And the same day Antoine Albeau broke his Neilpryde mast just before the race...
Neilpryde must have a crap quality too
I'm not sure if you are new to the internet, but generally speaking there is an unwritten rule with most forums, that being a 'newbie' doesn't start posting controversial or denigratory threads and posts soon after joining. It's ill mannered and usually entails in the poster getting labeled a troll. Seabreeze (well the w/surf section) is a nice, chilled out forum and doesn't generally indulge trolls. Your behaviour is 'troll-like'. You are lacking in credibility and this explains Severne Sails response.
If you think a products reliability is questionable. that's fine, people will quite happily discuss that with you, but posting up something like:
"Severne masts are sh!t and break all the time. Discuss"
That will only earn you ridicule. Next time you want to post something that you think may be controversial, put a little bit more time and effort into your posts and you will be rewarded with courteous replies.
Now that I've changed to RDM I no longer worry about masts, not saying they wont break, but albeit reduced risk
wont stop me from buying severne either high end equipment breaks.
you just have to accept that and get on with it.
note. i have broken four pryde x6 masts. all just above the boom.
such is life..
100% carbon masts have been breaking since they first came out in the early nineties.
All the brands break and no ones come up with the technology to solve the problem.
Dont leave fully downhauled mast in the sun when its hot helps.
shouldnt this thread be removed, severne doesnt deserve this bagging out, what about NORTHSAILS some of there 100% masts were snapping, and booms, and their boards...
stuff breaks, and severne has always replaced broken stuff straight away...
so how about talk about the warranty replacement that severne has.
but we like b*tching about stuff like this
I'm sorry but Severne are pretty ballsy when it comes to a 2 year unconditional warranty.
Googling "Cari Sveltma" seems to get zero hits... so whatever she's been doing all her life, she's kept a low profile... which is odd considering that she's just charged into this forum like a bull in a china shop....
As a former Severne employee, I am somewhat disappointed to see the brand being denigrated by a mysterious stranger. Especially after my ground breaking 2010 Campaign was started on this very forum...
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Position-Vacant-Severne-Sails-Graphic-Designer-4/
I think Severne are doing more in Australia than all other brands supporting the keen local sailors. So well done for that. The sails are 1st class so keep the chin up. I am looking forward to chasing the red team all over our bays. cheers Russ
Why do masts break so much ? not just severne but in general . There are alot of other things made of carbon that dont just let go yet in windsurfing it seems to be accepted as normal . Ive broken 5 masts in 2 years and only 2 of them were from crashing .
^^^ They break because carbon is stiff and strong, but it is brittle and not designed to bend back n forth to a great degree many times. It also does not like to be dropped in the carpark (unseen miscroscopic weakening)
100% carbon race masts are the dumbest idea ever for average sailors as they are destined to fail.
They are the greatest idea ever for pro sailors as they have awesome reflex response and are light.
Carbon bikes, tennis raquets and supercars are a different kettle of fish as they don't bend back n forth sh!tloads like our masts.
Full carbon boards for wave of B&J, no thanks. Mostly glass, and a bit of carbon/kevlar in those boards - hell yes.
Trouble is everyone thinks carbon is the duck's nuts but it is not. Usage dictates the material
The reply by Severne has them admitting they have a problem with their mast so I don't think directing criticism towards myself or others for commenting on this is warranted. The main issue is that Severne stated there was a batch issue, the problem had been sorted and they had moved on but that is obviously not the case. Here is the link www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/Broken-mast-epidemic/
Even more worrying is comment 5 in this link from 2009. So the problem is a long term problem? http://forums.boards.mpora.com/showthread.php/52732-severne-masts-compatibility
This is from the Severne website "Every mast is electronically tested ensuring the bend curve and hand crafted quality meets the standard set by the Severne Hardware Division."
A warranty is great if you break 1 mast a year but it is useless if you break one every week as you may wait months for a replacement and who should pay for the sail repair? If a product has a history of breaking and the rider is injured or killed then the company should be held liable, is this not possible?
CarisM said
"The reply by Severne has them admitting they have a problem with their mast so I don't think directing criticism towards myself or others for commenting on this is warranted. The main issue is that Severne stated there was a batch issue, the problem had been sorted and they had moved on but that is obviously not the case"
Perhaps some education is in order for a newbie trying to learn about the sport.
A very cool sport which i strongly encourage you to do more of - cos wind surfing is one of the coolest things you can do - its like flying - but only cms off the water!
The mast situation is a little more involved than you make out - i hope this helps you make some sense of how the real world works
You should understand that most brands dont just have a "mast"
They actually have a full range of masts - from price point low carbon - right through to high spec / hi performance (and usually a higher price tag)
You have been consistently referring to a batch problem on the Hi Spec race mast- which is Known as the Enigma (a batch problem that has now been worked through in Australia with new layup replacement masts provided )
and using that to indicate the whole range of masts has a problem - this is not the case
The Wave masts are rock solid (These are Gorilla and Red line models - they tend to be RDM or reduced diameter masts)
In Australia Severne tend to have a batch of key sailors at all the marquee locations - often places with big powerful waves like Margaret River or the NW desert (google "Eneabba") - In fact there are a lot of Severne sailors at these locations- and these sorts of conditions will occasionally break any mast - no matter what brand or model
- but mast breakage these days in waves of consequence is a relatively rare event - even in these heavy wave conditions. Compare that to 12 years ago with heavy SDM (standard diameter) masts - virtually every mast high wipeout would result in a snapped mast.
The Mid/ high Spec SDM Blueline masts (75%Carbon ) have also been good performers and breakage has been less than you would expect compared to background breakage rate (this is the rate of masts breakage that all masts / brands / models are subject to due to wear and tear / damage in transit / heavy catapults / getting avalanched in huge waves / UV degradation etc etc)