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The new Windsurfer LT Reviewed in detail

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Created by albymongrel > 9 months ago, 9 Apr 2018
John340
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28 Aug 2018 4:59PM
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Chris 249 said..


John340 said..



Chris 249 said..
It was as serious (or as much of a piss-take) as your claim that you need big cahounas for GPS speedsailing.





Chris, I didn't bite after your response, because danger and associated courage, is very individual. However Detlev's recent narrative below, comes very close to what I was alluding to.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/What-am-I-doing-here-?page=1#6




That's a nice write-up, but honestly, it still doesn't really seem that GPS speedsailing needs bigger kahunas than lots of other ways to sail.



My comment was not comparative and made no judgement to the size of cahonas required for other windsurfing deciplines

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
28 Aug 2018 5:14PM
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This thread is about the windsurfer Lt , why are you discussing the size of your balls.
take it to GPS windsurfing thread .

Chris 249
NSW, 3350 posts
28 Aug 2018 6:23PM
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John340 said..

Chris 249 said..



John340 said..




Chris 249 said..
It was as serious (or as much of a piss-take) as your claim that you need big cahounas for GPS speedsailing.






Chris, I didn't bite after your response, because danger and associated courage, is very individual. However Detlev's recent narrative below, comes very close to what I was alluding to.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/What-am-I-doing-here-?page=1#6





That's a nice write-up, but honestly, it still doesn't really seem that GPS speedsailing needs bigger kahunas than lots of other ways to sail.




My comment was not comparative and made no judgement to the size of cahonas required for other windsurfing deciplines


Fair enough.

John340
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28 Aug 2018 10:01PM
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windsufering said..
This thread is about the windsurfer Lt , why are you discussing the size of your balls.
take it to GPS windsurfing thread .


If you follow the thread it makes sense, however I'm more than happy to leave you to your evolutionary dead end.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
29 Aug 2018 3:40AM
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Nearly 200 windsurfer lt have been sold in Aust , I don't think it's a evolutionary dead end .

albymongrel
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30 Aug 2018 4:45PM
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30 Aug 2018 4:51PM
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NelsonFoils
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31 Aug 2018 6:50PM
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Father(also son of his father ) and son

windsufering
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1 Sep 2018 12:16PM
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Windsurfing began in the 70s as a new form of sailing, opening the door for the masses on lakes, bays, and oceans. But when the focus turned toward big wind and big waves, the technical growth in skill and equipment came at the expense of overall growth. If you weren't on the cutting edge, you weren't windsurfing.

Among the efforts to connect again with the larger sailing public is the new Windsurfer LT which has a lighter design and increased volume for it to be a very user-friendly board for the masses. With this type of board, this could be the key that is needed to give windsurfing its much-deserved comeback in light wind conditions.

Follow along as Windsurfing World Champion Matt Schweitzer, whose parents designed and built the Windsurfing brand, checks in with his past.

scuttlebutt sailing

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
1 Sep 2018 3:32PM
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DEAR WINDSURFER "The Original windsurfer class was where it all started back in 1967. There is an unparalleled amount of global engagement and connection with this class, created by Diane and Hoyle Schweitzer with a board concept developed by Jim Drake. Bruce Wylie, who entered the Windsurfing event in Santa Barbara while I sailed in the Olympics on the more "sophisticated " Winglider, has redesigned the Windsurfer and it's now a wonderful allround board suited also for heavier people. The board is stable, glides particularly nice in light winds and shoots into planing mode with ease. With its daggerboard it goes upwind really well. Tilt it a bit backwards and it can be handled in high-wind upwind. It freestyles with excellence and rail-rides are hereby back in trend. I really enjoy sailing this board and see it as a way to get clubs around the world introducing a board which works for entry level sailing, with the plastic daggerboard, and club racing with the composite daggerboard. Back in the days, the main campaign for the windsurfer was "DO IT STANDING UP" and this board even is good at stand up paddling." Svein Rasmussen, Starboard's chief innovator

ka43
NSW, 3075 posts
1 Sep 2018 5:58PM
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windsufering
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6 Sep 2018 8:22PM
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REDISCOVER THE WONDERS OF WINDSURFING
The new Windsurfer is floatier, faster, more stable and a huge step forward as the 50 year gap would indicate. It will help you rediscover the wonders of windsurfing through its focus on light and shifty winds. The Windsurfer LT brings back what made the sport accessible and exciting for most people, most places on most days.

RichardG
WA, 3749 posts
6 Sep 2018 6:29PM
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windsufering said..
http://www.star-board-windsurfing.com/2019/boards-2019/windsurfer-lt/
Starboard loves the Wally



Because we must.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
6 Sep 2018 8:46PM
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Wait untill the sailing season starts !!!
40 + plus boards on start lines

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
10 Sep 2018 2:21PM
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Interesting read
www.boatdesign.net/threads/comeback-of-the-windsurfer.60991/
windsurfer Lt making windsurfing great again !

