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Forums > Windsurfing General

Severne quality control?

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Created by CariS > 9 months ago, 3 Oct 2012
barn
WA, 2960 posts
8 Oct 2012 10:27AM
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CariS said...
The reply by Severne has them admitting they have a problem with their mast so I don't think directing criticism towards myself or others for commenting on this is warranted.


Severne make more than one mast, as do every company. You're not at the level where you should be worried about this stuff. You're either unaware of the vast differences in masts or just trolling/slandering. I personally think it's the former, because if it's an attempt at the latter then it's a really bad one.

Don't bother playing the victim. You're on the internet, and you're a little out of your depth. It could have been worse.




A warranty is great if you break 1 mast a year but it is useless if you break one every week as you may wait months for a replacement and who should pay for the sail repair? If a product has a history of breaking and the rider is injured or killed then the company should be held liable, is this not possible?


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doggie
WA, 15849 posts
8 Oct 2012 12:35PM
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^^ Gold barn

stringer
WA, 703 posts
8 Oct 2012 1:20PM
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A MESSAGE FOR cARIS

evlPanda
NSW, 9205 posts
8 Oct 2012 4:37PM
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stehsegler said...
jusavina said...
And the same day Antoine Albeau broke his Neilpryde mast just before the race...
Neilpryde must have a crap quality too


I it was the same day that my espresso machine broke as well... maybe it's something in the water. Perhaps the world will end in 2012 after all.


Same day I broke wind.

Simon100
QLD, 490 posts
8 Oct 2012 4:46PM
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Mobydisc said...
Simon100 said...

i just cant help but think there must be a better way


Use strings instead of a pole



Red thumb me for this one please.



its a fair comment i actually almost changed over after breaking 2 masts in a row for absolutely no reason .

Cant a company make a mast that is just really reliable even if it costs as much as the 100% carbon model and weighs a bit more .

DunkO
NSW, 1147 posts
8 Oct 2012 6:36PM
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Simon100 said...
Mobydisc said...
Simon100 said...

i just cant help but think there must be a better way


Use strings instead of a pole



Red thumb me for this one please.



its a fair comment i actually almost changed over after breaking 2 masts in a row for absolutely no reason .

Cant a company make a mast that is just really reliable even if it costs as much as the 100% carbon model and weighs a bit more .



they do.... it's stronger a bit heavier and less performing.....and cheaper!
lower carbon content.

it's all a compromise.

personally a well made, not full carbon, rdm, with decent wall thickness (and consistent wall thickness) is the go

dan berry
WA, 2562 posts
8 Oct 2012 4:00PM
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In theory if you put any mast in a certain situation it'll break. Pretty much all the mast across the board are better these days. You don't see anywhere the breakages you used to.
I feel for severne with the bad batch situation ( whatever mast it was). I remember fibrespar had a similar situation years back. I did 13 in a season. So I can agree that it does happen.
I can't remember the last mast I broke recently to be honest

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
8 Oct 2012 6:54PM
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Simon100 said...
Mobydisc said...
Simon100 said...

i just cant help but think there must be a better way


Use strings instead of a pole



Red thumb me for this one please.



its a fair comment i actually almost changed over after breaking 2 masts in a row for absolutely no reason .

Cant a company make a mast that is just really reliable even if it costs as much as the 100% carbon model and weighs a bit more .


That's the brief for RDM race masts.

slalomfreak
NSW, 304 posts
8 Oct 2012 9:09PM
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Well nobody in the ws industry actually makes anything themselves do they?
Its a third party,subbie supplier/factory in China or wherever that makes masts and sails for a bunch of brands and they then put that particular brands sticker on the mast.
All price driven me thinks with limited control of the final product by the brand.
Board reliability has also improved out of sight in the last 10 years,its about time masts caught up.

busterwa
3777 posts
8 Oct 2012 6:44PM
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Thanks Caris I believe that if your unhappy with a product or if a purchased product is malfunctioning or not doing the designated job it supposed to do STAY CLEAR.

I have nothing against Severne they have some wonderful products and there sails are great. Just over paying for equipment that not quite up to scratch..

No only windsurfing gear but all other products made by manufacturers that are possibly under engineered.. Its a pet hate of mine spending money on something that's garbage faulty .

