd in the World Championships.
Man he is a legend!!!

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8019 posts
14 Mar 2010 5:47PM
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Gestalt said...

i'd love to drop into KA and say hi,

i've had lots of conversations with AMAC over the phone. early days of organising the speed comp i dealt with nick a lot. always enjoy the chat, i agree they are great guys.

and of course martin, who's around here somewhere is always helpfull and may even have a definitive answer for you. he's a top bloke as well..... crawl crawl.

I'll vouch for Martin he just gave me a brilliant 6.6m KA sail! Can hardly wait to get my new booms & try it..

mr love
VIC, 2352 posts
14 Mar 2010 6:08PM
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No worries Sue. You seem so increadibly passionate about getting back into Windsurfing but appeared to be struggling on an older style cammed sail. I had that 08 Koncept in my trailer and it wasn't being used so it seemed pretty obvious to me that I should offer it to you. I really hope you enjoy it.
I don't want to put any pressure on you though but that sail has done 42+ knots! Ha!!!

Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
14 Mar 2010 5:32PM
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mr love said...

We rush down with the new sails like excited 8 year olds with new toys, it,s a bit sad really to see two 50 + men behave this way!


hmm, it upsets me to hear you behaving this way. i think you should send the sails up to me and i'll be the excited 8 year old.,

that's just the type of thing i'd do for a mate.


mkseven
QLD, 2314 posts
14 Mar 2010 5:44PM
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Dunno which is better, the s### fight or that any topic about sails on this site has to contain some BS about KA from the groupies

... no wait, the fighting was at least something different

Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
14 Mar 2010 5:54PM
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that's one red thumb from me MK. i'd say any mention of KA in this thread is topical.

Mark _australia
WA, 22392 posts
14 Mar 2010 3:59PM
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I haven't even sledged NP yet MK!!!

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
14 Mar 2010 7:03PM
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loose leach sails are made for men who have lady like features,how do the big boys go with these sails,

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8019 posts
14 Mar 2010 8:31PM
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mr love said...

No worries Sue. You seem so increadibly passionate about getting back into Windsurfing but appeared to be struggling on an older style cammed sail. I had that 08 Koncept in my trailer and it wasn't being used so it seemed pretty obvious to me that I should offer it to you. I really hope you enjoy it.
I don't want to put any pressure on you though but that sail has done 42+ knots! Ha!!!

Well it will enjoy the easy life with me ..prob not over 20kts..

Flipper11
VIC, 356 posts
14 Mar 2010 9:33PM
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Martain i spoke to that guy who works in the ware house section cant rememer his name dude. But i did speak to you on the phone a while ago about a broken cam and you sent me a full set straight away for free wich i think is great service.
The new cams are so much better they make my Koncept feel like a new sail

Mrgob
116 posts
14 Mar 2010 6:48PM
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What's with you Windsuffering? Do you eat a box of nails for breakfast and wrestle with an elephant?

It takes sufficient Mojo to blast above 35 knots, loose leech notwithstanding, though I concede you may just hurtle past with your wet army blanket rigged on a galvanised drainpipe! (Oooh I do so admire you )

Mark _australia
WA, 22392 posts
14 Mar 2010 7:08PM
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Windsuffering = Flipper 11

Very Brucie of you

Flipper11
VIC, 356 posts
14 Mar 2010 10:16PM
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i gave windsufering that red thumb talk about a weirdo, that guy is worse at been a troll than me even

Thought you were smarter than that Mark i dont write like that mate

Gestalt
QLD, 14393 posts
14 Mar 2010 9:31PM
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Flipper11 said...

i gave windsufering that red thumb talk about a weirdo, that guy is worse at been a troll than me even

Thought you were smarter than that Mark i dont write like that mate


so are you saying you don't have other avatars on seabreeze

Flipper11
VIC, 356 posts
14 Mar 2010 11:18PM
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wich ones did ya think were me?? i would' nt mind been as famous as brucie tho oneday he has all the girls he wants, dam

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8019 posts
14 Mar 2010 11:46PM
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Mark _australia said...

Windsuffering = Flipper 11

Very Brucie of you

I was suss when I noticed he'd only been here a week or so & had 44 posts a week!

Flipper11
VIC, 356 posts
15 Mar 2010 12:15AM
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sboardcrazy said...

Mark _australia said...

Windsuffering = Flipper 11

Very Brucie of you

I was suss when I noticed he'd only been here a week or so & had 44 posts a week!




sure, just cause a new guy turns up, you all think it is me, I am not jokeing, it's not me, ok, and I would never say the things this guy has said so far on seabreeze.

Mark _australia
WA, 22392 posts
14 Mar 2010 9:27PM
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How about already harassing King of The Point in the other thread here 5mins ago?


Flipper11 said...

UM KING OF THE POINT WE ARE WAITING! WESTY GO GET KING OF THE POINT,DUDE


That sounds pretty Windwarning / Windsufering / Mr Windsurf to me

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
15 Mar 2010 12:30AM
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what happens if you dont want the leach to open up you are stuffed

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
15 Mar 2010 12:32AM
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this is a forum i will say what i like if you dont like it get stuffed

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
15 Mar 2010 12:35AM
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when i started i had one sail one mast one boom and a large surf board screwed the mast step on added some foot straps and i had fun and it was never windy enough you guys wont go out unless you have hair products on

Flipper11
VIC, 356 posts
15 Mar 2010 12:52AM
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Mrgob
116 posts
15 Mar 2010 1:57AM
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Sorry Windsuffering, but I don't see the point that you are making. If you wish to use a single rig then do so. Most others it seems do not!

Most of us are a little conservative and mistrust change, but it's pointless to take things to extremes. When loose leech sails were introduced I remember falling about laughing at the sight of a Pryde sail so downhauled that the top was flapping almost at right angles to the rest of the sail!

It looked absurd but, as ever, any new concept will be taken to extremes at first introduction, before settling back to a genuine level of progress. (Teardrop boards were a further example, though cutaway sails were a dead end.)

Sails are now so tuned that I still maintain the bottom end of a good twist leech sail is little inferior to that of a tight leeched sail PROVIDED you rig a little bigger! That is no contradiction to me since it will feel lighter in the hands, and have a far superior top end.

mkseven
QLD, 2314 posts
15 Mar 2010 8:57AM
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Mark _australia said...

I haven't even sledged NP yet MK!!!


Sledge away- there are plenty of threads where ive done the same.

Personally ive started going for what works best for me- no point sticking with brands if they dont give you all you're after. Look at how many competitive sailors have been disadvantaged when the brand they're provided isn't as good 1 year to the next.

The groupies can red thumb all they like but geez the guys that are paid to sail the gear arent as fanatical as half of you guys. There are other sails out there & dare i say some may even be better than Ka. Obviously the feel of gear people ride must be very personal.

There are actual sail designers & testers on this forum that could have really worthwhile input but why would they when it turns into a ka gangbang in every thread. I initially thought it was a local thing & thought great support aussie product but ben doesnt have the same fanbase yet is arguably putting out better albeit more expensive product.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
15 Mar 2010 10:17PM
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sailing up wind pointing high a gust comes the leach area opens up sail area decreasing and your telling me i am going faster . The sail has more power than a tight leach. i suggest you experts learn to sail up wind

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
15 Mar 2010 11:31PM
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windsufering said...

this is a forum i will say what i like if you dont like it get stuffed


Only within reason my friend, only within reason...



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