JezPerth
WA, 15 posts
17 Sep 2018 4:42PM
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Good review Al :)

I see you also sail F2 Lightning. How does the LT compare with that?

I've just got an early 90's F2 Lightning into the water for the first time yesterday .. at Lucky Bay, Applecross, WA.

Was maybe 15 knots gusting 20 .. which I hadn't been expecting .. and felt overpowered with 7.5sqm Pilot .. but I hadn't sailed in a couple of years and even then I was just easing back into the sport after many years absence.

I was amazed by how stable the Lighting was at speed. Really looking forward to using it a lot more.

I'd been thinking about trying to get an old Windsurfer OD rig so that I can perhaps do the course racing with the new LT's that are arriving in Perth soon. But I'm also wondering whether to just take the plunge and order a complete LT board and rig. I used to love one design racing back in NZ in the early 80's with the Superstar .. so I'm very excited to see one design racing possibly kicking into gear in Perth. Just hope it starts before the Freo Doctor starts blowing! .. Though from your review I gather that you think it will handle 20+ knots

Anyway, enough rambling from me .. look forward to hearing what you (or anyone else) think about Lightning vs LT.

albymongrel
NSW, 257 posts
18 Sep 2018 11:12AM
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JezPerth said..
Good review Al :)

I see you also sail F2 Lightning. How does the LT compare with that?

I've just got an early 90's F2 Lightning into the water for the first time yesterday .. at Lucky Bay, Applecross, WA.

Was maybe 15 knots gusting 20 .. which I hadn't been expecting .. and felt overpowered with 7.5sqm Pilot .. but I hadn't sailed in a couple of years and even then I was just easing back into the sport after many years absence.

I was amazed by how stable the Lighting was at speed. Really looking forward to using it a lot more.

I'd been thinking about trying to get an old Windsurfer OD rig so that I can perhaps do the course racing with the new LT's that are arriving in Perth soon. But I'm also wondering whether to just take the plunge and order a complete LT board and rig. I used to love one design racing back in NZ in the early 80's with the Superstar .. so I'm very excited to see one design racing possibly kicking into gear in Perth. Just hope it starts before the Freo Doctor starts blowing! .. Though from your review I gather that you think it will handle 20+ knots

Anyway, enough rambling from me .. look forward to hearing what you (or anyone else) think about Lightning vs LT.



Hey Jez,
to be honest, I haven't ridden my F2 for about a year. Was riding either an original Windsurfer or 85 Mistral Competition Superlight most of the time until I got my LT.

These three boards with a wider tail than the Lightning, go better for a given sail size in lighter winds in my opinion. Also a little more stable in lighter winds and more readily manouverable for mucking around freestyle moves. With these boards I generally only use the standard sized windsurfer sail 5.7 m whereas with the lightning I usually used an 8.5m.

The lightning is definitely better than the old Wally and maybe the mistral as the wind picks up above 12-15 knots and good to lock into the straps and harness and lock in. The Wally becomes a handful over 15knots, the mistral over 20.

compared to the LT, in 20 knots 8.5 on lightning and 5.7 on LT, I'd say similar handling with maybe the lightning handling rougher water better.

in 25 knots plus I'd say the lightning is better and handles the chop well with narrower nose but don't underestimate the LT as it behaves very well in stronger winds iF the sail is set right - particularly is water is not too choppy.

i have used an 8.5 on the LT IN VERY LIGHT WINDS but not in stronger stuff.

i enjoy the simplicity of an easy to rig sail and only using one sail that has a wide wind range for the LT
the Windsurfer soft sail is a good match for the board.
the LT is a simple no thrills board that works in a wide variety of conditions which means not having to carry several rigs and boards when you head to the water for a day's sailing. As a one design, it ticks all the boxes.
the non slip deck surprisingly negates the need for footstraps to a degree, though, I think straps would be good for comfort when sailing in stronger winds for a few hours and you need to be more alert and shifting feet rather than the higher degree of control and locked in comfort afforded with straps.

ive been meaning to set up both on the beach and do a proper side by side comparison, I just haven't got around to it. I'm just enjoying riding the LT at the moment and preparing to spend the summer sailing with other one designs for a more social experience and compare myself to riders on identical equipment. That has me enthusiastic about my sailing again. Never considered myself a racer but decided it was good to set some new challenges for myself.

not quite ready to give up the lightning yet though...

thats is my ramble, hope it helps

at the current prices, you really can't go wrong with buying an LT complete with rig and join the Windsurfer Class Association and get into some club racing to hone your skills.
cheers, Al

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
18 Sep 2018 4:12PM
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2019 Windsurfer Class Australian Championships

The WCAA invites competitors, families and supporters to the waters of Lake Macquaire for the 42nd Windsurfer Australian Championships.

Location: Toronto Amateur Sailing Club, Toronto, NSW
Date: 24th January - 27th January 2019

Gestalt
QLD, 14394 posts
18 Sep 2018 5:56PM
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Great news. Any thoughts on where everyone is staying.