The proof is in the footage. . Pull your finger out Severne. Id be pissed if that happened to me.

Mark _australia
WA, 22887 posts
8 Oct 2012 10:58PM
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slalomfreak said...
Board reliability has also improved out of sight in the last 10 years,its about time masts caught up.


I would say quite the opposite!

I see boards broken where there is glass that has not been fully wet out - and that is unforgivable when it is done by hand - it is pure slackness. And guess what, the board breaks out of warranty so they don't care. It is luck of the draw buying a board made my Cobra, some will last 5yrs of hard jumping and others of same model break after 2yrs of flat water sailing.

I see RDM masts that are unbreakable - yes I know we were talking 100% race masts in SDM, but given wavesailors used to break a mast or ten every season and now many people have not broken a mast for a LONG time, the new RDM's are fkn superb.

Maybe it is the case that once a month sailors need to realise they don't need a 100% race mast....... and also that they can't knock it around .......buy the 75% alternative and treat it nice and you will not have a problem.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
10 Oct 2012 3:12PM
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Mark _australia said...
slalomfreak said...
Board reliability has also improved out of sight in the last 10 years,its about time masts caught up.


I would say quite the opposite!

I see boards broken where there is glass that has not been fully wet out - and that is unforgivable when it is done by hand - it is pure slackness. And guess what, the board breaks out of warranty so they don't care. It is luck of the draw buying a board made my Cobra, some will last 5yrs of hard jumping and others of same model break after 2yrs of flat water sailing.

I see RDM masts that are unbreakable - yes I know we were talking 100% race masts in SDM, but given wavesailors used to break a mast or ten every season and now many people have not broken a mast for a LONG time, the new RDM's are fkn superb.

Maybe it is the case that once a month sailors need to realise they don't need a 100% race mast....... and also that they can't knock it around .......buy the 75% alternative and treat it nice and you will not have a problem.





From first hand experience I totally agree with Mark's assessment.

W3TT3R
7 posts
7 Aug 2013 4:22AM
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Hi, I just found this thread... I'm thinking about buying a used Severne Enigma from 2012 - how can I make sure it isn't from the faulty batch?

SeanAUS120
QLD, 759 posts
7 Aug 2013 5:29PM
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Simon100 said..

I have seen a ridiculous number of the severne masts break , wouldn't you stop selling the faulty batch rather than replacing faulty ones with more faulty ones . so is it just the masts or a combination of the masts and booms ?


It's not that simple ... Because there are just as many masts in the 'suspect' batches that aren't breaking.

For example I am currently using all masts from 2012, supposedly the ones that break. They have a slightly thinner wall thickness than the 2013 Enigmas and make the sail breathe a little more in highwind. I've broken 1 mast out of the 9 I have and I've probably done +200 hours on all of them.

PS, the video of Bjorn is sick! Windsurfing needs some more epic carnage videos like that... Sylt has extremely heavy swells you are running over (even in light winds like that race was) so it's pretty brutal on the gear. I would imagine Bjorn would take a lighter mast over a stronger mast any day of the week. I would.







timm
WA, 31 posts
7 Aug 2013 4:13PM
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I wouldnt, I have to pay for my gear

ka43
NSW, 3082 posts
7 Aug 2013 9:23PM
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Your friggin' kidding right????
A mast breaks and its all out slather on a brand. What a load of bull****!!! Yeah, it looks spectacular but it happens just like Forrest Gump says.
most manufacturers have masts break, be it on flat water, surf or rigging up.
Does your car last forever with no parts need replacing???
Do any of your electronic devices stuff up?? Need repairing?? Need replacing??
If you look at windsurfing being an extreme sport and the breakages it incurs then compare it to your everyday modern world and still think we have it bad then give yourself an uppercut and a glass of cement.

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
9 Aug 2013 10:15PM
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Glassed to blast
Glassed to last

What is the happy compromise ........... 90% blast 10% last ...... 10% good or bad luck ?????

100% blast and 100% last the ultimate goal for any designer

Budget and $$$$$$ = is the compromise to performance ,,,, taking away the human skill factor.

Remember cutting edge design and technology and materials are always going to fail and will never be any match to the elements of earth fire and water

Carnt wait for the full set of Severne stuff for 13/14

What ever happened to aluminium anyway



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