Gestalt
QLD, 14394 posts
19 Sep 2018 1:09PM
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I've had a look on google maps and there seems to be some limitations with accommodation.

JezPerth
WA, 15 posts
19 Sep 2018 11:56AM
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albymongrel said..

JezPerth said..
Good review Al :)

I see you also sail F2 Lightning. How does the LT compare with that?

I've just got an early 90's F2 Lightning into the water for the first time yesterday .. at Lucky Bay, Applecross, WA.

Was maybe 15 knots gusting 20 .. which I hadn't been expecting .. and felt overpowered with 7.5sqm Pilot .. but I hadn't sailed in a couple of years and even then I was just easing back into the sport after many years absence.

I was amazed by how stable the Lighting was at speed. Really looking forward to using it a lot more.

I'd been thinking about trying to get an old Windsurfer OD rig so that I can perhaps do the course racing with the new LT's that are arriving in Perth soon. But I'm also wondering whether to just take the plunge and order a complete LT board and rig. I used to love one design racing back in NZ in the early 80's with the Superstar .. so I'm very excited to see one design racing possibly kicking into gear in Perth. Just hope it starts before the Freo Doctor starts blowing! .. Though from your review I gather that you think it will handle 20+ knots

Anyway, enough rambling from me .. look forward to hearing what you (or anyone else) think about Lightning vs LT.




Hey Jez,
to be honest, I haven't ridden my F2 for about a year. Was riding either an original Windsurfer or 85 Mistral Competition Superlight most of the time until I got my LT.

These three boards with a wider tail than the Lightning, go better for a given sail size in lighter winds in my opinion. Also a little more stable in lighter winds and more readily manouverable for mucking around freestyle moves. With these boards I generally only use the standard sized windsurfer sail 5.7 m whereas with the lightning I usually used an 8.5m.

The lightning is definitely better than the old Wally and maybe the mistral as the wind picks up above 12-15 knots and good to lock into the straps and harness and lock in. The Wally becomes a handful over 15knots, the mistral over 20.

compared to the LT, in 20 knots 8.5 on lightning and 5.7 on LT, I'd say similar handling with maybe the lightning handling rougher water better.

in 25 knots plus I'd say the lightning is better and handles the chop well with narrower nose but don't underestimate the LT as it behaves very well in stronger winds iF the sail is set right - particularly is water is not too choppy.

i have used an 8.5 on the LT IN VERY LIGHT WINDS but not in stronger stuff.

i enjoy the simplicity of an easy to rig sail and only using one sail that has a wide wind range for the LT
the Windsurfer soft sail is a good match for the board.
the LT is a simple no thrills board that works in a wide variety of conditions which means not having to carry several rigs and boards when you head to the water for a day's sailing. As a one design, it ticks all the boxes.
the non slip deck surprisingly negates the need for footstraps to a degree, though, I think straps would be good for comfort when sailing in stronger winds for a few hours and you need to be more alert and shifting feet rather than the higher degree of control and locked in comfort afforded with straps.

ive been meaning to set up both on the beach and do a proper side by side comparison, I just haven't got around to it. I'm just enjoying riding the LT at the moment and preparing to spend the summer sailing with other one designs for a more social experience and compare myself to riders on identical equipment. That has me enthusiastic about my sailing again. Never considered myself a racer but decided it was good to set some new challenges for myself.

not quite ready to give up the lightning yet though...

thats is my ramble, hope it helps

at the current prices, you really can't go wrong with buying an LT complete with rig and join the Windsurfer Class Association and get into some club racing to hone your skills.
cheers, Al


Thanks Al.

Like you I'm very keen to get involved with the one design racing .. both for the social side and for the interest that triangle course racing brings (I do hope it will be the old triangle courses - though I don't know whether that's the case).

I'm waiting to hear from Greg about LT availability in his current batch. Almost ready to jump .. weighing up justification for the spend when I've got a slightly dodgy knee. Maybe a bit of gaffer tape will hold it together!

I'm also hoping that with the potential renewed interest in longboard racing that a "classic class" might start up alongside the LT's .. hopefully all racing together but perhaps considered separately in results. Not sure how that might work in terms of approved boards and sail types/sizes. I guess we'll see.

albymongrel
NSW, 257 posts
19 Sep 2018 7:22PM
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Gestalt said..
I've had a look on google maps and there seems to be some limitations with accommodation.


Hey Gesalt,
Association will have more info available in the coming weeks regarding accomodation with the NOR hopefully.

At this stage, there will likely be Unpowered camping along waterfront reserve left side of club (facing water) apparently council allows this (for sailing events only) for a small fee. Club will provide toilet and shower facilities (ground floor of club house) for campers.

There are several Apartment blocks and hotel within 200m - Brighton and Riva Apartments. Toronto Hotel Motel also has some very cheap ground level rooms with water views, very basic but cheap.

Catalina Motel is about 1 km away with some very good rooms (no views though)

check out air b&b's in area

also Toronto Caravan Park which may have very limited cabins.

nearest caravan park with holiday accom may be 30 minutes away

plenty of accom at Cardiff and Warner's Bay both no more than 20 mins away

get in early with bookings and you won't need a car. Train station at Fassifern links with a bus service that stops less than 100m from club.

RSL, HOTEL AND YACHT CLUB ALL WITHIN 200m Workers club 600m max.

2 supermarkets, heaps of cafes and restaurants etc etc all right there as well.

the more the merrier!

albymongrel
NSW, 257 posts
19 Sep 2018 7:32PM
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JezPerth said..

albymongrel said..


JezPerth said..
Good review Al :)

I see you also sail F2 Lightning. How does the LT compare with that?

I've just got an early 90's F2 Lightning into the water for the first time yesterday .. at Lucky Bay, Applecross, WA.

Was maybe 15 knots gusting 20 .. which I hadn't been expecting .. and felt overpowered with 7.5sqm Pilot .. but I hadn't sailed in a couple of years and even then I was just easing back into the sport after many years absence.

I was amazed by how stable the Lighting was at speed. Really looking forward to using it a lot more.

I'd been thinking about trying to get an old Windsurfer OD rig so that I can perhaps do the course racing with the new LT's that are arriving in Perth soon. But I'm also wondering whether to just take the plunge and order a complete LT board and rig. I used to love one design racing back in NZ in the early 80's with the Superstar .. so I'm very excited to see one design racing possibly kicking into gear in Perth. Just hope it starts before the Freo Doctor starts blowing! .. Though from your review I gather that you think it will handle 20+ knots

Anyway, enough rambling from me .. look forward to hearing what you (or anyone else) think about Lightning vs LT.





Hey Jez,
to be honest, I haven't ridden my F2 for about a year. Was riding either an original Windsurfer or 85 Mistral Competition Superlight most of the time until I got my LT.

These three boards with a wider tail than the Lightning, go better for a given sail size in lighter winds in my opinion. Also a little more stable in lighter winds and more readily manouverable for mucking around freestyle moves. With these boards I generally only use the standard sized windsurfer sail 5.7 m whereas with the lightning I usually used an 8.5m.

The lightning is definitely better than the old Wally and maybe the mistral as the wind picks up above 12-15 knots and good to lock into the straps and harness and lock in. The Wally becomes a handful over 15knots, the mistral over 20.

compared to the LT, in 20 knots 8.5 on lightning and 5.7 on LT, I'd say similar handling with maybe the lightning handling rougher water better.

in 25 knots plus I'd say the lightning is better and handles the chop well with narrower nose but don't underestimate the LT as it behaves very well in stronger winds iF the sail is set right - particularly is water is not too choppy.

i have used an 8.5 on the LT IN VERY LIGHT WINDS but not in stronger stuff.

i enjoy the simplicity of an easy to rig sail and only using one sail that has a wide wind range for the LT
the Windsurfer soft sail is a good match for the board.
the LT is a simple no thrills board that works in a wide variety of conditions which means not having to carry several rigs and boards when you head to the water for a day's sailing. As a one design, it ticks all the boxes.
the non slip deck surprisingly negates the need for footstraps to a degree, though, I think straps would be good for comfort when sailing in stronger winds for a few hours and you need to be more alert and shifting feet rather than the higher degree of control and locked in comfort afforded with straps.

ive been meaning to set up both on the beach and do a proper side by side comparison, I just haven't got around to it. I'm just enjoying riding the LT at the moment and preparing to spend the summer sailing with other one designs for a more social experience and compare myself to riders on identical equipment. That has me enthusiastic about my sailing again. Never considered myself a racer but decided it was good to set some new challenges for myself.

not quite ready to give up the lightning yet though...

thats is my ramble, hope it helps

at the current prices, you really can't go wrong with buying an LT complete with rig and join the Windsurfer Class Association and get into some club racing to hone your skills.
cheers, Al



Thanks Al.

Like you I'm very keen to get involved with the one design racing .. both for the social side and for the interest that triangle course racing brings (I do hope it will be the old triangle courses - though I don't know whether that's the case).

I'm waiting to hear from Greg about LT availability in his current batch. Almost ready to jump .. weighing up justification for the spend when I've got a slightly dodgy knee. Maybe a bit of gaffer tape will hold it together!

I'm also hoping that with the potential renewed interest in longboard racing that a "classic class" might start up alongside the LT's .. hopefully all racing together but perhaps considered separately in results. Not sure how that might work in terms of approved boards and sail types/sizes. I guess we'll see.


Hey Jez,

Triangle courses haven't been the norm for some time though I believe there may be some discussion about it.

When I did my knee, I used a cut off leg from an old wetsuit over my knee for some time to hold things together!

We will definitely be encouraging all classes of windsurfer with rigs as supplied originally.

yes they will be scored separately and prizes awarded for each of three categories and weight divisions etc to be fair to all classes.

more details over coming months on association website.

i believe Windgenuity still have a few complete kits available and will be shipping to Perth within the fortnight.

10% price rise once they are gone.

cheers, Al

jirvin4505
QLD, 1087 posts
15 Oct 2018 9:24AM
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Awesome day for windsurfer at sandstone point yesterday

talking to my mate tony .....

it it was going to be a big day!!

Went out on carve 141 and 7.8 loft race blade sail

wind came up ... everybody went in to downsize... decided to put the 7.8 race sail on the Wally LT

had the time of my life

able to to hang on - sailed out in the passage. Over the bounding swells

only as the water settled down came in and went out with the carve for a short arvo blast 29.6knts on the carve. Think the Wally LT did 25knts (iirc)

highlight of the arfternoon - fanging on the LT

www.ka72.com/Track/t/358344

The middle session is on is on the LT



Bone's
QLD, 195 posts
15 Oct 2018 10:25AM
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That was me, and it was so much more exciting than jeff made it out. First ride of the Lt and what a ripper, heaps of sail lots of rain pelting me in the face grin ear to ear big swell/chop occasionally wiping foot off the board, everthing tensed to the max! Even the sphinkter. Absolutely loved the new toy, even gybes brilliant.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
16 Oct 2018 3:11PM
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windsurferlt.com/dealers/
great read
windsurfer Lt available in North America now

polyfarlino
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17 Oct 2018 4:42PM
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THE ALL NEW WINDSURFER LT - AN INITIAL REVIEW AND FIRST IMPRESSIONS BY JUST AN AVERAGE WINDSURFER - not a champion, not a novice, just a lover of this sport of windsurfing who is just as happy cruising round in 5 knots as I am at 20 knots as long as I'm getting out there!
Hey Windsurfers,
I picked up my new Windsurfer LT today from Windgenuity along with a new blue sail (my old one design sail is a little crinkly and starting to de laminate - I figured I should show off this terrific new windsurfer in the best possible light!
The guys at Windgenuity we also wrapped about this board and very helpful. Had a quick peek inside the box but decided I had better get it home before unwrapping. Some of their guys have ridden the prototype and seemed as excited as me for the future of the sport. A longboard revolution is what the sport needs and will be what brings more punters back and new starters encouraged by the ability to sail in sub 10 knot breezes, on cheap but reliable equipment where they can enjoy a warm sunny days sailing rather than being sand blasted, cold and miserable after being blown away and needing rescue after their first tentative steps into the sport.
Today was Such a beautiful day so grabbed a quick swim at Collaroy Beach and a chat with the boys at Wind Surf N snow on Anzac Parade. Sam was happy for me and relayed positive comments from prototype testers so more positive reinforcement!
Dave from Lake Mac also picked up a board today so watch out around the Swansea area with two new Windsurfers on the water.
Arrived back at Lake Macquarie to see not a puff of wind. How cruel is that, a new board sail and a dead calm.
Just as well as it took quite a while to unpack it. Very well wrapped in cardboard and bubble wrap then a layer of plastic.
Behold! It is a thing of beauty. I really must get this thing on the water. Better take a few more photos...
Had a good look over the board for blemishes or faults, nothing found! It really looks schmick and better in person. Such a high gloss finish on the deck (for and aft and rails) and a fantastic looking non slip deck which with absorb some of the inevitable punishment my heavyweight feet will dish out.
After getting organised and finding that my board bag from my Superlight fits the new Wally LT - my fears of damaging this beauty have been allayed. I have the new custom bag ordered for a June Delivery.
Reloaded the board on the ute, grabbed my old one design mast (new two piece mast and old Prolimit Assault 160-220 boom etc on order) and gear and off the Swansea Channel. Still no wind and getting late. Decided to set up on Coon Island (nice grassy rigging area), had to let a few friends know about my score. Still no wind!
Decided to rig up the sail anyway to check it out, fading light but news of a southerly coming through was relayed via Johnsy at Windgenuity and Lyndon Bauer from Gosford Windsurfers Club.
As I was about to give up, I felt a few gusts from the South, 20knots at Norah Head! It's after sunset, I'm all rigged up, have taken photos, checked out seabreeze, bragged about having the first production LT (00001) and suffering from a severe lack of sailing over the past week.
Still trying to get over the disappointment of missing out on a ride of a Starboard Gemini Tandem last week - canned at the last minute due to another dead calm.
Ok so here goes, for Christ's sake Al, don't ding this board before you at least get it in the water! Watch those fence posts, couldn't deal with the heartbreak of tearing a virgin sail. I've tensioned up the sail expecting the wind to continue building, currently 5-10 knots with a few stronger gusts.
Tide is running in and in the same direction as wind, it's now dark, a bystander - After casually checking me out works up the courage to warn me of the risks of sailing in the dark, and he utters those ominous words: " I'm not going to read about you tomorrow am I?" Nah, no worries mate all good!
Immediately I took off with confidence, I'd changed my harness lines as last set I had were too short. They were now perfect and happy with my decision as I effortlessly slipped into the harness lines and cruising across the channel.
I decided to go out without booties to get a feel for the non slip. I wasn't disappointed. Great grip and it feels sturdy - I didn't feel a need for foot straps whilst sailing.
With the centreboard down most of the time, no issues with stubbing my toes on the centreboard, the fabric cover is only over the rear half of centreboard slot and perhaps I'd prefer to see it cover more but no issues with it and it works well for pushing down the centreboard.
The board and rig seem well matched and balanced, I was thinking maybe a little underpowered but my fault as I had tensioned up the down haul and outhaul pretty well expecting some 20knot gusts to kick in.
I thought I'd beat my way against the tide up towards the bridge to get a good feel.
As I neared the other side (near Little Pelican) I decided to see how it gybed- stepped back, leaned sail, foot on outside rail and around she went very quickly! Fantastic! This board is responsive and it didn't loose too much speed in the process.
I weigh close to 107kg and had the mast set in centre of track. No sign of the front end submarining when beating up wind (or on any point of sailing for that matter) however, I made a mental note to try it a little further back next time in lighter winds.
I did feel a little board flex transmission from front end flex when going against the tide and into small wind waves but nothing like the old original Wally.
In fact I have only ridden a one design (old Wally actually) a few times over the past few years as I've been sailing an old Mistral Superlight Competition which has a lot more volume than the Wally and easier for me. This new LT handles itself a lot like the Superlight but with a wider body and the twin conclaves up front vs the Superlight rounded bow it is easier to ride and still seems to get along quite well.
Tacking was a cinch with plenty of volume around the mast and very forgiving.
As the wind started filling in to a fairly constant 15 knots or so, the board started to really pick up and plane on all points! Planing whilst beating up wind, across the wind, broad reaching and even straight down wind. Fantastic! I haven't ridden a board so well composed when pointed straight down wind, the width definitely helps here. I found myself standing a little further back as it accelerated and that helped even more once planing.
I did some experimenting with the centreboard and it was quite happy with the board right down on all points and no worries with losing stability when going down wind or any point of sailing. I can envisage this board and rig will be at ease with the wind up around 20 - 25 knots.
Back to shore After reluctantly deciding an hour and a half is enough for the day (well night actually).
Unclipped the sail and gingerly carry to the grassy area, back for the board, so easy to carry at reported 15kg. I haven't weighed it yet but it seems about right and well balanced when carrying either by holding the centreboard knob or at front of centreboard well.
The centreboard is a very simple setup with just one pivot point fixed guide. Easy to put in and pull out, when sailing, pushing the centreboard down using the fabric cover made it easy to start the process with a light to medium lift using toe at the knob to continue the process.
I did notice that the centreboard retracted back just a little a few times when sailing (from the fully down position) and that this may have occurred when gybing or tacking- will pay a little closer attention when Day time sailing. It does kinda just fall in when installing it on dry land but seems fairly firm in retracted position to 3/4 down - no doubt due to the rubber lips below deck in well.
Anyway, hope this gives you an idea about how good this board is. A step in the right direction certainly and in my opinion a vast improvement to the one design and maybe even a distinct improvement to the Superlight!
A step in the right direction is a bit of an understatement in hindsight. The Cobra Website has a press release indicating that the board was designed by Bruce Whylie, a former Lake Macquarie World Champion Windsurfer, Mistral sailor, Sailworks co owner and current Production Manager at Cobra - manufacturer of probably 90% of all Sailboard and SUP brands INTERNATIONALLY. With the additional expertise, input and contributions from many skilled sailors and industry legends and feedback from prototype testing, I'm sure these guys have produced a good allrounder Windsurfer useful in a very wide range of conditions. The fact that this board also carries some Cobra branding shows they are proud of this product and one can assume they have incorporated the best possible balance between durability and weight minimization.
I think they have accomplished something special here!
Need more time on water and do a few swaps between other boards (Original Wally and Superlight using the same rig) for comparison.
My recommendation is however, do yourself a favor and order one this week!
Cheers, Al Haynes. Current rides: WINDSURFER LT - 229L Original Windsurfer - 200L -good for freestyle moves now perhaps? Mistral Competition Club -258L Mistral Competition Superlight x 2 - 258L (1 has to go!) F2 Lightning - 250L Starboard GO 170 - 170L BIC TECHNO 283 - 152L
Former Windsurfing Instructor early 80's Former shortboard 100L backyard manufacturer and surf sailer early 80's Former Wally surf sailer and wave jumper back in the day when there wasn't anything else!


Old and the new! The new Superlight!


Great to see that logo on a new board again!



About to go sailing after sunset
New sail to match. Stoked!


Out of the box - fantastic finish.



Can't wipe that smile off my face, and that's BEFORE I took it out for a sail! GRINNING FROM EAR TO EAR NOW!!!


The daggerboard - simple but very functional




Power box fin


12' tall!




Well wrapped



No. 1. Proudly made by Cobra


Great survey Al. Happy somebody scored that southerly the previous evening. In the event that you convey it over to Marmong on Saturday youre welcome to perceive how it goes on a race course.

WallyWally
18 posts
17 Oct 2018 9:28PM
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2019 Nationals Notice of Race and Online entry went online today.
www.windsurferclassaus.com/national-championships.html

Lots of info and details in this class update: us17.campaign-archive.com/?u=25aa8f4b5fd3655eaaa1b4d3c&id=9ec6986450&e=bfa6e3f44c

Heaps of activity on the LT all round the country - fleets popping up everywhere. Parkdale in Vic had 22 racing last weekend !

Chris 249
NSW, 3350 posts
18 Oct 2018 12:20PM
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Anyone interested in a LT/One Design event at Harwood on the Clarence River in northern NSW on November 17 and 18? We could join in with the Bridge to Breakers, a 12 mile (approx) marathon on the Saturday followed by three short races on the Sunday. I can bring a One Design if anyone wants to borrow one.

polyfarlino
10 posts
19 Oct 2018 12:46AM
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polyfarlino said..

albymongrel said..
THE ALL NEW WINDSURFER LT - AN INITIAL REVIEW AND FIRST IMPRESSIONS BY JUST AN AVERAGE WINDSURFER - not a champion, not a novice, just a lover of this sport of windsurfing who is just as happy cruising round in 5 knots as I am at 20 knots as long as I'm getting out there!
Hey Windsurfers,
I picked up my new Windsurfer LT today from Windgenuity along with a new blue sail (my old one design sail is a little crinkly and starting to de laminate - I figured I should show off this terrific new windsurfer in the best possible light!
The guys at Windgenuity we also wrapped about this board and very helpful. Had a quick peek inside the box but decided I had better get it home before unwrapping. Some of their guys have ridden the prototype and seemed as excited as me for the future of the sport. A longboard revolution is what the sport needs and will be what brings more punters back and new starters encouraged by the ability to sail in sub 10 knot breezes, on cheap but reliable equipment where they can enjoy a warm sunny days sailing rather than being sand blasted, cold and miserable after being blown away and needing rescue after their first tentative steps into the sport.
Today was Such a beautiful day so grabbed a quick swim at Collaroy Beach and a chat with the boys at Wind Surf N snow on Anzac Parade. Sam was happy for me and relayed positive comments from prototype testers so more positive reinforcement!
Dave from Lake Mac also picked up a board today so watch out around the Swansea area with two new Windsurfers on the water.
Arrived back at Lake Macquarie to see not a puff of wind. How cruel is that, a new board sail and a dead calm.
Just as well as it took quite a while to unpack it. Very well wrapped in cardboard and bubble wrap then a layer of plastic.
Behold! It is a thing of beauty. I really must get this thing on the water. Better take a few more photos...
Had a good look over the board for blemishes or faults, nothing found! It really looks schmick and better in person. Such a high gloss finish on the deck (for and aft and rails) and a fantastic looking non slip deck which with absorb some of the inevitable punishment my heavyweight feet will dish out.
After getting organised and finding that my board bag from my Superlight fits the new Wally LT - my fears of damaging this beauty have been allayed. I have the new custom bag ordered for a June Delivery.
Reloaded the board on the ute, grabbed my old one design mast (new two piece mast and old Prolimit Assault 160-220 boom etc on order) and gear and off the Swansea Channel. Still no wind and getting late. Decided to set up on Coon Island (nice grassy rigging area), had to let a few friends know about my score. Still no wind!
Decided to rig up the sail anyway to check it out, fading light but news of a southerly coming through was relayed via Johnsy at Windgenuity and Lyndon Bauer from Gosford Windsurfers Club.
As I was about to give up, I felt a few gusts from the South, 20knots at Norah Head! It's after sunset, I'm all rigged up, have taken photos, checked out seabreeze, bragged about having the first production LT (00001) and suffering from a severe lack of sailing over the past week.
Still trying to get over the disappointment of missing out on a ride of a Starboard Gemini Tandem last week - canned at the last minute due to another dead calm.
Ok so here goes, for Christ's sake Al, don't ding this board before you at least get it in the water! Watch those fence posts, couldn't deal with the heartbreak of tearing a virgin sail. I've tensioned up the sail expecting the wind to continue building, currently 5-10 knots with a few stronger gusts.
Tide is running in and in the same direction as wind, it's now dark, a bystander - After casually checking me out works up the courage to warn me of the risks of sailing in the dark, and he utters those ominous words: " I'm not going to read about you tomorrow am I?" Nah, no worries mate all good!
Immediately I took off with confidence, I'd changed my harness lines as last set I had were too short. They were now perfect and happy with my decision as I effortlessly slipped into the harness lines and cruising across the channel.
I decided to go out without booties to get a feel for the non slip. I wasn't disappointed. Great grip and it feels sturdy - I didn't feel a need for foot straps whilst sailing.
With the centreboard down most of the time, no issues with stubbing my toes on the centreboard, the fabric cover is only over the rear half of centreboard slot and perhaps I'd prefer to see it cover more but no issues with it and it works well for pushing down the centreboard.
The board and rig seem well matched and balanced, I was thinking maybe a little underpowered but my fault as I had tensioned up the down haul and outhaul pretty well expecting some 20knot gusts to kick in.
I thought I'd beat my way against the tide up towards the bridge to get a good feel.
As I neared the other side (near Little Pelican) I decided to see how it gybed- stepped back, leaned sail, foot on outside rail and around she went very quickly! Fantastic! This board is responsive and it didn't loose too much speed in the process.
I weigh close to 107kg and had the mast set in centre of track. No sign of the front end submarining when beating up wind (or on any point of sailing for that matter) however, I made a mental note to try it a little further back next time in lighter winds.
I did feel a little board flex transmission from front end flex when going against the tide and into small wind waves but nothing like the old original Wally.
In fact I have only ridden a one design (old Wally actually) a few times over the past few years as I've been sailing an old Mistral Superlight Competition which has a lot more volume than the Wally and easier for me. This new LT handles itself a lot like the Superlight but with a wider body and the twin conclaves up front vs the Superlight rounded bow it is easier to ride and still seems to get along quite well.
Tacking was a cinch with plenty of volume around the mast and very forgiving.
As the wind started filling in to a fairly constant 15 knots or so, the board started to really pick up and plane on all points! Planing whilst beating up wind, across the wind, broad reaching and even straight down wind. Fantastic! I haven't ridden a board so well composed when pointed straight down wind, the width definitely helps here. I found myself standing a little further back as it accelerated and that helped even more once planing.
I did some experimenting with the centreboard and it was quite happy with the board right down on all points and no worries with losing stability when going down wind or any point of sailing. I can envisage this board and rig will be at ease with the wind up around 20 - 25 knots.
Back to shore After reluctantly deciding an hour and a half is enough for the day (well night actually).
Unclipped the sail and gingerly carry to the grassy area, back for the board, so easy to carry at reported 15kg. I haven't weighed it yet but it seems about right and well balanced when carrying either by holding the centreboard knob or at front of centreboard well.
The centreboard is a very simple setup with just one pivot point fixed guide. Easy to put in and pull out, when sailing, pushing the centreboard down using the fabric cover made it easy to start the process with a light to medium lift using toe at the knob to continue the process.
I did notice that the centreboard retracted back just a little a few times when sailing (from the fully down position) and that this may have occurred when gybing or tacking- will pay a little closer attention when Day time sailing. It does kinda just fall in when installing it on dry land but seems fairly firm in retracted position to 3/4 down - no doubt due to the rubber lips below deck in well.
Anyway, hope this gives you an idea about how good this board is. A step in the right direction certainly and in my opinion a vast improvement to the one design and maybe even a distinct improvement to the Superlight!
A step in the right direction is a bit of an understatement in hindsight. The Cobra Website has a press release indicating that the board was designed by Bruce Whylie, a former Lake Macquarie World Champion Windsurfer, Mistral sailor, Sailworks co owner and current Production Manager at Cobra - manufacturer of probably 90% of all Sailboard and SUP brands INTERNATIONALLY. With the additional expertise, input and contributions from many skilled sailors and industry legends and feedback from prototype testing, I'm sure these guys have produced a good allrounder Windsurfer useful in a very wide range of conditions. The fact that this board also carries some Cobra branding shows they are proud of this product and one can assume they have incorporated the best possible balance between durability and weight minimization.
I think they have accomplished something special here!
Need more time on water and do a few swaps between other boards (Original Wally and Superlight using the same rig) for comparison.
My recommendation is however, do yourself a favor and order one this week!
Cheers, Al Haynes. Current rides: WINDSURFER LT - 229L Original Windsurfer - 200L -good for freestyle moves now perhaps? Mistral Competition Club -258L Mistral Competition Superlight x 2 - 258L (1 has to go!) F2 Lightning - 250L Starboard GO 170 - 170L BIC TECHNO 283 - 152L
Former Windsurfing Instructor early 80's Former shortboard 100L backyard manufacturer and surf sailer early 80's Former Wally surf sailer and wave jumper back in the day when there wasn't anything else!


Old and the new! The new Superlight!


Great to see that logo on a new board again!



About to go sailing after sunset
New sail to match. Stoked!


Out of the box - fantastic finish.



Can't wipe that smile off my face, and that's BEFORE I took it out for a sail! GRINNING FROM EAR TO EAR NOW!!!


The daggerboard - simple but very functional




Power box fin


12' tall! fetlife.vip/ www.oovoo.com/imvu/ downloader.vip/canva/




Well wrapped



No. 1. Proudly made by Cobra



Great survey Al. Happy somebody scored that southerly the previous evening. In the event that you convey it over to Marmong on Saturday youre welcome to perceive how it goes on a race course.


In the event that you convey it over to Marmong on Saturday youre welcome to perceive how it goes on a race course.



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